Favourite rendering M mount lens
Old 01-24-2018   #1
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Favourite rendering M mount lens

Hi all,
I was just wondering what M, LTM, mount lenses you consider have a rendering or drawing that is somewhat special or appeals to you?
There are many aspects that go toward creating an appealing image, but I often notice in the images I like it's not the most technically sharp or perfect lens that creates it, but often lenses that have a distinct or special signature.
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Old 01-24-2018   #2
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Coated (M-mount)
35mm Summilux pre-ASPH
50mm Noctilux f/1.0
40mm Summicron-C f/2.0
21mm Super-Angulon-M f/3.4

Un-coated (LTM)
5cm Summar 1:2.0
3.5cm Elmar 1:3.5
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Old 01-25-2018   #3
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Summicron 8 element 35mm
Noctilux 1.0
Summilux-M 75mm

Canon LTM 1.2/50
Summar 5cm
Summarit 1.5/50

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and each one IS unique and no other can replace
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Old 01-25-2018   #4
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Old 01-25-2018   #5
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any Sonnar-formula.
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Old 01-25-2018   #6
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40mm Summicron-C f/2.0
Since this is the only m-mount lens I own, I'd have to agree! Wonderful, wonderful first m-mount to own.
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Old 01-25-2018   #7
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2/75 'cron asph



The asph lenses are often called clinical and too sharp.
Obviously it all depends how you use them. Wide open and up close you can use the shallow DOF of the in focus area to highlight what you want to show and the OOF zone in front and behind the sharp focus zone are just beautiful.
Be careful with processing and sharpening, use DNG and not in camera jpg output, otherwise you have a good chance to ruin the original capture of the lens.
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Old 01-25-2018   #8
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Old 01-25-2018   #9
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Old 01-25-2018   #10
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In M mount, four Mandler lenses - 135 2.8, 90 thin tele-elmarit, 35 pre-asph Summilux, and 200 Telyt for Visoflex.

In LTM, 50 Summar, 35 Elmar, both uncoated, Canon 50 1.5, and Canon 3.5 135. I do enjoy using longer lenses on rangefinder cameras - strange, I know, but that's the way it is.
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Old 01-25-2018   #11
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Old 01-25-2018   #12
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Hi all,
I was just wondering what M, LTM, mount lenses you consider have a rendering or drawing that is somewhat special or appeals to you?
There are many aspects that go toward creating an appealing image, but I often notice in the images I like it's not the most technically sharp or perfect lens that creates it, but often lenses that have a distinct or special signature.
All of my Leica lenses produce superbly beautiful renderings, every one slightly different and special, but the Summilux 35mm f/1.4 v2 of about 1972 vintage is very very special for its tiny size, speed, ability to change rendering dramatically with a twist of the aperture ring, and a particularly beautiful performer:


Leica M-P + Summilux 35mm f/1.4 (v2)
ISO 200 @ f/2 @ 1/90



Leica M-D + Summilux 35mm f/1.4 v2
ISO 800 @ f/4 @ 1/15

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Old 01-25-2018   #13
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B&W:
50/2 Summicron Collapsible
35/3.5 Summaron
35/1.4 Summilux Pre-Asph
28/2.8 Elmarit v3

Color:
50/1.4 Summilux v2
35/2 Summicron v2/3/4
21/1.8 Ultron
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Old 01-25-2018   #14
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Elmar-M 50/2.8: no flare, 3D look not by shallow DoF but with the rendering, touch of classic look.
Summilux-M 50/1.4 Pre-ASPH E46: Classic rendering, great for portrait, not-so-creamy bokeh (classic look) vs ASPH. Not the rendering but being able to focus down to 0.7m is a big plus for me.
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Old 01-25-2018   #15
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All of my Leica lenses produce superbly beautiful renderings, every one slightly different and special, but the Summilux 35mm f/1.4 v2 of about 1972 vintage is very very special for its tiny size, speed, ability to change rendering dramatically with a twist of the aperture ring, and a particularly beautiful performer:


Leica M-P + Summilux 35mm f/1.4 (v2)
ISO 200 @ f/2 @ 1/90



Leica M-D + Summilux 35mm f/1.4 v2
ISO 800 @ f/4 @ 1/15

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Godfrey great shots, sorry I don't own any M mounts.
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Old 01-25-2018   #16
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From what I owned and own - Cron Collapsible for BW on film and Summarit-M 35 2.5 for everything. I liked Elmarit-M 28 2.8 III for rendering, but lens is the dog, sorry, Percheron.
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Old 01-25-2018   #17
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This is like that "5 favourite cameras" thread by the good JS Rockit (I think), such fun.
My absolute favourite M and LTM lenses, in terms of optical characteristics, are
- Nikkor 35/1.8 equal with Summicron 35 V4. I find them quite similar, except in colour rendition.
- Zeiss M 25/2.8 for its sharpness and colour rendition.
- Zeiss M 50/1.5 for its beautiful images
- Leica 24/3.8 Elmar-M Asph, just so high resolving and distortion free.
- Leica Apo Summicron 50/2 Asph, ditto
- Pretty much all the Cosina Voigtlander LTM Color Skopar lenses for their colour rendition mainly.
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Old 01-25-2018   #18
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ZM Sonnar f1.5/50mm tops my list

Although I have the Zeiss Contax RF ancestor ...I've never owned the ZM Sonnar 50.
Every pic I've seen with it whether film or Digitalis is beautiful.
Is it the perfect M mount lens...?....might be.
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Old 01-25-2018   #19
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Two distinct sorts of lens:

1) Nice transitions to out of focus areas for portraits & simpler shots with soft backgrounds. Here it really is hard to beat the 50/1.5 Sonnar. It is absolutely beautiful. I'm also very fond of the 75 Summilux (which is very similar in a lot of ways) and the rigid 50 Summicrons (which are quite different from the Sonnar/75 Summilux but I still find them appealing).

2) For photos where you want lots or even substantially all of what can be seen to be in focus: I really like the 21/3.4 Super Angulon here. The light falloff toward the corner is just about right, I think, to subtly push the eye back toward the center without looking cheesy (I recognize that cheesy is in the eye of the beholder). Also it has, to my eye, just the right amount of contrastiness. It has a distinctive look and one that I like a lot.
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Old 01-25-2018   #20
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The lens that most impressed me with it rendering qualities was a 35mm Summicron M
version III. I sold it years ago and then realized my mistake and purchased another.
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Old 01-25-2018   #21
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For me, the would be two of them:

a) Summilux 50 1.4 pre ASPH: Give some creamy mood that I like, especially on fine grain films.

b) Summicron 35 V1: Really like its rendering. Sharp and nice.

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Old 01-25-2018   #22
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Old 01-25-2018   #23
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Toss up between my collapsible and rigid 50 crons. I go back and forth with these two and love them both.

My 35mm of choice is my Summaron 2.8

All used for BW film
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Old 01-26-2018   #24
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By the time the image is optically printed, mounted and framed, I struggle to see much of a difference between them. Older lenses: swirly, distracting bokeh and less contrast (fixed in the darkroom). Newer lenses: more contrast, less distracting bokeh.

Maybe I've been spoiled with medium format lenses?
If we can assume that 24x65 Xpan medium format, I agree 100%.
Those little Xpan lenses (made by Fujifilm !) are the most pleasing modern-but-not-sterile rendering on film (even when used at 1600 or 3200 ISO).

I just regret they can not be used with M Leica .

But there are plenty of M/LTM lenses available to discover for a while .
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Old 01-26-2018   #25
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I really like the prints from my 50mm c-Sonnar and my 35mm c-Biogon.
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Old 01-28-2018   #26
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I have used many lenses that have special signature. Some stayed with me and some are long sold.
What I keep coming back to are:

CV 50mm/1.5 ltm, CV 35/1.2, M-Hexanon 50/1.2, Nikkor ltm 5cm/1.4, Nikkor ltm 85/2 (black), Leica Summitar coll. ltm 50/2.
But I have to give a special note to UC-Hexanon 35/2, M-Hexanon 35/2, Canon LTM 50/1.2, ZM 25/2.8, - All I no longer have.
Just got another lens that I think will stay - CV 21/1.8 - love how it draws!
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Old 01-28-2018   #27
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21 Super Angulon... Classic & tres Atmospheric ... ALL time favorite Leica M lens
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Old 01-28-2018   #28
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Although I tend to using more modern lenses, I keep returning to few lenses where I consider the rendering to be unique and special:

Canon RF 50/1.5 - LTM (Sonnar)
Leica Summar 50/2.0 - LTM (collapsible)
Canon RF 28/2.8 - LTM
Rollei 40/2.8 Sonnar LTM
Summicron 35/2 - M (IV)
Zeiss Jena Sonnar 50/2.0 - LTM (collapsible)

I am also wlling to admit I am biased towards Sonnar rendering. While I have not included any Tessar lenses in this list, I have found large variations with differing vintages (and manufacturer) with some early Tessars producing distinct and interesting character. To me, this is surprsing considering the rather simple and universal optical design of the Tessar.
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21 Super Angulon... Classic & tres Atmospheric ... ALL time favorite Leica M lens


Have to agree wholeheartedly with Helen - 21 Super Angulon is just a classic performer.
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Old 01-28-2018   #30
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My favorites are a little contradictory - some classic and some highly corrected optics top the list. In no particular order:
Leica Summulix-M 50mm f1.4 pre-aspheric e46 - It's nearly as dreamy as the f1.0 Noctilux wide open, but it's compact (!) and features a close focus distance of 0.7m (!).

Leica Apo-Summicron-M 50mm f2.0 asph - This lens never disappoints. It's simply classy.

Zeiss C-Sonnar 50mm f1.5 - Wish I hadn't sold it. The rendering is so unique and beautiful. Its inherent focus shift drove me crazy on the M though.

Minolta Rokkor 40mm f2.0 - A small, light and wonderful lens. Every time I come back to it, I appreciate it all over again.

Leica Apo-Summicron-M 75mm f2.0 asph - I'm continually surprised by how good this lens is.
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Old 01-29-2018   #33
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1. Leica Summicron-M 2/90
2. Leica Summicron-M 2/50
3. 7artisans 1.1/50
4. Voigtländer 2.5/75
5. Voigtländer 2.0/28
6. Leitz Summitar 2/5cm

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Just to make it absolutely clear are we discussing our "Favourite Rendering Lens" in this thread and not just simply our favourite lens? If the quality of some aspect of 'unique rendering' is at the heart of the question then;

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7artisans 50 mm 1,1 of course.
It just has to be.
Nothing else like it whatsoever.

Utterly unique at f1.1 (and, to a lesser extent, f1.4) yet 90% Mandler-esque from f2 down.
Astonishing lens.

I REALLY love my Mandlers and my absolute all-time favourite lens (50 Summicron v4) will go with me to the grave but the 7a is utterly bewitching in a way that other Leitz lenses (IMX) simply aren't.
I don't have a Thambar (original or current) so cannot comment with authority in that dept but having studied many photographs and having read many informed posts, comments and suchlike I think there is a sort of cameraderie between the Thambar and the 7a lenses' - if not, uniformly, between the lenses' respective owners...

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I'll add one I haven't seen here yet, the 35mm Konica UC-Hexanon. It has a longish MFD and a little bit of barrel distortion, but the images are lovely! For a fraction of the price, I'm also very happy with the images from my 40mm M-Rokkor, though in side-by-side comparisons I have a slight preference for the UC-Hexanon every time.
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Of the ones I've had thus-far I think the 50mm Elmar-M takes the cake. I deeply regretted selling mine last year and had to buy another. It is just a truly wonderful 50mm.

I also second Lucas's vote for the UC-Hexanon 35mm f/2 (though it is an LTM lens technically). It's another lens I regretfully sold off, but I became attached to it because of the Hexar AF. I got to know its signature very well thanks to that camera and I thought it too was a marvelous optic. For me personally something was lost in translation with the LTM version which is why I let it go, but I do very much enjoy the rendering.

I could easily wax poetic about just any lens I've had a chance to try out, but I'm far more interested in hearing about what you all prefer.
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I was interested to hear about the differences between the 35mm f2 Hexanon UC version as opposed to the LTM version. Is the LTM version distinctly different?
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I was interested to hear about the differences between the 35mm f2 Hexanon UC version as opposed to the LTM version. Is the LTM version distinctly different?
Both are actually LTM lenses, both are identical in lens formulas, both are excellent. The UC has a different coating, the chrome version is essentially lifted from the Hexar AF.
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I was interested to hear about the differences between the 35mm f2 Hexanon UC version as opposed to the LTM version. Is the LTM version distinctly different?
L-Hexanon 35/2 LTM
UC-Hexanon 35/2 LTM

These two are identical in formula - the lens of the original Hexar. Double gauss (modified Xenotar) design. The later has improved coating.

M-Hexanon 35/2

In M-mount, new design. It's a big, near symmetrical, retrofocus lens, although actually not any heavier than the 35/2 Summicron ASPH. Take it as the 35mm version of the 28 Elmarit-M pre ASPH - well corrected, neutral and extremely flat. It's unique as no other 35mm lens of the similar design exist.
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