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iPhone 7 plus - computational Bokeh
Old 09-29-2016   #1
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iPhone 7 plus - computational Bokeh

Here's some examples of the dual lens computational DoF/Bokeh using
iOS 10.1


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/28/...-field-photos/
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Old 09-29-2016   #2
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While it's not perfect (but I'm sure it will get much much better very quickly) it is pretty incredible. The old adage that the problem with small sensors/phones is that there is no OOF areas is gone.
Another thing is that this can do it in bright sunlight with no need for ND filters etc.

Real consumer digital cameras are dead.
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I think the real power of this process will be to open it up to third-party developers. I'm waiting for computational DoF for video. Shooting a 55mm equivalent lens in bright sunshine in 4k high-bitrate with no ND filters...terrific. AND...if we can manually adjust the shutter to 1/50 second, it'll kill camcorders.
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Can you imagine "Blair Witch Project" shaky-cam with beautiful bokeh? lol
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I have to admit, that artificial bokeh looks pretty good.

Fairly soon there will be single computer programs with a selection of different style bokeh to choose from, like faux Zeiss Sonnar 5cm f1.5 bokeh, Petzval bokeh , 58mm Primoplan bokeh, 58 mm Helios 44-2 bokeh, 5cm Summar bokeh, classic 5cm Summarit bokeh, Cooke Amotal bokeh etc.

Something in the same vein these days are totally solid state Modelling Amplifiers for electric guitars. They do somewhat give you an artificial taste in sound of the great classic and historic tube (valve) amps of the past.
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Yay, selfies with shallow depth of feild
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xayraa33, seems different lens bokeh styles would be only an app developer away.

Fjäll...I understand the sarcasm, but as a point of fact, the front camera won't have this affect. So no shallow DoF selfies. Maybe iPhone 8 Plus
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Selfies need depth of field, don't they? I tried to take one but I missed half my head...
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xayraa33, seems different lens bokeh styles would be only an app developer away.

Fjäll...I understand the sarcasm, but as a point of fact, the front camera won't have this affect. So no shallow DoF selfies. Maybe iPhone 8 Plus
Jokes aside. While I like the images I can't help to think where we're heading with this technology. If it's for the better or worse. Certainly more convenient but that philosophy certainly didn't lead me to shoot vintage rangefinders. I believe limitations and restrictions somewhat fuels the creative process.
I'm not comparing it to any other camera or philosophy, but I think it's sad it will replace them.
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It's pretty cool but from what I hear it only works in "perfect" situations but this is just the beginning. I'm sure with future firmware updates and everything it'll continue to get better. I think with the latest round of phone updates they have more or less killed off consumer point and shoot cameras for all intents and purposes.
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These are surprising! I thought it was only going to work on faces. I'm hearing reports that it's still a bit glitchy—weird OOF areas in the wrong place, and the like—but it seems like a great portable tool. I'm looking forward to it.
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This won't happen until the front facing camera has 2 lenses/sensors

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I thought any phone gives some bokeh already.
Here is how my 5s does it.
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These are surprising! I thought it was only going to work on faces. I'm hearing reports that it's still a bit glitchy—weird OOF areas in the wrong place, and the like—but it seems like a great portable tool. I'm looking forward to it.
You also need the iPhone 7 version that is about as big (though not as thick) as a camera with a fast lens.

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Jokes aside. While I like the images I can't help to think where we're heading with this technology. If it's for the better or worse. ......
This is how I feel about PhotoShop.....

My guess is that you will start to see some photo editing software plugins that will give you some ability to do the same, but with a bit more interaction (read a lot more at first).

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I think with the latest round of phone updates they have more or less killed off consumer point and shoot cameras for all intents and purposes.
That has been done so many times already that I have lost count. It may surely happen again to some degree.
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I thought any phone gives some bokeh already.
Here is how my 5s does it.
It's adequate indeed. My Samsung sports an f1.7
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Photo innovations are coming from smart phones:
- Nokia: 41MPx sensor delivers 5PMx resolution even when digital-zoomed
- iPhone: Flash that adjusts color to make ambient white balance
- And now, two lenses, digital bokeh.

Surprised that Camera vendors haven't copied, especially the 2nd. I wonder why not?
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Remember that DOF depends on entry pupil size. Smart phones give tremendous DOF, that's their advantage.

With all respect, the iPhone 5 photo above is nice, but to me it's demo of how much DOF they deliver, not how much they can blur the background.
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nah, I am not convinced... It's ok'ish as shallow DOF in general, but bokeh? when I see something close to at least this, then maybe...

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Jokes aside. While I like the images I can't help to think where we're heading with this technology. If it's for the better or worse. Certainly more convenient but that philosophy certainly didn't lead me to shoot vintage rangefinders. I believe limitations and restrictions somewhat fuels the creative process.
I'm not comparing it to any other camera or philosophy, but I think it's sad it will replace them.
I suppose its the SLR vs Rangefinder, analog vs digital scenario. Now it is mobile vs cameras scenario.

The fact that I (and a lot other people) still shoot film proves that there is still people that like to choose what they are attracted to, what give them more pleasure or fun, no necessarily to the more practical and economical option.

The recent re surge of film, even though it is an expensive, impractical, slow and most likely ecological unfriendly media, proves that new technologies doesn't kill the old ones, just make them less popular or niche products, mainly because the old ones stop being the only option and become one alongside other options.

For people focused on the image themselves, Iphone's and other mobiles will prove an unrivaled tool for creativity. For people that enjoys handling equipment, taking the time to create the image on their mind, develop and create an image, cameras (both digital and analog) will still be the tool of choice.

I think the technology is heading in the right direction. Not sure if it is a direction I will follow though .


Back on topic, I find theres is still work to be done on the bokeh, but still looks pleasant. I think we soon will see specialty bokeh filters, to emulate popular lens bokeh. I think that could be great.
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nah, I am not convinced... It's ok'ish as shallow DOF in general, but bokeh? when I see something close to at least this, then maybe...


What lens did that? Very nice.
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There is a difference between OOF and bokeh. Right now the iphone7 is showing OOF.

This is bokeh courtesy of the Petzal 58 bokeh control lens:

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What lens did that? Very nice.
That is not mine... just found on flickr, it says it is CZ 85/1.4...
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Remember that DOF depends on entry pupil size. Smart phones give tremendous DOF, that's their advantage.

With all respect, the iPhone 5 photo above is nice, but to me it's demo of how much DOF they deliver, not how much they can blur the background.
I did not even think of bokeh (never do anyway) as I was trying to get a picture of this interesting creature.
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Pretty cool for a telephone.
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Pretty cool for a telephone.
+1 , for a telephone, thats it.
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Whether you like their products or not, Apple is a disruptor. How easy would it be for Canon or Nikon to build a compact camera with two lenses (Looking like a 3D camera) with two 1" sensors and a chip for computational processing? It'd be head and shoulders above a phone with its tiny sensor(s)...and be much better in low light (as well as video).

Now take it one step further...a Sony RX100-sized camera with one of the two lenses a good optical zoom.

The camera companies didn't think of this, because their point of reference is the hundred-plus year old idea of what a camera is or should be.
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iOS 10.1 is now available

Here an example
My usual models were occupied so I had to improvise

Pardon the large versions - not sure how to link smaller versions from Photobucket
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That is not mine... just found on flickr, it says it is CZ 85/1.4...
Sure, let's compare the history of camera lenses vs. Apple's first attempt a phone with bokeh.
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