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Old 08-22-2018   #121
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IBIS for medium format would be a delight after all of those slow-ish lenses and comparatively noisy-ish sensors.

It's also important for video, which a lot of people hope this mirrorless camera will be good at.
It has IBIS. 5 axis and claims 5 stops of benefit.

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Old 08-22-2018   #122
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I am trying to watch the announcement streaming on the Nikon site right now, but it won’t load. There is a Nikon yellow banner at the bottom of the page saying it won’t be viewable “on certain devices or browsers”. Mine is an iPad with Safari, didn’t think that would be too unusual. Not sure if problem is the device, or their server is overloaded. Looks interesting, but I guess I won’t be watching it.
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Old 08-22-2018   #124
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Lots of information in the presentation.

Upcoming lens roadmap attached. FTZ adapter claimed to be compatible with about 360 lenses. From briefly showing the adapter it doesn't look like it will AF with screw drive lenses.

Z7 end of September. 440,000 yen (including tax) ($4000ish)
Z6 end of November. 270,000 yen. (including tax) ($2400ish)
24-70 f4s end of Sept. 136,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($1230ish)
35 1.8 end of Sept. 114,000 (excluding tax) ($1028ish)
50mm 1.8 s end of October 83,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($753ish)
FTZ adapter end of Sept. 36,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($329ish)
(Based on Japanese market)


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Old 08-22-2018   #125
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Just finished watching the presentation. From what I saw of the examples, it should work out okay. Now lets see if Nikon can deliver the product without a slew of bugs.


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Old 08-22-2018   #126
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Nice new cameras, my initial impression is positive. This will be first mirrorless system that doesn’t have smaller apsc sibling. Will be also interesting how dslr market will behave from now on. Dpr is suspiciously slow to respond, lot of curious eyes peering the specs
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Lots of information in the presentation.

Upcoming lens roadmap attached. FTZ adapter claimed to be compatible with about 360 lenses. From briefly showing the adapter it doesn't look like it will AF with screw drive lenses.

Z7 end of September. 440,000 yen (including tax) ($4000ish)
Z6 end of November. 270,000 yen. (including tax) ($2400ish)
24-70 f4s end of Sept. 136,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($1230ish)
35 1.8 end of Sept. 114,000 (excluding tax) ($1028ish)
50mm 1.8 s end of October 83,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($753ish)
FTZ adapter end of Sept. 36,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($329ish)
(Based on Japanese market)


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B&H has preorder open now:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/i...40142/cat.html

Not unreasonable I say.
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Old 08-23-2018   #128
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The 58mm noct looks very cool. Until you see it mounted on the camera and realise it's so big it needs a tripod collar.
I'm sure it will be optically superb though.


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So, who here has preordered?
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B&H has preorder open now:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/i...40142/cat.html

Not unreasonable I say.
I agree, Nikon is being smart and offering the FTZ bundled with the camera for only $150 more.

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Old 08-23-2018   #131
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I have read the reports on the new Z6 and Z7 and am disappointed. After learning that two of the initial lens offerings were going to be 35mm f/1.8 and 50mm f/1.8 primes, I was hoping that Nikon would offer a reasonably compact system. Instead, the new Z-mount primes appear to be even larger than the already bulky AF-S lenses. I'm really not interested in yet another Nikon crew-served camera.
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]And the size of those prime lenses!

The announcement really makes me appreciate Fuji and its recent small lens designs. I know the sensor size makes a difference, but still...
They do seem very large.

Larger image circle needed for IBIS? Or if Nikon really is thinking about a larger sensor down the line perhaps these lenses are already built for that? (Would be brilliant if that is the strategy)

Or maybe they are just big.

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Jeepers, that Noct Nikkor looks like an nuclear plant. I'm all for good lenses, but that thing is nuts for a 58mm prime.
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They do seem very large.

Larger image circle needed for IBIS? Or if Nikon really is thinking about a larger sensor down the line perhaps these lenses are already built for that? (Would be brilliant if that is the strategy)

Or maybe they are just big.

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I hope you're right. Faster than f2 mediumish format would be a game changer. Otherwise, the lenses are just awkward for no good reason.
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They do seem very large.
I did the exact same comparison but with the xt2 body. Also interesting is the Fuji 23mm f1.4 against the nikkor-s 35mm f1.8. Looks around 2/3rds the size using that websites comparison.
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First camera to get me excited since Fuji announced the x line. I don't usually care for EVFs, but I'd be interested in taking this one for a spin and see if I can finally get a digital body for my F lenses after being underwhelmed by the Df.
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These prime lenses again have very complex designs. The 50/1.8 has "12 elements in 9 groups including 2 aspherical elements and 2 ED glass elements". FF lenses intended to fill the demand of the resolution and correction hungry 40+ MP sensors would never be small. Otherwise...

You can always pay $7,995 for the APO-Summicron 50/2.

Still, we do need something smaller and simpler! Not every camera in the system would have the 45.7 MP sensor. Seriously would like to see more simple and high performance design like the CV Ultron 40/2.
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Dpreview has an initial impressions write up.
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After shooting my m6 or Xpro2 as daily carry cameras, I simply cannot imagine using a camera that large for anything other than landscape work. Portability and ergonomics have superseded pretty much all else in my photography.
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it will be more than interesting
to see M mount lenses adapted to the new Nikons
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Old 08-23-2018   #141
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it will be more than interesting
to see M mount lenses adapted to the new Nikons
M lenses seem to be a mixed bag on the Sony mirrorless cameras. There is no reason to think the new Nikon sensor will be any more compatible with the demands of M lenses.
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I wonder how easy it would be to adapt lenses to the nikon. No one seems to be talking about that. I don't mind the camera size. I think the size is perfect
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So, who here has preordered?
Nobody?

Glad to see that forum members are upholding our reputation for being both timid and parsimonious.
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they only have one xqd card slot.

bad decision, nikon.
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I have high hopes that the menu system will best Sony's by a long way, and with significantly better battery life too. I'll get one, eventually. I've never bought anything close enough to launch to be a pre-order. Its not like I don't already have several DSLRs anyway.
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Glad to see that a wide angle zoom is on the table for next year.
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Old 08-23-2018   #148
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No AA filter..could be nice...weather proofing ...nice..
Bad battery life..no dual card slot..not nice..
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I see the 24mp version as being an alternative to carrying my D850 and 24-70.

Weight saving on body is about 8 oz, and 16 oz on lens = 1.5 lb weight savings, and about 1 inch smaller body and smaller lens. (however with adapter and earlier lenses one gives up much of these benefits)

This would also be good for a backup on a shooting assignment - you would then have a body and a lens backup.

And of course it would be good for when you need to shoot with two cameras. I would then pair up body with 70-200 maybe and have body and lens stabilization for low light shots.

As for pre-ordering - I'm lucky to have NPS - so I can wait till I really need it & also so see what the early users think.

A new system like this requires a lot of things going perfectly.

I like the general look of the camera and features. I agree that IMHO there should also be an SD slot. Actually, I'd rather have 2 SD slots.
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Bad battery life...

Do we really know that at this early date? Sony has pretty poor battery life (in my experience) and almost anything could be an improvement.
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Oh, and the focus sensors covering 90 percent of image area is much better than their DSLR line-up.
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I was initially excited about the A7 cameras when they came out but then I saw that there were some issues using adapted Nikkors so that excitement wore off quickly. This sort of thing has me wary of these new Nikons.

One other point...this is not the digital F or F2 that I have always dreamed about. So Im thinking a few years down the road, when they fall to a price comparable to what used and new A7 go for now, then I might get on board. Out of the gate...no. Maybe if it had dials like a Df...
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These look good to me.

And surely these cameras, with top Nikon lenses, and a 24mp body at these prices are a death sentence for the Leica SL?
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And surely these cameras, with top Nikon lenses, and a 24mp body at these prices are a death sentence for the Leica SL?
I doubt it.
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These look good to me.

And surely these cameras, with top Nikon lenses, and a 24mp body at these prices are a death sentence for the Leica SL?
Personally, I don't think so. Personally. The user interface on the Leica SL is so vastly different from the Sonys and these new Nikons that those who like the SL's approach are not likely to gravitate to the Nikons. All three of the systems are waaaaay past the standard of sufficiency, and for a lot of people it will come down to usability more than sensor specs. I went from Nikon to Sony mirrorless A7 gen 1 and gen 2, because I got tired of waiting for Nikon to do a professional level mirrorless. After using the SL, I sold the Sony's immediately and would never go back to the way the Sony's operate, even though the files are nice.

Still, I was looking forward to the Nikon announcement, and I wish them well, but they are laid out too much like the Sonys for me and seem more like Sony competitors than direct competition to the SL. Specs are great, I get that, but it's just not enough for me. Personally.

I was ready and would have placed a preorder for one of the Nikons this morning if I had thought it would have served my needs and wants more than the SL, but it just looked too much like a better Sony, and not a better SL, to me.

The Leica is sort of in a different market, it seems. I doubt those people, most of them, are going to jump at this.

But, who knows.
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The announcement really makes me appreciate Fuji and its recent small lens designs. I know the sensor size makes a difference, but still...
Those massive Fujis really make me appreciate my M43 Oly EM10Mk2 with it's tiny prime lenses.

I know the sensor size makes a difference, but still..

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Nobody?

Glad to see that forum members are upholding our reputation for being both timid and parsimonious.
I need to try one out in person as other EVFs make me nauseous.
Not gonna drop $4K on a camera that may make me barf.
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Glad to see that forum members are upholding our reputation for being both timid and parsimonious.
I have pre-ordered the Z6 and the FTZ adapter, did it within a few minutes of the announcement.

Basically I am looking for a better tool to fill a specific need of having a quieter mechanical shutter and can play really well with my Nikon system. I was never interested in the Sony offerings because I knew Nikon would and has made a high priority out of system integration.

The camera I was looking to update was the D750 and I feel the new Z6 will will do that fairly well.
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Olympus makes a tiny RF shaped mirrorless body, the digital Pen-F. They also make some tiny prime lenses for it, as does Panasonic. The Pen-F is a Micro Four Thirds camera.

I have been shooting with a Pen-F for several months now and I love it. The PanaLeica 15mm f1.7 (30mm), the Olympus 25mm f1.8 (50mm), and the Olympus 45mm f1.8 (90mm) are incredibly sharp and inexpensive lenses.
I love my Olympus Pen F. I really like the RF form factor and handling. The Olympus 17/1.8 is a lovely lens that takes advantage of the Pen F's incredibly fast AF. I've also used the Pen F with the Panasonic 20/1.7. These camera/lens combinations cured me of any regrets at selling my Fuji X100T. But I agree with JRocket's general point about mirrorless cameras becoming less RF-like and more like mini-SLRs: not interested.
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This guy says it all: "I really excited about this announcement. I don't know why I am really excited about this because I don't like mirrorless cameras but it probably is because it is Nikon and I really love Nikon."

This is the mechanism by which mirrorless becomes the new norm.

I have a Pen-F too. I don't see myself getting another digital camera in the foreseeable future.
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