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Old 02-24-2016   #1
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Film is getting expensive

It is about 6.5 bucks for a single roll of Ilford on ebay. It is getting to be a really expensive hobby.

Is it the same at the rest of the world?
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A single roll of Ilford Hp5 here in Oz is about thirteen dollars last time I looked.
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Have you checked Adorama or B&H
in Adorama, a roll of hp5 will cost you $4.5 if you buy 50roll-pack
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I think film photography is an amazingly cheap hobby.
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Its around 4.75€ for HP5 hereabouts - if the above price does not include shipping, German mail orders would be cheaper. And buying single rolls by mail never has been a good idea - buy in batches of 20 or more, and shipping grows into a negligible quantity.
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If you live in a country with a market of high resourcefulness, try to find them in stores instead of eBay, you should be able to find cheaper films.
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It's about £5 a roll here in the UK for HP5. It's insane that its cheaper for me to buy Ilford and Kentmere from Germany and have it sent back to England.
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Yes, same for me. I live in Sweden, and buy my film at macodirect.de. Get about half the price compared incl. shipping to Sweden. Why?
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It's about £5 a roll here in the UK for HP5. It's insane that its cheaper for me to buy Ilford and Kentmere from Germany and have it sent back to England.
I noticed the same on my last vacation in Scotland, last summer: Ilford film cost in shops was about double in UK, where it's made, than over here in Italy.
XP2 at Jessops in Inverness was priced a whopping 10 Pounds Vs. 6-7€ over here.
And, as far as I know, VAT is not higher.
Really crazy!
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In Canada a role of Tri-X at Henry's is $15. It's $5 at Adorama. Way cheaper for me to order from the States and get it shipped to Newfoundland even with Canadian dollar at $.72 USD. Nuts.
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Yes, same for me. I live in Sweden, and buy my film at macodirect.de. Get about half the price compared incl. shipping to Sweden. Why?
Off the main trading route, fewer merchants, higher salesmen salary, plus "nothing is cheap" national trait.

BTW: photax.se is one of the cheaper/reasonable seller I found in Sweden.
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There are certainly weird 'outlier' prices to be found for some films – especially if buying single rolls (for example, I'm sure I've seen Kodak Gold for more than a tenner) – but, if you shop around, prices are ok for Ilford and Kodak. I can still buy T-max 100 by the roll for £3.99, Ektar and Tri-X for £5, Delta 100 for £5.29 and 5 packs of Portra 160 for £25 or 400 for £30. This is from mainstream dealers not eBay sellers. Of course, if you are not fussy (or prefer the look) it is not difficult to get even cheaper film such as Kentmere (rebranded Ilford) or Agfa Vista (rebranded Fujicolor). It doesn't need to be an expensive pastime.
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I pay 110 Baht for a roll of Kodak Pro Color 100 and it's about 35 baht to 1 USD, so it's about $3.50 a roll. I think I could probably get it cheaper if I ordered it online but I like my local lab and don't mind supporting them.

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Thanks for writing the sites, especially the macodirect.de, which is closer to me. Although it says shipping is 24 EUR, cost per roll can be cheaper when buying large amounts.

I cant believe it costs 15 bucks at Henrys! It used to be 3-4 bucks a roll when I was there in 2009. Am I wrong?

p.s. I can find some shops selling online locally (in Turkey) but they are more expensive, about 8.5$ per roll and it doesnt matter how many you order.
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b&h prices are as good as it gets. Still expensive. But for me, living in New Jersey, if I buy over $100, shipping is free. If I ship the film to my house, I don't have to pay NY or NJ tax on it. It's a pretty good deal (as good as it's going to get, anyway). Still, I've shot kentmere if I know I'm just shooting for hobby instead of for my portfolio. Kentmere and Arista 400 are affordable--the 100 speed even moreso. If you are mostly a hobbyist, why not see what kind of results you can get playing around with different combos? If speed isn't a factor for you I would definitely try a slower film.

I started a budget film thread around here somewhere called, "Why shoot Tri-x"

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Who is buying regular film on e-bay? It was always priced out of reality.
Personally, I stopped buying film as individual rolls as soon as I re-entered photography in bw.
I have one bulk of Ilford HP5 loaded in September. It is end of February now.
And I'm not limiting my self with film use. At all.
So, for under two American dollars per roll, as it cost for me, I wouldn't call it expensive.
Kodak TRI-X is.
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I still shoot lots of Tri-X (from B&H), but lately I'm loading my own Kodak 5222 (Double-X) 35mm motion picture camera film. Here in the States it goes for about $275 for a 400ft roll. Comes out about a dollar per roll cheaper than Tri-X.
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I still shoot lots of Tri-X (from B&H), but lately I'm loading my own Kodak 5222 (Double-X) 35mm motion picture camera film. Here in the States it goes for about $275 for a 400ft roll. Comes out about a dollar per roll cheaper than Tri-X.
Hey Timmyjoe, what speed are you shooting your double x at and what is your preferred developer for that speed? I'm just bought 10 rolls of it to see if I like it enough to buy in bulk.

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It is about 6.5 bucks for a single roll of Ilford on ebay. It is getting to be a really expensive hobby.

Is it the same at the rest of the world?
No, it is not the same in the rest of the world:
1. Considering inflation for a correct economic assessment, lots of film types are today even cheaper than 20-30 years ago.
2. Ebay (and Amazon) are mostly the worst and most expensive sources for film.
3. As you are in Turkey, go for European online distributors (most of them are shipping internationally), like Fotoimpex.de or ars-imago.com or macodirect.de.
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I don't buy much film because I have a massive stash of expired film to burn through.

But when I do, Freestyle is my go-to.

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/

I have not yet purchased Ultrafine film, but if I decide to do it, this looks like the link:

http://www.ultrafineonline.com/photography.html

I found this list useful as well. It's relatively recent:

http://istillshootfilm.org/post/2412...online-updated

As to prices, well, they are what they are. The market continues to contract, albeit at a slower pace now that the mass consumer film market no longer exists at all. I expect to see stability at some point, but the choices will be limited and the prices will be relatively higher. That's something we have to just get used to.

Someone will chime in soon and accuse those nasty old big corporations of being greedy and selfish (eyeroll) but in reality, smaller markets and less competition means higher prices. That's just the way it goes.

I'll keep shooting film as long as it brings me enjoyment and I can afford to buy film. When it's over, it's over; either due to lack of film or lack of desire on my part to pay $$$ for a roll of the stuff.
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well bulk is a good idea. I intended to do so and even bought the loader but then I heard that the cassettes time to time opening if you are not carefully closing them etc. So that possibility prevented me to go into the bulk business.

I checked the prices at the german site. If I buy 20 rolls of APX, the price comes down to 4.6 USD.

Well you should also consider that it is also the value of USD in our countries made the prices more expensive in the local currency.
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Hey Timmyjoe, what speed are you shooting your double x at and what is your preferred developer for that speed? I'm just bought 10 rolls of it to see if I like it enough to buy in bulk.

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Jon, do a search on this site for the thread about shooting Kodak Double-X (5222) in a Leica M. It goes into great detail about all the different developers and how they work at different film speeds.

Personally I shoot it at either ISO 320 or ISO 1600, and process it in D-76 or HC-110, and in an emergency, I'll use Rodinal (but the grain gets intrusive).
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Jon, do a search on this site for the thread about shooting Kodak Double-X (5222) in a Leica M. It goes into great detail about all the different developers and how they work at different film speeds.

Personally I shoot it at either ISO 320 or ISO 1600, and process it in D-76 or HC-110, and in an emergency, I'll use Rodinal (but the grain gets intrusive).
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I wouldn't rule out bulk loading.
Check to see what the price of 100' roll of HP5 is.
Here a 100' roll is $58.
Cassettes are easy to get, I use Kodak snap-cap 135 and they are very nice, as well metal generic ones.

If you plan on shooting a lot of film it really brings the cost down.
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Is Foma any cheaper where you live? Here in Oz I can get Fomapan for AUD$6 compared to more than double that for Tri-X and HP5. I use Fomapan 200 but there is also 100 and 400 in both 35mm and 120 (same price).
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Hey Timmyjoe, what speed are you shooting your double x at and what is your preferred developer for that speed? I'm just bought 10 rolls of it to see if I like it enough to buy in bulk.

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excuse my ignorance but where do you buy double x pre-rolled
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check ebay, apug, or the film photography project. It's about $6 for a 36 exp roll, not cheap. But better to try and see if you like it before buying bulk I think
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Depending on where you buy, I pay between 4 and 6€ a roll of HP5.
And yes, film has become more expensive in the last years, but it's still not too bad here in Germany. The problem is rather how to get one. In smaller towns (let alone villages) you can only find some colour neg rolls, hardly any slides, no b&w, no 120.

So, we either have to go to the next city or buy online.
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This is the last place I would purchase film from.
Because I'm bad, ignorant person.
Those gals and guys have film prices inflated due to their task to support themselves and many other film enthusiasts in USA.
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I feel sure that the $5.59/36 exp roll price I see on Freestylephoto.biz is as cheap or cheaper, adjusted for inflation, compared to the price I paid in my youth-1970s. The other side of the coin is that the cameras are so cheap now!
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Still have a few rolls of Legacy Pro from a big batch I ordered from Freestyle when they closed it out. I will have to order soon and will buy from B&H in a quantity that will get me free shipping. They seem to be the most reasonable in the US and have a good rep.
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This is the last place I would purchase film from.
Because I'm bad, ignorant person.
Those gals and guys have film prices inflated due to their task to support themselves and many other film enthusiasts in USA.
That is complete rubbish. The prices for film there are very good. I buy Tri-X and Ektar 100 from them all the time...plus various 110 film sizes. If that is the last place you'd buy film from, it would only be because you like paying more for film.
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I find it strange that Tri-X and HP5+ are about the same price in rolls, but Tri-X costs twice as much as HP5+ in bulk rolls. Bulk loading Tri-X is actually more expensive than pre-rolled!
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excuse my ignorance but where do you buy double x pre-rolled
I buy it directly from Kodak here in the States.
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That is complete rubbish. The prices for film there are very good. I buy Tri-X and Ektar 100 from them all the time...plus various 110 film sizes. If that is the last place you'd buy film from, it would only be because you like paying more for film.
Well there price for a 24 exposure roll of Double-X (5222) is a buck or more higher than the cost of rolling your own 36 exposure roll, but I guess if you don't want the hassle of rolling your own, you could go that route.
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The problem is rather how to get one. In smaller towns (let alone villages) you can only find some colour neg rolls, hardly any slides, no b&w, no 120.
That isn't quite true, because in Germany the drugstore chains dm and Rossmann offer film and development (C41, E6, BW).
They are even in smaller towns. And they offer CN film, slide film (CT Precisa) and BW film (APX New).

The availebility and prices of film are excellent compared to other countries. Because Germany has a relative high film per person consumption.

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Well there price for a 24 exposure roll of Double-X (5222) is a buck or more higher than the cost of rolling your own 36 exposure roll, but I guess if you don't want the hassle of rolling your own, you could go that route.
That is normal for every merchant for every film. One would not expect prerolled film to be cheaper than buying in bulk.
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That is complete rubbish. The prices for film there are very good. I buy Tri-X and Ektar 100 from them all the time...plus various 110 film sizes. If that is the last place you'd buy film from, it would only be because you like paying more for film.
About rubbish and paying more, here is what I wrote:
"For under two American dollars per roll, as it cost for me, I wouldn't call it expensive".
I'm buying bw film from BH. Like Kentmere and Ilford.

But your place is equal on pricing for what you have mentioned:

http://filmphotographyproject.com/st...i-x-400-1-roll
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...Tri_X_Pan.html
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...100_Color.html
6.95

https://filmphotographyproject.com/s...tar-100-1-roll
6.95

As long as you don't have to pay for shipment over $99 of the total in purchase (this is how I get film delivered for free and within two days from BH) and not buying non existing Svema film from your place
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That isn't quite true, because in Germany the drugstore chains dm and Rossmann offer film and development (C41, E6, BW).
They are even in smaller towns. And they offer CN film, slide film (CT Precisa) and BW film (APX New).

The availebility and prices of film are excellent compared to other countries. Because Germany has a relative high film per person consumption.

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I dont think it is the case anymore.
Remember when you can go to dm or rossman and buy a pack of 3 or 4 rolls for 75 cents. Nowaday only kodak gold, ultramax, vista, apx and precisa. Nothing more. And everything go to CEWE. Film sales is dropping, for sure.
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