Old 10-23-2016   #161
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I loved the idea of a small 28mm for my m bodies.


So I just bought a chrome Voigtlander 28mm f/3.5 and pocketed the other $2050.

(I will say though, taking away everything else about the lens, it is a beautifully designed thing, and with Leica's modern typeface applied it has this really elegant retro-modern look to it that I'm quite fond of. Still wouldn't buy one at $2400, but I appreciate its beautiful design none-the-less.
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Old 10-26-2016   #162
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Sean Reid has put up the first part of his review of this lens on his pay website. He concentrates on photos shot in the field, lots of samples, leaving the studio tests (with comparisons) for the next part. He acknowledges the historic nature of the lens optical defects and notes that it's more expensive than the 2.8/28 ASPH, but it's not meant for the same use. Not too fond of the ginormous lens hood!
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I think tests need to be done on a tripod as its supposed to be a very high resolution lens..and of a very detailed static subject..as the old one looks great in this regard...
Who knows...maybe the old one is better..
Stopping down will bring the corners in..I hope..
No, this lens will never by high resolution except in the middle under any conditions. Looking at the MTFs on the Data Sheet for the new 28mm Summaron, I can see that its corner performance is quite poor, even stopping down to f/11 seems to offer almost no improvement. This truly is a character lens, with the main difference to the old version being less flare due to the improved coatings.
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No doubt.

Who needs an f5.6 lens these days with the light gathering capability of today's sensors?

Freakin f5.6 bokeh fetishistas.

I'm better and more practical since I stick to f8 lenses (insert quote about f8 from famous photographer here). I'll save money and it's all about the picture and dentists can buy these and what were Leica people thinking?

F5.6, psssh, so silly.
I enjoyed this.
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user report and samples here:

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/r...l/1030340.html
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What does a proper original 5.6/28 Summaron now cost? Has its price been rising?
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I can't let this thread die...

Review: http://news.mapcamera.com/k4l.php?itemid=30276
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No doubt.

Who needs an f5.6 lens these days with the light gathering capability of today's sensors?

Freakin f5.6 bokeh fetishistas.

I'm better and more practical since I stick to f8 lenses (insert quote about f8 from famous photographer here). I'll save money and it's all about the picture and dentists can buy these and what were Leica people thinking?

F5.6, psssh, so silly.
I think Adams & co were prescient when they founded the f64 group - whack an f64 lens on a Sony A7s and all's right with the world.
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I'm not kidding when I say that this lens makes me appreciate my Lomo 32mm 2.8 Art lens.
The look is so similar it is not even funny.
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I'm not kidding when I say that this lens makes me appreciate my Lomo 32mm 2.8 Art lens.
The look is so similar it is not even funny.
But this lens was made first...
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I can't let this thread die...

Review: http://news.mapcamera.com/k4l.php?itemid=30276
Unfortunately I understand the "English" version as well as I do the Japanese one - and my knowledge of Japanese is zero...
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Is this a native LTM lens with an M adapter?
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Old 12-02-2016   #175
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Erwin Puts seems to revitalize its web site with a 28mm test including the Summaron :
http://www.imx.nl/photo/blog/files/3...474768-63.html

http://www.imx.nl/photo/blog/files/0...700b37-64.html

http://www.imx.nl/photo/blog/files/5...027314-65.html

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Is this a native LTM lens with an M adapter?
No, it's standard M mount.
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Erm, how do you define «standard»?

… it does have «6-Bit Coding», that wasn't M mount «standard» just a couple of years ago, AFAIK
6-bit coding has nothing to do with mounting the lens. M-mount is M-mount... if it's an M-mount lens, you can mount it on a M-mount camera.
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Unfortunately I understand the "English" version as well as I do the Japanese one - and my knowledge of Japanese is zero...
Feel free to ignore it then...
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Old 12-09-2016   #179
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As more reviews with photos come online, I like the character of the lens.
That the price withers my eyeballs into raisins just means the lens will be Not Mine Anytime Soon. I'd love to do a bunch of work with it and Foma 100, Delta 100, and FP4.
Toss on some Portra, Pro 400H, Velvia, and Ektar and I'm happy.
Team the lens with the 3.8/24mm Elmar ASPH and wide angle character gets covered.
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I like the old timey look of it's imagery, but it makes me pine for the 2.5 50mm Hektor all the more, if I had to make choice for a recreation I would have chosen the Hektor first.

I would have liked to seen some black and white test examples.
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I've never considered the M bodies big, even the 240 is smaller than any Nikon.

I think the point is what the lens does, which is a way of drawing opposite the current crop from Leica. For all the gripes they must read here and elsewhere about how awful nearly everything they do now is, and how the current offerings are so far removed from their classic line, it seems like their nod to the classic line might be better received. No, it doesn't cost $175 like it did in 1958, but neither does anything else. I like this move into the archives, and hope it continues.
FYI $175 in 1958 dollars is $1,457.46 in 2016 dollars, so the $2,495.00 price of the new Summaron 28mm is over a thousand more than inflation would predict. Is multicoating really that expensive?
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This is surely the maddest thing even they ever made.
Which is kind of admirable.
Looking forward to a sighting of the digital M with no backscreen paired with this 28mm 5.6 mounted.
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FYI $175 in 1958 dollars is $1,457.46 in 2016 dollars, so the $2,495.00 price of the new Summaron 28mm is over a thousand more than inflation would predict. Is multicoating really that expensive?
Well, a new house avg price in 58 was $12,750 and nearly $360,000 today. Are double pane windows really that expensive?

Prices of all kinds of things are all over the place, hand assembly by people who make a living wage in a first world country requires a certain retail price. Can I afford one? Not right now. That Leica is looking at their history and embracing it seems like a good move, especially given how so many people constantly deride them for having made the digital M thicker and ignoring their heritage, etc, etc, blah blah blah. Nikon now makes some lenses out of plastic, with lens elements held in place with double stick tape. But they don't cost more plus inflation than the metal bodied pre Ai version. Few modern consumer goods are without compromise in quality or price.

It still costs less than the Summicron, which will outsell this specialty item ten-fold.
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Looking forward to a sighting of the digital M with no backscreen paired with this 28mm 5.6 mounted.
Here you go:


http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2016/1...6-lens-review/
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This lens is beautiful! The rendering is up to individual taste: someone likes it, others do not. The price is high.

If my income would be unlimited I'd buy one. But I have to keep my expenses under control...at least try to

Therefore I'll not buy it, but still think it's a beautiful piece !

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Quit knocking Leica. The fancy new buildings need to be paid for.
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Quit knocking Leica. The fancy new buildings need to be paid for.
The Leica boss already has that figured out. The buildings that they are using are owned by a company that he has financial interest in.
Very Trump-like, no?
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Maybe they should just close shop since they are so hopelessly out of touch with what we want.
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Who is we?
The assembled we who appear to know better than Leica what they should do. Tho they appear to be doing pretty well to my eyes.

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Maybe they should just close shop since they are so hopelessly out of touch with what we want.
You are making a joke, but I can imagine a scenario where the eastern market loses it's fetishistic interest, and at the same time there is a medium recession happening, and Leica is FORCED to close up shop. All their new products rely on the Luxury market and fashion can be fickle. That's why you had activists stopping trucks in China full of beautiful Tibetan Mastiffs, who were once 'all the rage' among the new money. Now they were on the way to a meat packing plant because the rich had moved on. (source: here)

Maybe the D-Lux products fill the gap. However, I think middle-class advanced amateurs/pros do their research and are quite price conscious. The world I imagine for Leica is one where they make an M at the current price levels, and the 262 at about $3500 bucks, and a lens like the 28/5.6 can be had for $1000.00+/-. No one who needs or wants a 5D Mark IV is considering a Leica in the same breath, but it would be good for Leica if they could. They make enough fancy one-offs and special products to have a fully fleshed out line up of goods for the ultra wealthy.
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I hate to say it..but that lens seems to produce the worse % of photos ever...tough focal length to use for general photography...as in..no bokeh..and then you have the general poor image quality..even worse than the original one...and...to boot.. its fiddley to use..
The only images that I saw that I liked so far were of high contrast close in subjects in bright light where the central resolution shines..
And I'm not a sharpness freak either...I don't look for that as rule..using the Noct as one of my fave lenses..
But while it is a cool lens in many respects..a blast from the past..and would be fun to use for a day or 2..I think once the honeymoon period is over..maybe 10 days...its just a collector item at best...looking good on the cam..but ultimately not worth it..
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So you mean that a lens has to have bokeh to be a good lens?
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Very easy to hate lens for the internet crowd... expensive, slow, etc. I bet Leica will still sell this though and not only to collectors. Some people can buy Leica lenses like I buy bottles of water.
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Very easy to hate lens for the internet crowd... expensive, slow, etc. I bet Leica will still sell this though and not only to collectors. Some people can buy Leica lenses like I buy bottles of water.
This. There's plenty of people who don't need the internet's opinion when it comes to spending their money. I'd be surprised if they aren't sold out already. The price is the only thing that irks me but it is what it is.
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I actually really wanted to like this lens..but for me to spend that much on something this limited...it better butter my biscuit pretty well...
The images I've seen..actually are quite poor in general imo..something about the way it renders...more than just the bokeh etc.
And...its not about charm..I don't see charm there..just ..boringness...its just well...another poor 28 from the past..and not in my eye..as good as the original..at least in internet renditions..
But...
I think they should have forgotton about this one..and just reissued the tiny pre 35mm f1.4 instead...that would have been a great seller for them..
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As good as knocking Rolex. The peasants complain, rich people gather on the waiting list.
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I have not yet tried this new 28 from Leica but since we're in a 28 discussion let me just say that in terms of strong character, the Elmarit 28 f2.8 V1 is so far my lens of choice along with the SA21.
Both lenses present the old school rendition that I love so much.
Agreed, I have a 9 element 28/2.8 as well and it's super cool.
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I have the original Summaron 5.6/28, from 1956. Leica had planned on making a bayonet mount but, never got around to it because the Canadian 2.8/28 was due to be released.

I've shot this lens on film and the M. The M has had a profile for the lens for a couple of years. The profile removes the red edge and vignetting. I've never noticed the red edge or vignetting. The lens is sharp on center and contrasty out to the edge of the vertical hight of the sensor frame. Corners are not so good but, for most stuff they are fine.

This is a fun little lens and can be picked up used for about $600. At least that is the last sale noted at Tamarkin auction in November, 2016. It was rated as excellent ++ Somebody got a nice lens.

I believe the value is in the original version, if you can find one in good optical condition. This lens seems to have a lot of copies with scratched, foggy and damaged optics. Also, Leica only made about 6000 of them, I believe.
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