Go Back   Rangefinderforum.com > Cameras / Gear / Photography > Classic Film RangeFinders & Other Classics > Other RF

Other RF Forum for the many Rangefinder cameras that do not have a dedicated RFF forum.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes

Any information about this Rangefinder? (Kowa Kallo Wide)
Old 03-14-2017   #1
p.giannakis
Pan Giannakis
 
p.giannakis's Avatar
 
p.giannakis is offline
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Stafford - UK
Posts: 2,345
Any information about this Rangefinder? (Kowa Kallo Wide)

Hi everyone,

Gone for my favourite charity shop walk yesterday and bought this camera for 10.



There is very little information available online. It has a Prominar 35 f/2.8 lens which seem to be in good condition. Slower speeds (1/2 and 1 sec) drag on a bit - the rest seem ok.

Has anyone got one of these? Any information online about it?
__________________
Regards,
Pan


The Monochrome Archives
Instagram



  Reply With Quote

Old 03-14-2017   #2
citizen99
Registered User
 
citizen99's Avatar
 
citizen99 is offline
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Bristol, England
Posts: 753
I can't help with information, but what a good purchase !
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2017   #3
oltimer
Registered User
 
oltimer is offline
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Ontario, Canada
Age: 77
Posts: 394
Interesting that Kowa made it?. I did a Yahoo search and found more there about your 1959 made camera. I would check there if I was you?
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2017   #4
Arbitrarium
Registered User
 
Arbitrarium's Avatar
 
Arbitrarium is offline
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 319
Nice! Looks like you've found something rare there. And the scarce Kowas usually sell for stupid prices on the 'bay
__________________
Arbitrarium on Instagram
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2017   #5
Archlich
Registered User
 
Archlich is offline
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,300
It's a "wide" (by the 1950's standard) version of the Kallo 35, made in 1955 by the Optical Product Division of Kofuku Sangyo Co., Ltd., the branch of Kowa which in its current incarnation still makes Prominar telescopes today. It's somewhat modeled after the Olympus 35 Wide, but the Kallo's Prominar lens has 6 elements in 4 groups.

Quality wise it's not a particularly special camera (numerous similarly-speced Japanese cameras soon flooded the market, much to the woe of the less established German manufacturers), but a fine instrument nonetheless.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2017   #6
tunalegs
Pretended Artist
 
tunalegs's Avatar
 
tunalegs is offline
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,567
I had a Graflex Century 35, which was basically the same camera except that it had a 45mm lens instead of a 35mm one. You might find more info searching for that camera?

As for general info, in the 1950s in Japan there was a wide-angle fad. Lots of wide-angle cameras were released. I have in my collection a Welmy Wide which catered to the low end of the market, there were a ton of them though, most of which didn't seem to be sold outside of Japan. Minolta, Walz, and I think Ricoh also got in on the action. The next camera fad was the half-frame which lasted a bit longer and got a lot more attention outside of Japan.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2017   #7
nukecoke
⚛Yashica
 
nukecoke's Avatar
 
nukecoke is offline
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Sweden/China
Posts: 1,014
http://fukucame.fan.coocan.jp/kalowide.htm

try google translate
__________________
tumblr

flickr(abandoned)

About Film Cameras
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2017   #8
Alfonso B
Registered User
 
Alfonso B is offline
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 71
Funny fact: "Kowa kallo" means "Hard skull" in finnish, allthough the literary form changed to "kova" around mid-1800's.
Looks like it has a decent size finder. Nice catch!
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2017   #9
p.giannakis
Pan Giannakis
 
p.giannakis's Avatar
 
p.giannakis is offline
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Stafford - UK
Posts: 2,345
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archlich View Post
I Like the F.Zuiko on the Olympus, the Kallo's Prominar lens has 6 elements in 4 groups..
I am quite surprised to hear that - i expected a Tessar variant instead.
__________________
Regards,
Pan


The Monochrome Archives
Instagram



  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2017   #10
nukecoke
⚛Yashica
 
nukecoke's Avatar
 
nukecoke is offline
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Sweden/China
Posts: 1,014
http://3rd.geocities.jp/ta14hi/old-camera/Kowa/Kowa.htm
カロワイド  1955年(昭和30年)発売
レンズはプロミナーFC F2.8 35mm(4群6枚構成) (4 groups, 6 elements)

I guess the performance of the lens won't be bad at all.

And later in the 70s-80s people got countless compact cameras with Tessar type 35mm/38mm lens...I just dislike that typical vignetting from those Tessar type wide-angles. It feels very cheap.
__________________
tumblr

flickr(abandoned)

About Film Cameras
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2017   #11
p.giannakis
Pan Giannakis
 
p.giannakis's Avatar
 
p.giannakis is offline
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Stafford - UK
Posts: 2,345
Well, apparently, the lens came out in an LTM version too. Here is one sold on *bay with some samples on an M9

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-LEICA.../311811514119?
__________________
Regards,
Pan


The Monochrome Archives
Instagram



  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2017   #12
greyelm
Malcolm
 
greyelm's Avatar
 
greyelm is offline
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1,360
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Kallo_W
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-16-2017   #13
hilltime
Registered User
 
hilltime's Avatar
 
hilltime is offline
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 161
I've had a Kallo W for about 10 years and have always enjoyed its compact size and decent 35/2.8 Prominar. Kowa also made this lens for the Kallo or Kowa 140, interchangeable lens Seikosha shuttered camera from around 1959. Same optical formula and rare but not quite as rare as the LTM version.
An accessory Kallo viewfinder was also an option to put in the cold shoe and allow a much larger view, after focusing with the rangefinder in the camera.

I love the whole Kallo/Kowa rangefinder series, but I'm quite sure most remember only the bad and unreliable SLR models which followed. Darn nice lenses though

Gary Hill
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-16-2017   #14
jbielikowski
call me Jan
 
jbielikowski's Avatar
 
jbielikowski is offline
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Warsaw, Poland
Posts: 963
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1120227413

Well, the lens should be really good, I was once hunting for this camera.
__________________

  Reply With Quote

Old 03-16-2017   #15
nukecoke
⚛Yashica
 
nukecoke's Avatar
 
nukecoke is offline
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Sweden/China
Posts: 1,014
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbielikowski View Post
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1120227413

Well, the lens should be really good, I was once hunting for this camera.
LOL, that's my google doc...
__________________
tumblr

flickr(abandoned)

About Film Cameras
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-16-2017   #16
jbielikowski
call me Jan
 
jbielikowski's Avatar
 
jbielikowski is offline
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Warsaw, Poland
Posts: 963
Quote:
Originally Posted by nukecoke View Post
LOL, that's my google doc...
I'm a huge fan of it, found it linked years ago here on RFF (actually I'm searching for it regularly cause I always forget to bookmark it).
__________________

  Reply With Quote

Old 03-16-2017   #17
p.giannakis
Pan Giannakis
 
p.giannakis's Avatar
 
p.giannakis is offline
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Stafford - UK
Posts: 2,345
Quote:
Originally Posted by nukecoke View Post
LOL, that's my google doc...
Wow, how did you compile all this information?
__________________
Regards,
Pan


The Monochrome Archives
Instagram



  Reply With Quote

Old 03-17-2017   #18
nukecoke
⚛Yashica
 
nukecoke's Avatar
 
nukecoke is offline
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Sweden/China
Posts: 1,014
Quote:
Originally Posted by p.giannakis View Post
Wow, how did you compile all this information?
I was searching for some lens information for my Yashicas and then saw someone posted some scanned pages of that book about lenses (ISBN 4-87956-043-X), with all those test results, I thought it would be useful so I made this chart based on the pages.
The tricky part was that all the names of the cameras and lenses were written in Japanese KANA instead of English alphabet ...however a little bit of google translate helped the ones I didn't recognise.
__________________
tumblr

flickr(abandoned)

About Film Cameras
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 18:48.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.