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Old 01-20-2018   #1
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Replacing an old Holga...

... suggestions?

Iíve always just gotten the basic 120n with plastic lens.
From user experience, Is there anything limited edition or special worth looking out for?
Glass lens ?

The shutter lever has become stucky on this current one which has been a problem with past ones.
I try lubing it with a graphite stick but really itís just times up.
The shutter return spring gets goofed mid roll every few rolls also.
Thanks for thoughts.
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... suggestions?

Iíve always just gotten the basic 120n with plastic lens.
From user experience, Is there anything limited edition or special worth looking out for?
Glass lens ?

The shutter lever has become stucky on this current one which has been a problem with past ones.
I try lubing it with a graphite stick but really itís just times up.
The shutter return spring gets goofed mid roll every few rolls also.
Thanks for thoughts.
Hmmm... there are some really cool 120 film cameras here.

https://shop.lomography.com/en/camer...ras?country=us
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Last time out I picked up the 120 fn with the flash and I haven't regretted it one bit. Same experience with a little bit of extra fun.
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Are the Diana 120 cameras made any better than the Holga's?

I know the Diana 120 used to have a 75mm Glass lens, which I really wanted to try, but when I got around to trying to purchase one, they had been discontinued.

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If my Holga stops to work I would go without doubts for a Diana !
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I have an LC-A 120, and absolutely love it!
It's light years ahead of the standard ones, due to the glass lens and of course it's priced accordingly.
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Oh I agree with you fad gadget. The LCA 120 is one of my favorite cameras, but it is most certainly not a Holga or Diana. Totally different experiences.
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Last time out I picked up the 120 fn with the flash and I haven't regretted it one bit. Same experience with a little bit of extra fun.

I think this is what I’ll do... flash model.

Diana....mmmmmayybee.. Cheap but not as cheap. Maybe I’ll cruise some images on flick before deciding.

I have a couple Agfa Clacks which give a 6x9 frame.
Those fills the LCA spot. When going wide I prefer to leave the square behind and go back to 2x3.
Clack is not super wide but its 6x9 frame looks wide. Certainly lo-fi
Plus the LCA seems like more than a Holga.

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Lc-a 120

You are absolutely correct, Dan!
I just had to throw it in the mix.



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I have an LC-A 120, and absolutely love it!
It's light years ahead of the standard ones, due to the glass lens and of course it's priced accordingly.
does yours focus correctly? the one i tried was way off. u needed to set it to infinity to get any sharp pics, no matter the subject distance.
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Lc-a 120

Hi Huss,

I think I remember you mentioning that in a thread some time ago...

Yes, mine's fine at all focus points.
The one you had must have been out of calibration, that's a shame because it's really a lot of fun to carry around.

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does yours focus correctly? the one i tried was way off. u needed to set it to infinity to get any sharp pics, no matter the subject distance.
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Three or four years ago I stumbled across a Agfa Isoly at a flea market for $12. This is a 4X4, not 6X6 and mine is the up market one with a 3 element 60mm f3.9 with front element scale focusing to 3 ft. It has a Pronto shutter with 1/30 to 1/250 plus 'B'. Really not the Holga aesthetic but, Agfa also made Isoley's with lower specifications, all 4X4 I think. (but am not sure)

The actual negative size is 41X41mm compared to 56X56mm for 6X6. You lose some negative area but do get 16 shots on 120 film, so a slight economy edge what with the cheapest B&W 120 now about $4 a roll from B&H. (It's awful being an old timer, I remember buying 120 B&W for 60 cents a roll, where did the years go?)

Important addendum; If searching for an Isoly on ebay be careful, they are sometimes misidentified as 6X6 but are really 4X4. If there is a picture of the back of the camera and the red window is at the bottom (not in the middle of the back) then it is a 4X4. Just a word of caution.
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Hi Huss,

I think I remember you mentioning that in a thread some time ago...

Yes, mine's fine at all focus points.
The one you had must have been out of calibration, that's a shame because it's really a lot of fun to carry around.

cheers/ken.
"We" must have had a bum one. It was the one that Stephen was loaning to site members. I would have loved to have used a properly focusing one.

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Hmmm... there are some really cool 120 film cameras here.
Dave: you will probably really enjoy the book "Last Harvest, truck farmers in the deep south" by Perry Dilbeck. Perry is from McDonough GA and everything was shot around there. It is absolute first class documentary photography about a dying breed. All the photos in the book were shot with a Holga which works well with that subject matter. We first met when I attended a Holga workshop he did.

Perry is an instructor at the Art Institute of Atlanta, so if you can't find a copy for sale or in a library, just call or email him and ask where to find a copy.

If all else fails locally, drop me a note and I will loan you my copy.

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Dave: you will probably really enjoy the book "Last Harvest, truck farmers in the deep south" by Perry Dilbeck. Perry is from McDonough GA and everything was shot around there. It is absolute first class documentary photography about a dying breed. All the photos in the book were shot with a Holga which works well with that subject matter. We first met when I attended a Holga workshop he did.

Perry is an instructor at the Art Institute of Atlanta, so if you can't find a copy for sale or in a library, just call or email him and ask where to find a copy.

If all else fails locally, drop me a note and I will loan you my copy.

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... suggestions?

Iíve always just gotten the basic 120n with plastic lens.
From user experience, Is there anything limited edition or special worth looking out for?
Glass lens ?
.................
You can still buy an original Holga from Freestyle Photo although the price is now $40.

Do you want anything different? A original Holga is unique, you either love them or not. Certainly you can buy a higher quality camera for the same price or even less if that is what you want. But if you want an original Holga, buy an original Holga.

It seems to me that Holga users fall into two basic groups.

* There are those who will say "Golly Gee, look I made a photo with a cheap plastic camera". This group also includes those who just have to be different for the sake of being different. This seems to be the group that is constantly explaining "but it was shot with a Holga." Nothing wrong with that and this does seem to be the largest group of Holga users.

* There are also those who use Holga's because it just is the right tool to deliver the images they want. The previously mentioned "Last Harvest" book is an example of this. Note: I tried to be in this group but was unsuccessful as my photos never met my expectations.

Holgas are not for everyone. If they meet your personal objectives, buy and use them. If not, buy and use something else.
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I like the Holga GFN 120. Glass lens for a bit more sharpness in the center (but still that lovely off-axis loveliness), with integral flash. FYI the batteries need to be replaced before you load the film.
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JoeV that's one I would like to get but it seems they have not been made available for a while now.
I'm just going to order a plastic lens built in flash version for now.

Bob,
The Holga is a very good tool for film photographers.
Even though, I suppose anyone can get a simulated Holga look with PP these days (or hipstamatic app which I actually like).
Simulations in post lose the charm of surrender the Holga requires from users.... Not wanting to choose a look later is one reason to use it.
It gives you what it gives you and that's it!

This will be the 3rd one for me... the other 2 having been used until worn out or malfunctioning.
With other cameras in the kit, I don't see a need to own more than one but, I do always have one loaded with film.
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Not really an answer to the OP...

If the LC-A 120 interest you, but (like me) the cost and reliability issues keep you from getting one, a great alternative is a Lomo Diana with the optional 38mm lens. More expensive but much better built than a Holga, but way less expensive and more reliable than the LC-A 120.
Surprisingly good results too...

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Nice photo Colton!
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I prefer the original Diana 151 model over the Holgas I have had. Wish they were 6x6 for less grain but I still like it better.
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Thanks Robert. This was the first frame I shot with the Diana and 38mm lens. I wasn't expecting the results to be anywhere near this good.
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Dave: you will probably really enjoy the book "Last Harvest, truck farmers in the deep south" by Perry Dilbeck. Perry is from McDonough GA and everything was shot around there. It is absolute first class documentary photography about a dying breed. All the photos in the book were shot with a Holga which works well with that subject matter. We first met when I attended a Holga workshop he did.

Perry is an instructor at the Art Institute of Atlanta, so if you can't find a copy for sale or in a library, just call or email him and ask where to find a copy.

If all else fails locally, drop me a note and I will loan you my copy.

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Hey, thanks, Bob.., I will check in to that one!

Hope you are doing well... I owe you an update, so stay tuned!
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I recently got a waist level finder Holga and am really enjoying it. You might want to check out that model.
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JoeV that's one I would like to get but it seems they have not been made available for a while now.
I'm just going to order a plastic lens built in flash version for now.

Bob,
The Holga is a very good tool for film photographers.
Even though, I suppose anyone can get a simulated Holga look with PP these days (or hipstamatic app which I actually like).
Simulations in post lose the charm of surrender the Holga requires from users.... Not wanting to choose a look later is one reason to use it.
It gives you what it gives you and that's it!

This will be the 3rd one for me... the other 2 having been used until worn out or malfunctioning.
With other cameras in the kit, I don't see a need to own more than one but, I do always have one loaded with film.
do you recall how many rolls have you gone with yours before malfunctioning?
have a Holga 120 GFN that I bought for fun but have barely used it, didn't know it has been discontinued and tough to find now.
i've probably put about max 5 rolls on mine, my goal with it now is to use 35mm to shoot long-exposure panoramic shots (bought the adapter for trigger)
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Hi Earl

This one that is sickly was bought here from Sug in 2010.... it’s been great!
I’ve put about 1 1/2 rolls per month through since then.
The biggest issue is the shutter return spring malfunctioning.
The shutter lever I can get moving ok again just not for long..... at least it’s external.
When the shutter is stuck or stuck open with film in.... it’s done until The darkbag is handy.
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This one that is sickly was bought here from Sug in 2010.... itís been great!
Iíve put about 1 1/2 rolls per month through since then.
The biggest issue is the shutter return spring malfunctioning.
The shutter lever I can get moving ok again just not for long..... at least itís external.
When the shutter is stuck or stuck open with film in.... itís done until The darkbag is handy.
unfortunate, if Bulb mode was still usable on yours I would be willing to swap with you.
let me check The Camera Store to see if they have a GFN in stock, did see a couple while in Asia, was tempted to grab a spare for myself but did not have luggage space.
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Why not something like an Agfa Clack? Very similar in concept to the Holga, one shutter speed, no focusing, makes 6x9 negatives, and cheap. But they're much better made, so that may be a pro or con depending on what you're looking for. The other feature is the curved film path which counteracts some of the field curvature of the lens.
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I have a pair of Clacks
I like them. It's a nice big negative and if you get in the right range it's decent(think group portrait distance).
The Square lends itself better to such vignetting as the Holga gives IMO.

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unfortunate, if Bulb mode was still usable on yours I would be willing to swap with you.
let me check The Camera Store to see if they have a GFN in stock, did see a couple while in Asia, was tempted to grab a spare for myself but did not have luggage space.
Thanks for the thought. I'm would not feel comfortable trading this one.
I'll find one.... there are plenty out there.

Edit.
Freestyle has a 120GFCN. Same model with Colorflash. I'll order one. One extra letter won't add much weight
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An alternative source, from the country of origin:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/USD-HOLGA-1...MAAOSwsXFZJdy9


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I recently got a waist level finder Holga and am really enjoying it. You might want to check out that model.
I bought two Holgas. One TLR.... thanks for recommending it
I've put 2 rolls through the TLR so far.
One really does not to hold it at waist level to see the image. That works good for me.
I also picked up a GCFN for eye level which I used yesterday for a couple rolls.
Loving the Holgas. I think this might be the year of the holga for me...there is an added sense of anticipation with these cameras that makes them more compelling to use in some way.... I expose more prolifically.
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