24 or 28, That is the Question
Old 09-24-2018   #1
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24 or 28, That is the Question

I have my M262 + Voigtlander 35/1.2. I would like my next acquisition to be a used wider lens. I am thinking the 28 is too close to 35 and would like to find a 24. I think I have read that the 24 is useable without a separate viewfinder and that the limits of the 262's viewfinder just about coincides with the 24 field of view. Do any of you use a 24 this way? An auxiliary viewfinder would entail removing my Thumbs Up each time I used it and I'm too lazy for that.
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Old 09-24-2018   #2
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JMO but the need for an external viewfinder can depend on what you're shooting and your style of shooting. Myself I shoot a lot of landscapes with a 21mm on my M9 by guestimting (SP) using the 28mm frame lines, since I'm not in a hurry and can shoot several frames to get what I want this work for me, but may not work for others.
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Old 09-24-2018   #3
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On my M240, I use the Zeiss 25mm withot a finder and it works fine. The viewfinder seems to approximate the FOV quite nicely.
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Old 09-24-2018   #4
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The 28mm is too close to my 35mm for my taste and shooting style.
I use a 24mm with my 35mm on my SLR.
I use a 21mm with my 35mm on my Leica rangefinders.
The 21mm and the 24mm focal lengths both work well with my 35mm lens.
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Old 09-24-2018   #5
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I skipped the 24, and went with the 21 because I have a 28, and prefer it to a 35. I use an external finder since the 28 frame lines are pretty much at the edge of the M4-P viewfinder anyway, and the other camera (CL) doesn't have that big of a finder in the first place. But if the M262 has a larger viewfinder, then a 24 would make more sense for you.


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Old 09-24-2018   #6
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For me, 28 is a really dull betwixt-and-between lens: neither "standard" like a 35 nor decently wide like a 24 (though I actually prefer 21). But it's intensely personal.

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Old 09-24-2018   #7
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24 is first usable wide for me, but would also prefer even wider like 20ish.
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Old 09-24-2018   #8
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For me a 28 is way to close to a 35. But as you said, removing the Thumbs-Up is, well, a pain in the thumb. Frankly I think you have crossed the boundary one camera and should look into a mirror-less body like the Fuji XE-3 and go with something REALLY wide and just leave it on there. Sticking an ultrawide body and manual lens in a case is a lot quicker than switching out the 35 to say a 21.

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Old 09-24-2018   #9
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Given the choice, I would take a 24mm over a 28mm since I've always loved the 24mm view. In reality, I don't currently own anything with a 24mm FOV.

I don't consider 28mm and 35mm close at all. The 35mm is a normal for me, just slightly wider than 50mm. The 28mm gets you into the "wide" category without much perspective distortion. I prefer the 24mm but you have to be careful with how you use it.

My range of wide angles today (in 35mm equivalents since I use Fuji APS-C) are 21mm, 28mm and 35mm. I used the same range when I used Leicas.
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Old 09-24-2018   #10
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I never liked the 28mm focal length on FF, but got friendly with it using an M4-2 and the Voigtländer Color-Skopar 28mm f/3.5. Such a nice little lens and so small... 28mm also works particularly well as a 'wide normal' on the CL's APS-C format.

For FF, I prefer 35/50/21/75, in that order.

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Old 09-24-2018   #11
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I am thinking the 28 is too close to 35
One option is to get rid of the 35 \(ツ)/

As Roger wrote the 28 can loose some luster if you like shooting wider... a 21mm is looking good... it's all such a personal choice.

My film rangefinder combination (MP) is 28mm f/2.8 Elmarit-M ASPH, 50mm f/1.4 Summilux-M ASPH, and the CV15 f/4.5
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Old 09-24-2018   #12
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On my M240, I use the Zeiss 25mm withot a finder and it works fine. The viewfinder seems to approximate the FOV quite nicely.
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Old 09-24-2018   #13
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I you like the 35 FL and want a bit more around the edge, I would skip over the 28 and go with the 24/25 FL. You can always crop a little if you want less.

Although you can look around the edges in the RF for an approximation up to the 24 FL, if you wear glasses forget about it! Personally, I use accessory finders for framing on everything 28 and wider (I find WA shooting more pleasant that way).

I particularly like wide-angle lenses, so I have to admit I'm a bit biased. I've never liked the 28 FL - it's either too long or too short for my taste.
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Old 09-24-2018   #14
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BTW - I've owned many of the Leica and Zeiss offerings both long and wide and I can highly recommend the Zeiss 25mm Biogon f/2.8 ZM. It's every bit as good as the, now discontinued, Leica 24mm Asph Elmarit-M.
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Old 09-24-2018   #15
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The 28mm lens is boring to me.
The 21mm lens will look much more distorted than a comparable 24mm lens will. The 24mm lens can be used a wide normal lens but he 21mm lens is a very wide lens.
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Old 09-24-2018   #16
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I couldn't get used to 24 even with viewfinder. I could do 21 without viewfinder, basically it is the same I see not-blurred.
21-35-50. But 28 is not 35.
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Old 09-24-2018   #17
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I have numerous wides including 12, 15, 21, 25 and 28. My most used 'travel wide' is the Zeiss 21/2.8, as it captures lots of context and aids with memory.

I love the Zeiss 25/2.8 and yes, it is just usable within the borders of the M9 and M7.

28 is my everyday rock and roll lens, along with a 50. Both the Zeiss and Leica 28/2.8's are excellent, and I prefer the handling of the Zeiss because it gives a better grip on the focus ring. The 25 and 21 are progressively larger than the 28, and this may or may not affect the way you like the handling of the camera.
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Old 09-24-2018   #18
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I feel more comfortable with a 35, but tend to like the images from a 28 a little better sometimes if I want a more dynamic photo, or for a landscape situation. 35 feels very normal to me and forces me to compose a decent image (I try anyway) without the gimmicky feel of an ultra wide. So, 28 for me over the 21.
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Old 09-24-2018   #19
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A strong influence is your anchor or pivot...what is your "normal" lens?
50mm?
35mm?
Something else???
I favor the 50 above all other lenses and do not care for nor do I own a 35.
Given that, I find the 28 a nice, big, wide angle jump from "my normal."


If forced to limit myself to only two lenses (shudder) they would be 50 and 28.



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50/90 has always been my favoured combination and I have a 28 and 21 for wide.
Of the two wides I tend to favour 28 after many years shooting with the GR series of cameras.
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24 makes sense but good ones cost a fortune. Other than that it's very much a personal matter.


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Old 09-25-2018   #22
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I'd sell the 35 and get the 28 (which I did btw).
I don't see much love for 28 while it is the only "normal" wide for the M.
It's wide enough for me and the M6 has the proper frame lines.
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I naturally see at 35mm on FF but i have been shooting a lot with my 24 2.8 Elmarit lately and I have been really liking the wider FoV.
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The 28mm is too close to my 35mm for my taste and shooting style.
I use a 24mm with my 35mm on my SLR.
I use a 21mm with my 35mm on my Leica rangefinders.
The 21mm and the 24mm focal lengths both work well with my 35mm lens.
I'm on the same page: I have 24mm and 35mm (again talking SLR - Nikon F2) Nikkors and I find the range offered just about perfect. For my rangefinders, I work primarily with a 35mm and find it works well there, too.
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You won't know until you try both. User experience is non-transferable.
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You won't know until you try both. User experience is non-transferable.
Agree, this is the key. What works for me may or probably wont work for someone else.
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I have my M262 + Voigtlander 35/1.2. I would like my next acquisition to be a used wider lens. I am thinking the 28 is too close to 35 and would like to find a 24. I think I have read that the 24 is useable without a separate viewfinder and that the limits of the 262's viewfinder just about coincides with the 24 field of view. Do any of you use a 24 this way? An auxiliary viewfinder would entail removing my Thumbs Up each time I used it and I'm too lazy for that.
I have a Zeiss 25mm 2.8 and a Leica 28mm 2.8 I can take samples of for you if you are interested. I use the 25mm without a viewfinder and it's usable.
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To answer one of the OP's original questions, I do not find it difficult to shoot my 24mm without an accessory finder, as long as I am using an M6 with the .58 finder magnification. I'm comfortable enough with the 24mm FOV that I can just estimate the additional coverage around the edges, and get it right.

And I think you will have more fun with the 24mm than with the 28mm. The 24 lies at the threshold of "extreme wide angle" more so than the 28mm.
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I have a Zeiss 25mm 2.8 and a Leica 28mm 2.8 I can take samples of for you if you are interested. I use the 25mm without a viewfinder and it's usable.
Thanks, but I don't need samples (unless you want to, of course). The fact that you use the 25mm without an auxiliary viewfinder is plenty helpful.
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And I think you will have more fun with the 24mm than with the 28mm. The 24 lies at the threshold of "extreme wide angle" more so than the 28mm.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree.
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Ten years ago my go-to wide was 28 and then I discovered 24 and can't get back to 28 much at all.
My desire would be to get a Zeiss 25mm for the M2 but haven't found a used one yet that was worth
the asking price. I think if I had the 25 I would be happy with it.
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Naturally we’re all offering you our subjective opinions. I too greatly enjoy 35mm but that enjoyment for me is somewhat conditional. I like it to be my only lens, or part of a triad, with 21 and 50mm on either end. I recently sold my 35 because it seemed to be restricting me in a way I wasn’t liking but that’s probably because at my core I am a 28/50 shooter. That will likely forever be my two lens combo and it’s what I’ve gone back to. 28 allows me to get close and include plenty of context (21mm even more so) and 50mm allows me to single out a subject and focus on the details.

I still admire 35mm lenses and I’m not done with them, I’m just taking a break .

In your particular situation, if you are indeed keeping the 35 around then I would echo what others have said and explore a 21mm option, if you prefer a wider view of life those two focal lengths can work quite well together.
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