Cinestill 800 - remarkable
Old 05-03-2016   #1
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Cinestill 800 - remarkable

I think I've found my favourite C41 colour film. Cinestill 800. I shot these at box speed of 800 ISO, and the grain is at least as fine as Portra 400.
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Old 05-04-2016   #2
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I think I've found my favourite C41 colour film. Cinestill 800. I shot these at box speed of 800 ISO, and the grain is at least as fine as Portra 400.
Did you use a filter for these?
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Did you use a filter for these?
I was just about to ask the same thing. I've run through two rolls of the 800T and 50D each and love them both, but haven't shot the 800T in daylight yet, though I've been itching to.

One of the brothers Wright recommended rating the film at 500 and shooting with a warming filter (85B Im guessing) when shooting in daylight, but that it was not necessary to do so. I'd like to try this and see what kind of tones I end up with.

Either way, your shots came out great! Who's developing your film, Richards?
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I have shot cinestill (800 and 50) a lot. I have learned to use an 85B filter and shoot at 500, develop at 800 .... very rich colors, tends to the warmer side. Develop at 1000 rather than 800 and you get a little more grain but looks great to me......
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Sorry, just saw the questions.

No filter, shot at 800 ISO (box speed). Any colour balance corrections were made in LR but northcoastphoto who dev/scanned the film pretty much colour balanced the scans already.
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Who makes this film and who sells it?
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Who makes this film and who sells it?

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I quite like it too. Beautiful warm colors. I use it outdoors with a 51b filter per the manufacturer's recommendation.

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I bulk roll the original film stock and shoot it without the filter and adjust color balance digitally. I find it great for all light conditions. The second one was rated at 1600 and developed +2. I usually rate the film regardless at ~400 for the extra shadow detail. The highlights usually retain well, unless I mess up my exposure. (I shoot meterless most of the time)

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I bulk roll the original film stock and shoot it without the filter and adjust color balance digitally. I find it great for all light conditions. The second one was rated at 1600 and developed +2. I usually rate the film regardless at ~400 for the extra shadow detail. The highlights usually retain well, unless I mess up my exposure. (I shoot meterless most of the time)

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Yes, I see no need for filtering this film at all unless you are printing directly from the negative to paper. If you are going to scan the negatives, you can fix any colour balance issue in your editing software.

Keep it simple. Shoot w/o filters at box speed. Worked perfectly for me .

The photo above is great, when I first glanced at it it looks like the girl is diving and captured in mid somersault as they do in Olympic diving competitions.
But then I noticed she is just sitting on the beach with the same pose!
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And this one shows the flexibility of this film. Being able to shoot from blazing sun to a night time snow fall.
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Yes, I see no need for filtering this film at all unless you are printing directly from the negative to paper. If you are going to scan the negatives, you can fix any colour balance issue in your editing software.

Keep it simple. Shoot w/o filters at box speed. Worked perfectly for me .

The photo above is great, when I first glanced at it it looks like the girl is diving and captured in mid somersault as they do in Olympic diving competitions.
But then I noticed she is just sitting on the beach with the same pose!

Huss, I agree with technicals. And yes! The image does have this strange spacial arrangement.
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And this one shows the flexibility of this film. Being able to shoot from blazing sun to a night time snow fall.
I have 400' of it in my freezer!
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I have 400' of it in my freezer!
Well then no wonder it works well for snow scenes. It's used to the cold!

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It has a look quite different than Portra, which has been my go-to color film. Here's another recent shot. Again, I'm using a 51B filter, but I may try it w/out and adjust the colors in PS.

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Nice shots. Robert, I dig the halo on the bicycle!
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Bessa R, heliar 50 F2: someone complains about the red halo with this film but I like it!
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Isn't the CineStill 120 coming soon aswell?
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Isn't the CineStill 120 coming soon aswell?
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Old 05-12-2016   #21
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I got used to outdated Vision3 500t (2007, 2011 years), as Cinestill is too expensive for me. I develop myself in C41 or ECN2.

2007 year film, shot at ISO 160 (with 85b filter that has x2.2 stop factor) C41 development



2011 year film shot at ISO 400 (with 85b filter that has x2.2 stop factor), so it was underexposed a lot. ECN2 development

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I've been shooting outdated (2011?) Fuji Eterna 500T and Kodak Vision3 5203 (50D), developed in ECN-2 or C-41 (I like the film processed in ECN-2 better).

I tried Cinestill 800T but I didn't like the absence of anti-halation layer. I did a few side by side shots of Cinestill 800T and Portra 400 (Portra exposed @800 and developed normally). I did like the look of Cinestill (I took the test shots at night in condition where I would use the tungsten balanced film and I scanned the films on two separate days so I wouldn't subcontiously try to match the look of both films), but there was no apparent advantage (speed, grain) of Cinestill over Portra. If it was cheaper and had anti-halation layer then sure...

I do hope that Cinestill will consider selling 120 and 4x5 Vision3 5219 film with remjet still on. I'd definitely buy it.
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I'm pretty excited about this ins 120 as I do not shoot 35mm, and threads like this dont help. The film looks great.
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@ Huss: lovely photo! But a question comes: it's a sunny day, you have an 800 iso film, an M7 (as I have) with max shutter speed 1000 and a beautiful out of focus background, which brings to a large aperture. How do you get a not overexposed photo? Did you use an ND filter? or any other filter? Just curious, thanks
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@ Huss: lovely photo! But a question comes: it's a sunny day, you have an 800 iso film, an M7 (as I have) with max shutter speed 1000 and a beautiful out of focus background, which brings to a large aperture. How do you get a not overexposed photo? Did you use an ND filter? or any other filter? Just curious, thanks
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Adding on that. I've seen that C41 can take quite a bit of overexposure and it even is desired (reduced grain, pastel tones, shadow detail). Many seem to just do that. Then, just for scanning there is more density.
I have some frames where a part is overexposed and dense, and the light piped out of the frame of the negaive! That on Portra 400, but perhaps Cinestill may get whole lotta halation...

BTW, I saw a couple of days ago a photo in the IG feed of Cinestill showing a truck and some covered cargo. They mentioned moving some machinery.
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@Huss: I am waiting to try Cinestill in the Widelux. Looks like it could be a lot of fun!
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@ Huss: lovely photo! But a question comes: it's a sunny day, you have an 800 iso film, an M7 (as I have) with max shutter speed 1000 and a beautiful out of focus background, which brings to a large aperture. How do you get a not overexposed photo? Did you use an ND filter? or any other filter? Just curious, thanks
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Hey Robert! No ND fillter, just a simple process using Sunny F16. I had Paula stand so she was backlit. Then to get the correct exposure it would be IIRC f3.5 ish at 1/1000. f 3.5 focussed this closely with a 50mm lens, with the background being so far away provides the subject isolation and OOF areas.
If she was standing the other way around, it would have been f/11-f/16 at 1/1000 and harsh direct light. Who wants that for a portrait?!
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Thanks for clarifying this . Of course it makes sense. I never used the Cinestill 800 In strong daylight, but after your photo I'llto try :-)
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@Huss: I am waiting to try Cinestill in the Widelux. Looks like it could be a lot of fun!
Careful with that in daylight as your camera has a limited top shutter speed and minimum aperture! 1/250 and f/11. With the Cinestill 800 sunny daylight shooting (sun at your back) would require f/11 (or f/16 depending on the result you're after) at 1/1000.

But... Cinestill has a really nice ISO 50 film, which would be perfect for daylight use in the Widelux.
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For the record this film is ISO 500 ( Kodak 5219 )

Most of the examples shown, as above are overexposed
which IMO looks nice.
I imagine also the OP shots are metered on the shadows.

With even correct metering this film can be pretty grainy
I use it ( the vastly cheaper Kodak 5219 ) at ISO 400.
Also not great in sunlight as the cyan/blue channel of
the film gets heavily overexposed and you will see a big
loss of detail, as the film is tungsten balanced.

The real gems in 35mm are the 50D & and 250D films.

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A couple from 800T. The first was shot at f1.4 and 1/1000, and developed at 800iso, so significantly overexposed (no warming filter) - impressive exposure latitude.

The second was metered at box speed, also clearly shows the red halos.


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At the end of this week I'll spend a long week end at the Como's lake (wife birthday and ourwedding anniversary). After having seen these photo I decide I'll bring my M7 with a Cinestill 800 in it! Let's see what will happen!
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PS. just in case of need I have a 2 stop ND filter with me...
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PS. just in case of need I have a 2 stop ND filter with me...
Good idea! Otherwise in sunny shots with the sun behind you it will be 1/1000 f/11 or f/16

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Thanks for all the examples - this film is sooooo nice! Love the reds. That does it, I'm loading my one and only 800T roll into the F with Nikkor-H 5cm and having some fun
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I wish we could get proper ecn2 development for it
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I wish we could get proper ecn2 development for it
That's what's so great about Cinestill. Remjet removed so it works with C41 process. ECN2 not needed.
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Yeah, but there are long term stability issues with cross processing
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RA4 - process seems to be the closest you can get, without making ECN-2 developer yourself.

I like shooting the Vision-stock much more than the Cinestill-stock, especially the daylight-situations benefit from the anti-halation remjet layer. (better contrast, no disturbing halos around every bright object).

Here are some comparisons: http://helino-photo.blogspot.no/2016...cinestill.html
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I like shooting the Vision-stock much more than the Cinestill-stock, especially the daylight-situations benefit from the anti-halation remjet layer. (better contrast, no disturbing halos around every bright object).
I see zero issues with contrast in my shots.

Yes, the antihalation layer removal causes halos, but I embrace those. I use it for those halos. I think everyone who uses this film is well aware of the halos.
It defines and separates this film from every other one on the market.

If you don't like the halos, pick any other film.


p.s. I noticed your highlight blooming. The film you used is Cinestill 50. This thread is for the 800T. But the only time I have ever seen it is with your images. Perhaps the lens is at fault? Haze will do that.
Here is a really nice review of Cinestill 50 by Ray Larose:
https://www.raylarose.com/words/cine...0d-film-review

And another here. Warning - NSFW
http://www.andrewkaiserphoto.com/blo...still-50d-800t
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