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The M7 which I bought preowned because I couldn't afford a new one was my first Leica.
The X1 was my first digital camera and the only digital for many years.
Maybe this is why I love them both without thinking too much about their age and inevitable glitches...but as nobody is perfect no camera is

And the M10? So similar in use to the M7 but we are still knowing each other!

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The M7 which I bought preowned because I couldn't afford a new one was my first Leica.
The X1 was my first digital camera and the only one for many years.
Maybe this is why I love them both without thinking too much about their age and inevitable glitches...but as nobody is perfect no camera is

And the M10? So similar in use to the M7 but we are still knowing each other!

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On value...today a-la-carte M7's go for anywhere in between 4,300 and 5,000.
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Shoot my M7 bodies quite a bit still. They’ve had their minor to major glitches, but are all quite stable now. I don’t see myself needing another M film body anytime, so the discontinuation shouldn’t effect me, unless I have the cameras stolen and need to replace them.

The M7 was my first M as well, second hand with the 50/2.0 in that kit.
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Been using my M7 for about 8-10 years, no issues. still have the old dx reader too..
advance is grinding a bit, might send it out now, see how much I get robbed for..
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Thanks.
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I didn´t like the M7 very much because of its electronic shutter.
In my photography there is no advantage from a automatic shutter even when all my actual cams can do that now.

I think the M7 was a special M for special needs and so it was right. There will be enough used (or unused..) items in the world for
supplying M7-Photographers several years.
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Been using my M7 for about 8-10 years, no issues. still have the old dx reader too..
advance is grinding a bit, might send it out now, see how much I get robbed for..
Does it have to go back to Leica for repair, or can DAG et al work on the mechanical aspects of the M7?
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I have not reached out to anyone yet. But from what I’ve heard, even mechanical things, no one wants to touch them.
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As they are pointing out, there are plenty available. I'm happy with my M7 as well!

desk view by István Pénzes, on Flickr

It is a bit strange, that the website of Leica is not adjusted accordingly.
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@ István: what a beauty! Both!
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It is a bit strange, that the website of Leica is not adjusted accordingly.
Agreed. Maybe I can order an a la carte after all...
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The M7's AE allows intermediate shutter speeds (e.g. 1/45s) - something unique to the M. It made a difference exposure wise with Kodachrome, but the decline of slide films has reduced the value of that feature. Still, it's great to be able to use 1/45 instead of 1/30 when shooting candids.
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The M7 has by far the most accurate shutter out of any of the film Ms. 1/1000 sec is pretty much that. The mechanical ones actually are closer to 1/700 sec.
For that reason, plus the awesome metering (I find it much more accurate than the 3D matrix on my Nikon F6), it is the most accurate film imaging tool that Leica has ever made.

On a side note, I'm always amused by people complaining that it needs batteries. Why not complain that film cameras need film? Cuz what will you ever do if you reach the end of your film? Oh yeah, put in another roll that you brought along with you. And yet they cannot comprehend that you can also do that with a set of batteries, that are much much smaller than one roll of film, and will last through dozens of rolls of film.
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On a side note, I'm always amused by people complaining that it needs batteries.
I was wondering that too. Or maybe I was assuming the need for batteries was what scared people away from the electronic shutter (or maybe people don't like the sound of the electronic shutter?).

Is the M7 a big battery hog? I'd always regarded most cameras I've used to be pretty stingy on batteries; that is, until I got my Sony mirrorless. That thing takes nice pictures but it sure goes through batteries quick. Crazy.
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Is the M7 a big battery hog?
I don't think so and you can always shoot at 1/60 and 1/125 without batteries. It's such a great camera, very sad to hear it's gone.
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In reality, the M7 is not gone. It will become, in time, more affordable like the early M bodies that few could afford when they were new. Sadly, it is a first-world problem, isn't it? Not many people use an M body professionally to make a living and not many people can actually afford an M7 new. It is astounding to see the most recent prices of an M7 at B&H Photo, approximately half of the yearly income of Social Security benefits for many recipients here in the US.

And the cost of a new (last month!) M7 approaches a yearly rent for many people in the world and here in the US. The other Leica offerings like the SL and M digital bodies are even more and then there are the other costs, like lenses... etc. at the end of the day, it will be awhile before all of these expensive luxury cameras depreciate to a level where more and more people will buy them at a fraction of their present day cost and experience the joy of Leica.

So, no, I do not grieve for the discontinuance of the wonderful picture-taking machine, the M7. It will become popular in its own right with generations to come. For now, we should all just shoot more and talk less (Lol!!!). Easy enough unless one is house-bound most of the time but I do manage and go into withdrawal in between flurries of photo activities! But downtime is good for daydreaming about an M7. An a la carte MP. A new car. A vacation. Happy times. The list goes on...

Long live the M7!
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The M7's AE allows intermediate shutter speeds (e.g. 1/45s) - something unique to the M.

And, the Leicaflex SL/SL2
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The M5 allows intermediate times too; like the M7 the M5 is mainly a tool for making color slides. Will do a good job for B+W too.


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Intermediate shutter speeds are important to me. This is good information! Thanks!
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The M5 allows intermediate times too; like the M7 the M5 is mainly a tool for making color slides. Will do a good job for B+W too.


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The M7 is really battery and circuit dependent.
No circuit, no camera.
My M6TTL now at similar risk as regards meter and flash..
The bigger problem is these days as "older" service folk retire and or pass on, there are almost no new hands and eyes.
I am retired Master watchmaker and this problem was apparent 20 years ago.
Average age of watchmakers close to 70 years old.
Leica need service and adjustments.
I liked the M7 but strangely SLR with same features were HATED!
My Asahi Pentax Mv-1, Canon AV-1, Nikon EM.
Yes they cost a fraction but work exactly same bar the viewfinder.
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Intermediate shutter speeds are important to me. This is good information! Thanks!

You are welcome. An advantage of the M5 over the M7 are the far more precise framelines.


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Dave says "shoot more and talk less (Lol!!!)"...

...in a few minutes I'll go out to a farm to buy a few eggs for dinner and I'll shoot a few frames...maybe with the M7...maybe with the Holga...

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The bigger problem is these days as "older" service folk retire and or pass on, there are almost no new hands and eyes....

People always claim this, and yet I know first hand that places like Precision Camera Works, Rollei Repairs, Walters Camera Repair - three places that I have used - have apprentices being trained.
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I won't miss the M7 because I was never tempted to buy one. But the fact that another film camera is gone is a loss for all who shoot film because it clearly shows that film photography is on its last leg.

Lets hope that the MP and M-A will be in production for a few more years.
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The M7 is really battery and circuit dependent.
No circuit, no camera.
My M6TTL now at similar risk as regards meter and flash....
As would be the regular M6 and the MP. And many, many other cameras.
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Beautiful A La Carte for sale here

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1546728

Not mine, but a heads up to anyone looking.
Only $2600!!
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Not mine, but a heads up to anyone looking.
Only $2600!!
annnnd... Sold!
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Having had a M7 for 14 years now, I have mixed feelings about it being "discontinued" (I read several years ago that Leica had made a last production run and would not make any more once they were sold). I can't see where I would want to buy another one and, since I have no intention to sell the one I have, the impact of it being discontinued on the market doesn't matter to me either. I will miss responding to people commenting on my "old camera" that they can still buy one just like it new.
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who wants mine!
Is yours a custom a la carte like his was?
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Real message: Leica will be running out of circuit boards for the M7
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Real message: Leica will be running out of circuit boards for the M7

The main problem is circuit board availability once the camera is discontinued. Leica already has no more circuit boards for the M6TTL. If you fry your circuit with a high voltage flash, then you've got an M-A without flash synch.

My M7 just came back from Leica in New Jersey.
An $800 lesson on why you should never try using a bulb flash with an electronic camera of any sort. I had to get new circuit boards (while they are still available).

Peak bulb currents before the filament burns out can be 1.5 Amperes or more. Foolish of me, really foolish.
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Is it possible to just order a circuit board, and keep it for a just in case scenario?
The only flashes I use with Leicas are the Leica branded ones. But the only Leica that I've used that gives excellent results with flash is the R9. M9 and M240 sucked. Depending on the age/charge level of the camera's battery (not the flash's battery), sometimes it did not sync, sometimes sync was off etc etc. I tried them with different Leica flashes.
The film rangefinders work ok, the R9 gives fantastic results - especially with fill in - using ROM lenses.

Anyway, digression over!
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M7's TTL is very accurate, and it is the only film M Leica that offers High Speed Synch flash with shutter speeds from 1/250 to 1/1000. It always just works perfectly with my Metz flash. I sometimes use the Metz system to get a TTL controlled multiple flash unit setup.

I suppose you could call Dave Elwell and ask to purchase the circuit borads for the M7. They won't be cheap.
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M7's TTL is very accurate, and it is the only film Leica that offers High Speed Synch flash with shutter speeds from 1/250 to 1/1000.
R9 syncs up to 1/8000 sec.

"With standard flash technology, the LEICA R9’sflash sync speed is 1/250s. Studio flash systems in particular often have flash burst durations that are considerably longer.
In order to take full advantage of the full light quantity provided by these flash units, slower shutter speeds, such as 1/180s or 1/125s are recommended.When used with SCA 3002 standard flash units that have an
HSS mode (High Speed Synchroni-sation) and the SCA 3502M3, the LEICA R9 also allows the use of all faster shutter speeds up to
1/8000s (see "High speed sync flash mode”, p.172)."
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They seem to be all GONE!
B&H and Adorama are out of stock. What is left on Amazon has been jacked up to the M10 price level.
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