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Best bokeh I've ever seen..
Old 11-22-2016   #1
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Best bokeh I've ever seen..

Was when I was driving home last night, and peered over the top of my glasses. The way everything when out of focus was just spectacular, with just a smooth soft transition, with no onion ring or moon clipped highlights.

So it made me think, what lens would be closest to this? The OOF human eye gives a very modern look (amusing considering how long we have been kicking around as a species), with no artifacts (at least I think that's how I see things!) which makes me think the closest camera lens I have to this would be my Leica 50mm 1.4 Asph or Minolta 58 1.2

What lens do 'you' think comes closest to the human eye's bokeh rendering?
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Old 11-22-2016   #2
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I suffer from astigmatism, so I certainly don't want a lens with my optical defects.
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Old 11-22-2016   #3
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Wouldn't each person's eyes be different?
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Wouldn't each person's eyes be different?
Most likely, yes.
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Old 11-22-2016   #5
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We humans place our attention on the high resolution vision afforded by the foveon. Playing around with my M7 viewfinder, my foveal vision field seems to best fit the 90mm frame lines. The rest is just peripheral vision, to warn us if something dangerous is coming at us from the outside field.

So, to my way of thinking the lens that most closely matches the human eye would be the Macro Elmar M 90mm f/4. Your eyes can focus closer than 0.7m, and so can this lens.
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SLR will always out see a RF. However it lacks other attributes.
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my out of focus circles resemble lotus seed heads. i wonder if it can be recreated in a photo with a mask stuck on a filter.
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Old 11-22-2016   #8
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The best bokeh that i ever seen came from a 19th century made Darlot of Paris Petzval lens of an undetermined focal length that had an image circle that barely covered a 4x5 negative.
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my out of focus circles resemble lotus seed heads. i wonder if it can be recreated in a photo with a mask stuck on a filter.
That's what I mean. Mine just are smooth circular blurs that melt away.
The closest I have to that is the Minolta 58 1.2

This personal exercise, to me , is quite interesting as it really demonstrates that what we see is not what we get once photographed, no matter how much attention is paid to composition/exposure/film etc.
But as others have pointed out, what they see could be very different than what I see.
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Old 11-22-2016   #10
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I once read that a 35mm lens at F2.8 was closest to human vision. That was one professional photographer's opinion.
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The best bokeh that i ever seen came from a 19th century made Darlot of Paris Petzval lens of an undetermined focal length that had an image circle that barely covered a 4x5 negative.
I am assuming Waterhouse stops? Maybe a circular aperture is key to mimicking the human eye bokeh.
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My eye bokeh is harsh. I dont get bokeh balls but rather star flares. Distracting with halo effects.
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I am assuming Waterhouse stops? Maybe a circular aperture is key to mimicking the human eye bokeh.
Yes, Waterhouse stops, plenty of the right field curvature, right background,and right light, subject, circumstance, plate or film coverage, type of glass used in lens, lens grinding accuracy and assembly fineness and formula used in its lens element computation, flare, type of emulsion on film, exposure time and of course luck.
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I suppose we are running out of photographic subjects
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By the way, the bokeh of my eyes seems kinda like the bokeh from Summitar. Weird, kinda spiral and beutiful in its own way
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Yes, Waterhouse stops, plenty of the right field curvature, right background,and right light, subject, circumstance, plate or film coverage, type of glass used in lens, lens grinding accuracy and assembly fineness and formula used in its lens element computation, flare, type of emulsion on film, exposure time and of course luck.

I took this with a 58mm 1.9 Petval using Waterhouse stops



Love it but my eye's bokeh looks nothing like that.
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Old 11-22-2016   #17
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I took this with a 58mm 1.9 Petval using Waterhouse stops

Love it but my eye's bokeh looks nothing like that.
Very nice photo !

I would love to see the world like that sometimes.
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Is there a surgeon, probably in the US, who could operate to give me vision that I could then boast is a bokeh-king, better than your vision? What about a high ISO retina. I'm unhappy with the banding and noise I get in complete darkness with my current eyes. And that's colour noise too mind you. What level of human eye noise are you comfortable with? At what ISO does it still show up in human prints? The other thing that bugs me is distortion. I just do no have flat retinae. And I can't get good focus without spectacles which put a different distortion over the spherical distortion of my lens and the the curved retinae. I know that God or somebody wrote self-correcting software to adjust for all this, even with multifocals, but mine was Made in England and I would really rather have a Made in Germany version but I just don't know if it's compatible with the rest of me. How would I tell it isn't just some Russian copy? Early versions like mine don't seem to have serial numbers which I guess would make authentication difficult.
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mine it would be some pre-war russian front focus shifted lens.
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My eyes can't focus to infinity. The bokeh has stars and I've also noticed that I get a double image from bright light sources. When I wear my glasses, they improve focus but sharpness, flare and contrast becomes poor.

Eyes must be the human equivalent of FSU optics, some great, some not so good.
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I'm very myopic ... about -6 and I wear contact lenses. Without them in my entire world is bokeh!
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I haven't heard of a lens that has floaters... or is that just dust and bits of string between the elements?
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I haven't heard of a lens that has floaters... or is that just dust and bits of string between the elements?
I did hear that bubbles meant a better quality lens
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I took this with a 58mm 1.9 Petval using Waterhouse stops



Love it but my eye's bokeh looks nothing like that.
This might be as close to what the human eye sees (at any one instant, it must be emphasized) as any photograph can depict. We see about a 1-2 degree zone of sharpness with the remainder of the field being un-sharp; it's only the marvel of rapid eye movement scanning the field at high speed, and the brain registering multiple 1-2 degree zones of sharp focus at extremely high speeds and stitching/focus-stacking them together to trick us into thinking that we're seeing a scene with multiple elements in focus. The ocular motor control and processing (both in terms of volume of data and speed) that is involved entirely humbles any feat of manmade engineering, including (dare I say) even the latest and greatest in photographic equipment.
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I took this with a 58mm 1.9 Petval using Waterhouse stops

Love it but my eye's bokeh looks nothing like that.
Just guzzle a bottle of whiskey in 10 minutes, and crawl out to a leaf pile. You'll see it
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I can't comment of what you see as bokeh if wearing glasses, yet, but I'm getting close to it year by year.
As of now the bokeh my eyes gives me is not 50 1.2 or more extreme 200 f4 with total smoothness of background.



I would say it is more like 50 2.8 to me on background bokeh, with UWA FoV. Of J-3, I-26M or any other lens with round aperture opening, which is same as "aperture" shape of human eye.
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My eyes can't focus to infinity. The bokeh has stars and I've also noticed that I get a double image from bright light sources. When I wear my glasses, they improve focus but sharpness, flare and contrast becomes poor.

Eyes must be the human equivalent of FSU optics, some great, some not so good.
Problably need some shimming?
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Whenever I feel the need for Summilux bokeh, I just take my glasses off.
Saves the price of a Summi!
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Was when I was driving home last night, and peered over the top of my glasses. The way everything when out of focus was just spectacular, with just a smooth soft transition, with no onion ring or moon clipped highlights.
Surely you mean "best bokeh you've not seen"?

Umm, you don't make a habit of looking over the top of your glasses while driving, do you?
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I'm very myopic ... about -6 and I wear contact lenses. Without them in my entire world is bokeh!
Keith, I know what you mean. My eyesight is currently around -8,75 (left) and -9,5 (right). It has been getting better with old age. In my youth it was -12!!!! My eye doctor told me that it would improve -but to get 20-20 eyesight I should try to live to 300 years of age! One advantage is the really sharp close up vision (3-4" inches). Comes in handy at camera swap meet -remove the glasses and peer closely -you can see even minute flaws in the finish.
Also without glasses - it is all bokeh!!!!!
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I am very surprised that nobody has mentioned the Nikon DC series or the Sony 135mm STF. In particular the latter which is the technical definition of "perfectly smooth" bokeh, in the sense that the OOF circles don't have any hard edges at all.
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Surely you mean "best bokeh you've not seen"?

Umm, you don't make a habit of looking over the top of your glasses while driving, do you?

1/ No

2/ I was stopped at a traffic light.
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Keith, I know what you mean. My eyesight is currently around -8,75 (left) and -9,5 (right). It has been getting better with old age. In my youth it was -12!!!! My eye doctor told me that it would improve -but to get 20-20 eyesight I should try to live to 300 years of age! One advantage is the really sharp close up vision (3-4" inches). Comes in handy at camera swap meet -remove the glasses and peer closely -you can see even minute flaws in the finish.
Also without glasses - it is all bokeh!!!!!

Indeed Tom ... without my contacts in detail at close quarters is amazing, provided my nose is a few inches away from what I'm looking at!
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