Old 09-19-2016   #41
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... for each $8,000 camera they sell you are expected to upgrade in 5 years or so (with older models no longer serviceable), while the film cameras you keep for a lifetime. ...
As far as I can tell, M8s are still being serviced, other than the LCD panel which is no longer available. M9s too. So that's service running back about a decade now, the M9 is seven years old too. I've heard nothing about discontinuing any of these service offerings yet either. Batteries, chargers, etc, all still available new.

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The FIND lab, Indie Film Lab, Little Film Lab, State Film, Richard Photo Lab, ProDPI, North Coast Photographic Services, etc etc...
It might suffice to have Leica recommend one of the above labs, either on their website or from their personnel at the Leica stores. Using Leica as a middle-man between photographer and processing lab is unnecessary and is just another rung on the pricing ladder in my opinion.
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As far as I can tell, M8s are still being serviced, other than the LCD panel which is no longer available. M9s too. So that's service running back about a decade now, the M9 is seven years old too. I've heard nothing about discontinuing any of these service offerings yet either. Batteries, chargers, etc, all still available new.

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Hi Godrey,

I was referring to mainly the DMR ($5995 when new), and yes also the M8's LCD panel and cover glass.

(Although not digital, the Made in Germany Leica CM, which was released in 2004 and discontinued in 2007, was no longer serviceable in 2008.)

These are natural occurrence for any digital/electronic products, as no longer could manufactures make every components in-house - which is fully understandable. Not even Leica could go against the tide.

This is drifting away from the main topic so I'd just stop here.


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It might suffice to have Leica recommend one of the above labs, either on their website or from their personnel at the Leica stores. Using Leica as a middle-man between photographer and processing lab is unnecessary and is just another rung on the pricing ladder in my opinion.
Now that's the most sound move possible for Leica! Would certainly welcome that.
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The FIND lab, Indie Film Lab, Little Film Lab, State Film, Richard Photo Lab, ProDPI, North Coast Photographic Services, etc etc...
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It might suffice to have Leica recommend one of the above labs, either on their website or from their personnel at the Leica stores.
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Now that's the most sound move possible for Leica! Would certainly welcome that.
I did mention that, sentence #2, in the post that started this thread


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Even if they just collect it and ship it out to a contracted vendor.
Of course there are already labs that people ship film to, but the vast majority of people do not know of this service. Hence the response when people see me shoot film about not knowing film still existed and/or did not know you could get it processed anymore. Even Costco in the US pulled the plug on film processing last year.

Leica offering a film service of sorts creates promotion and awareness of film usage for everyone. They are still making spare parts for Leica cameras from 60 years ago, no other camera mfg does that. It demonstrates a company that respects tradition of the original process.
No-one is buying Leica's cameras that are not the M , Q or SL. Maybe even the S. The rebadged Panasonics and the T collect dust as they are the victim of smart phones, just like the rest of the consumer digital camera industry.
Fuji and Olympus have not made a profit in aeons selling digital camera equipment. Sony makes it's digital imaging money from selling sensors to other mfgs and their CCTV systems. Canon's and Nikon's profits shrink every year with no signs of abating.
The consumer digital market will be dead soon to non smart phones. What will be left is the luxury/pro camera end and.... film users.
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For starters, they should have film in stock in their stores!
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There's no way I would pay $150.00 to have a roll of film processed!
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Of course there are already labs that people ship film to, but the vast majority of people do not know of this service. Hence the response when people see me shoot film about not knowing film still existed and/or did not know you could get it processed anymore. Even Costco in the US pulled the plug on film processing last year.
Lets keep it quiet people (about film still being processed), so film cameras prices remains low
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If Leica USA's film processing is anything like their M9 sensor replacement, it'll take six months before you get your film back.

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Maybe some of the members of the forum should offer their services to develop films. I do not believe the professional labs left are doing a great job. I can see photos developed here by members and are superb (I know, the photographer etc.) but their quality is consistent. Not the same at the labs. That could be a good source income.
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In it's Leica Shops. Even if they just collect it and ship it out to a contracted vendor. It will give people more reason to shoot film, Leica has three current production film cameras, it will draw more people into their stores, Leica users or not.

Digital is dieing in the non pro market thanks to smart phones. Film, while a niche market, is showing resurgence. Leica is a niche player no matter what. This will connect them directly to being all about photography. It will link their past to their, and photographers, future.

It has to be a quality service, not the junk that was offered in drug stores in the past. It can be offered for a reasonable price, considering that places like northcoastphoto etc can do it for a reasonable price with high quality.
good idea
except they would charge Leica prices
$100+ for a developed and printed 24 exposure roll

but then if the prints came preworn ala Lenny Kravitz it might be worth it
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good idea
except they would charge Leica prices
$100+ for a developed and printed 24 exposure roll

but then if the prints came preworn ala Lenny Kravitz it might be worth it
Who doesn't like prints with patina?
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Maybe some of the members of the forum should offer their services to develop films. I do not believe the professional labs left are doing a great job. I can see photos developed here by members and are superb (I know, the photographer etc.) but their quality is consistent. Not the same at the labs. That could be a good source income.
What pro labs aren't doing a good job? Indie Film Lab, FIND Lab, PPI, RPL, PhotoVision, etc are all outstanding.
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Why not Leica make a scanning jig for whatever cameras?

Piecing together old copy stands, light sources and holders are a bit of a pain- then inverting and post processing..
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Leica will process your roll...$300- for color..$600- for B&W...
$500- more for deckle cut edges...just like the 50's...
Enlargements...
5x7 $400- ea
8x10 $800- ea
11x14 $1600- ea
16x20 and up...your 1st newborn child..
Double for B&W...
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Leica will process your roll...$300- for color..$600- for B&W...
$500- more for deckle cut edges...just like the 50's...
Enlargements...
5x7 $400- ea
8x10 $800- ea
11x14 $1600- ea
16x20 and up...your 1st newborn child..
Double for B&W...
VAT included?
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If Leica offered film processing you would have to buy your film from Leica at greatly inflated prices, send it to Germany for developing, wait three months to get it back, have all your emails ignored, and take out a loan to pay for it.

Or, you could buy the chemicals and develop it yourself in an hour for a pittance.
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Do u apply that logic to other items? Should fuel be free if you pay over a certain amount for a car?

It SHOULD NOT but would be a good marketing trick :-)
Volvo lease gives me free oil changes. Probably doable for them for $450/months :-)
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Two newborn children?
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Cameta Camera on Long Island has bought a new c-41 processing machine within the last year. They process a LOT of disposable cameras and some c-41 film, including crossprocessing. Only $4/roll to process only. All my c41 films go there.
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I think that would be a great idea! Honestly.

Leica constantly states that it's all about photography and they provide a pretty complete offer: photo books, workshops, all kind of lenses and many different kinds of cameras.

A film developing service would perfectly fit to that.

But I see the following problem: in order to keep their high standard, they cannot use a discounter lab but would need to partner up with a pro lab (such as Studio 13 in Germany) and thus would have to ask for rather high prices.
The likely reaction in internet forums would be a price comparison between "Leica Development Service" and the discounter lab, resulting in the usual tagging as "way too expensive". And if they used some cheap lab with perhaps low-quality results? I can already hear the uproar in the net.
Some kind of dilemma there, I guess.
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The Leica Store in Geneva, Switzerland has a film processing and printing service: http://www.leica-store-geneve.ch/201...enez-profiter/
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There's no way I would pay $150.00 to have a roll of film processed!
Reread $1.50.

This was a big profit center.

My Leica dealer obtained a printer and made color prints middle 1980.
He did a superb job. Colonial Camera, La Grange , Illinois
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Red dot processing for most of a city with an interest would work for volume giving quality and expertise and economy. Sydney no longer has Van Bar. Presumably some are sending to Melbourne. I'll volunteer Melbourne.....
Depends what you want: Melbourne for full service, but there's also Frankston and Mornington for C41; Frankston may also do reversal.
Mornington works for me.
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Speaking of processing film. Are processing machines still being made? Is there service support for machines a few years old? Just wondering. I don't know for sure but didn't these automated C41 processing machines price out at over $200K?
Yes, new processing machines are still / again being made. E.g. from manufacturers like Fujifilm, Noritsu, Hostert, Technolab, Jobo.

There are also companies who have specialised in refurbishing processing and printing machines, like Saal. There you can get "like-new" machines.

There are also some companies which have their focus on producing spare parts for all machines of the major manufacturers.

So there are no big problems in this market. All you need to keep your lab running or to establish a new lab are there.

Cheers, Jan

P.S.: I also think a development service offered by Leica stores could be a success, if Leica make partnerships with the best labs in the Leica store countries (like Photo Studio 13 in Germany).
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We have established some European Leica stores have a printing service. Do they do it in house? Chances are they farm it out.

It's hardly convenient: how many Leica stores are there?

The stores would have to sell film; preferably of their own branding. Otherwise what's the point? Works for Lomo, why not Leica?

Personally, if the prints came back in a velvet envelope I'd be tempted.
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In it's Leica Shops. Even if they just collect it and ship it out to a contracted vendor. It will give people more reason to shoot film, Leica has three current production film cameras, it will draw more people into their stores, Leica users or not.

Digital is dieing in the non pro market thanks to smart phones. Film, while a niche market, is showing resurgence. Leica is a niche player no matter what. This will connect them directly to being all about photography. It will link their past to their, and photographers, future.

It has to be a quality service, not the junk that was offered in drug stores in the past. It can be offered for a reasonable price, considering that places like northcoastphoto etc can do it for a reasonable price with high quality.
Could it be successful, if Leica would be offering film processing and silver-halide prints in their Leica stores?
Yes, probably, if they are doing it right:
1. Make partnerships in the specific countries where the Leica stores are located with the best labs.
2. Best labs means high-quality labs with reasonable costs. There are quit a lot of it.
For example in the US: AgX Imaging, Dwaynes, The darkroom, North Coast Photographic services.
In Spain Interphoto.
In Germany Photo Studio 13.
In Austria Fayer.
In Italy Agenzia Luce.
In Singapore Analog Film Lab.
And so on.
3. Leica should avoid the overpriced labs like Indie Film lab, FIND lab, Carmencita etc. Despite their much too high prices they also have only a very limited programme of lab services (they are more scanning services than real full service labs).
4. Leica is already offering their own branded Instax film for the Leica Sofort. They should also add high quality films from Fujifilm, Ilford, Kodak, Adox selling in the Leica stores. So they can offer more service to their customers.
5. By offering films, processing, prints Leica could intensify the relationship to their customers: Their customers will come much more often to the Leica stores! The more often their customers come to their stores, the higher the possibility to sell more Leica equipment to them.
6. The additional services around film can strengthen the cash-flow of the shops.

The strong decline of the digital camera market will also affect Leica in the coming years.
To profit from the film revival and be an active part of it (or even a driving force) could be one part of the global strategy to handle the problems in the digital camera market.
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