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Old 03-09-2016   #81
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Actually, that could kinda work on modern CMOS sensors right? It's pretty much the native base sensitivity then digitally pushing it. So M-D could even skip ISO setting all together and you'd just push.
Completely... eventually I think this will be the norm across the board.
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Old 03-09-2016   #82
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For a more film-like experience, the camera could be limited to one ISO setting. You could buy the ISO 400 model or the ISO 100 model. For a premium price, you could get the ISO 1600 "push" model.
This will never happen. Increasing ISO only amplifies the global luminance after the shutter closes. All digital photographs are recorded at base ISO (100 or 200 depending on the data stream design). With current sensor technologies base ISO will always be 100 or 200.

For raw shooters this problem is solved. Any camera with an ISO invariant data stream (i.e., electronic read noise due to analog signal amplification is not a function of ISO) can be used at base ISO all the time. The global luminance can be pushed during raw rendering. For most ISO-inavaiant cameras at least three stop post-production push (200 to 1600) provides excellent results. Oddly this is somewhat like the film experience as the sensor is often underexposed which means chimping is futile.

For JPEG users you idea would be practical, but extremely unpopular.
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• M Type 262 size, VF/RF, overall aesthetics like stepped top plate.
What the hell is a stepped top plate? I've heard talk about this before, but can't for the life of me figure out what it means.
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I'd just like a silver chrome 262.
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What the hell is a stepped top plate? I've heard talk about this before, but can't for the life of me figure out what it means.
I think it refers to the step next to the shutter dial:

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I think it refers to the step next to the shutter dial:
But every Leica M has that, right? I always hear it used as if some digital M's didn't have the stepped plate? Confusing...
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Is the step on the viewfinder side M9 style, the M240 doesn´t have it.
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Is the step on the viewfinder side M9 style, the M240 doesn´t have it.

what is it used for?
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That could be it giulio.
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I always believed the "step" is the step down next to the viewfinder window on the right in the above picture. It's where the rewind knob is on all the film Leica M cameras. There wasn't that step on the M8 and M8.2. It first appeared on the M9 with all its variations, then disappeared when the Leica M digital came out. I guess it's back on newer variations of the Leica M digital.
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Yeah at least that's what I was referring to: step next to VF.

I like that step on M9 and M 262 personally.

Maybe they can bring back the M3/2 style knob there and use that for exp comp or smething.
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what is it used for?
In the M240 that where the microphone goes.
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Others have already pointed out the step. It's literally a 'step' on the top plate next to the VF.

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What the hell is a stepped top plate? I've heard talk about this before, but can't for the life of me figure out what it means.
Style. Just like all film M's where the rewind knob was located. Never liked the flat look of the M8 or M240 top plate. The 'step' just looks right.

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So, it's March 10th, anybody seen it yet??
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March 10th looks great our here in the heartland, no new leicas though.....

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It was for March 10th. But year wasn't specified.
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Wow, I don't get on the forum regularly and this is kind of interesting. But unfortunately, with all this talk about Q electronics, EVF, etc., I am betting that Leica will again miss what I am looking for.

I just want a camera with manual controls (including a frameline lever and ISO) and FF like my MPs. Until then, I'll just keep the M8. How many variants have we had now of digital Ms?

I can't quite put my finger on it. But, it seems like Leica is just "rolling dice" when they pick a product configuration. Of course, if they are making money, who I am to criticize?

In retrospect, I should have bought an M9 but I suspected that given the same basic electronics as the M8 that the M9 would choke on the bigger files. (My M8 can seemingly handle 10MB just good enough.)
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You might want to try the M 262?
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Sooo...any new news on the Leica M-D announcement thing?

...or is Leica Corporate awaiting the results of today's primaries?

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Maybe the introduction date is April 1st.
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Maybe the introduction date is April 1st.
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To use an analogy from writing there is Handwriting, and writing on a Computer. Handwriting is forward "thinking" you write and don't stop until you're finished you make mistakes etc... Writing on a PC is backward writing you write and you constantly check for mistakes because you see them and you can correct them immediately. There are advantages to both approaches. But the single biggest advantage of writing by hand is the flow once you're in the flow you don't stop until you have finished the paragraph, text, sentence. Rarely so with a computer. The disadvantage of handwriting is that you have to correct a lot and unless you have beautiful handwriting you have to type the text into a computer anyway.
The same thing applies to LCD screens without screen you don't check whether the image went well you are in an uninterrupted flow but you have the same disadvantage as handwrinting you have to edit later.
Personaly I prefer having a flow that's why I believe this camera to be a winner but different kinds of photographers have different needs, same with writers. Leica now gives the photographer a choice a Camera without LCD will not be interesting to a lot of people but on the other hand will be interesting to a lot of people. Those who don't get it will never get it because they have different needs as those who get it and will use it.
Dominik, I really like this analogy. It fits for me. I never really learned to write. I did learn to print at least. But, this is exactly the problem I have writing. Maybe it doesn't fit everybody. But it certainly reflects my "flow" problem in writing.
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That makes the most sense.
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There is an awful lot of pent up grousing among members here about why we don't like this camera that we were never going to buy anyway.
We can't wait much longer to complain about this camera, whatever it is. Leica hear us, and reveal it already! Our cup runneth over with pre-fab complaints. Too expensive for sure; lets get that out of the way now! And that sensor! It's 2016! Not enough megapickles!
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Watch this video & change the term BMW & replace it with the word Leica.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGE6roEThig
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Watch this video & change the term BMW & replace it with the word Leica.
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Looks great. Really, all I ask for is a digital M2. No screen, just replace the film with a digital sensor with good dynamic range. And as axiom mentioned, reduce the digital M bloat.
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Looks great. Really, all I ask for is a digital M2. No screen, just replace the film with a digital sensor with good dynamic range. And as axiom mentioned, reduce the digital M bloat.

Ditto, but, for me, change M2 to M6
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All I want is the economic advantage of digital, (no film costs), with the simplicity of an M6. With a histogram inside the the viewfinder that can be turned on/off.
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There is an awful lot of pent up grousing among members here about why we don't like this camera that we were never going to buy anyway.
We can't wait much longer to complain about this camera, whatever it is. Leica hear us, and reveal it already! Our cup runneth over with pre-fab complaints. Too expensive for sure; lets get that out of the way now! And that sensor! It's 2016! Not enough megapickles!
Perfect. Sums it up.
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I’ll happily admit to being a clueless photographer, but I find the LCD an advance of digital photography which expands our creative options.
Chimping which you refer to is the least important part.

As i said, whenever I find nostalgia creeping up to the extent of rejecting all advances of the last decade and a half, I will leave my digital gear at home and take my M6, M3 or iiif, depending on the level of Luddism I feel at the time. No need to castrate a modern camera.
I wonder if they'll put a histogram in the viewfinder
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I knew it wouldn't be cheaper... but closer to M size is very cool. Looks like Leica is stuck with this sensor for awhile, so they are doing a Fuji and making a bunch of derivatives while they await a new sensor.
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No way it's going to be smaller than the other digital Ms. It will have the same foot print, they are not going to spend money on tooling on a camera that very very few people will buy.

And yet, I hope I am proven wrong!
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I bet Huss is right.
Still, its interesting how "size" gets included in the rumor...
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No way it's going to be smaller than the other digital Ms. It will have the same foot print, they are not going to spend money on tooling on a camera that very very few people will buy.

And yet, I hope I am proven wrong!
I was under the impression that Leica's bodies aren't tooled anymore - they're all cranked out on automated mills. Squirt new code into the mill...
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I bet Huss is right.
Still, its interesting how "size" gets included in the rumor...
Could be caused by cold water shrinkage.....but more than likely the effective cost increase (less functions with same/slightly higher price) is how they are paying for the tooling changes.

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