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Old 09-20-2010   #361
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Well, looking into the viewfinder to see a digital scale or watch a digital display... instead of a simple scale?
Two reasons.

1. Lens size. That lens does not have a lot of room for a focusing scale.
2. Moving mass. Coupling a focus scale would require either a mechanical linkage, increasing the mass that needed to be moved during focusing, or an electronic linkage, which would unquestionably increase the size of the lens.

I prefer this design – especially if they give me a 2 m preset that can be activated through the Fn button next to the shutter release.
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Fuji makes their own. Their tiny ones for p&s models are amazing.

I think they call them Exmor Super CCDs.

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You have to keep in mind that this is a Development Announcement. In other words, this camera does NOT exist, yet. ....
Me thinks that Fuji DT has been lurking on RFF (from the DPReview article):
"Other cameras on the market look to fill the need for the ultimate ‘compact’ professional camera, but the Fujifilm development team believe that, having listened to the marketplace, the FinePix X100 offers a number of technical developments that will set this camera apart from other contenders."

Who else has been screaming so loudly for some of these features? No doubt based on the response here, this camera will come to fruition.



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That's the rumor, and if so, it's fantastic news. The Sony EXMOR sensor is IMO still the best APS-C sensor on the market, lagging the D700 by only about a stop, and nearly equalling it in DR, in a far smaller package. Falk Lumo's testing is fascinating reading if you're technically-minded.

If Fuji have merely equalled the performance of the imaging pipeline in the K-x (either by using a Sony sensor or with a proprietary design), I'll be ecstatic.

The custom(-ized?) sensor with eccentric microlenses suggests that Fuji are taking this project very seriously, i.e., that it is not intended merely as a boutique project, but as the first step in a campaign.
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no. and why would anyone wish for such a thing??


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Not a wish, just an observation.
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Will the X100 finally kill the film camera on RFF?
Can't speak for you, but I am LOVING the idea of having an X100 next to the M6 in my bag. They'd be fast friends, I think.
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It is nice ot have it in the viewfinder, but again the main advantage of the DOF scale on the focus ring is that you can pre-focus before raising the camera to your eyes. Very important for stealth in street photography.
Use AF, AFL if you must...after setting a small aperture. All three features are supported in the X100.
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What I find interesting is that the camera seems be be squarely aimed at the rangefinder market, not in mere styling (like the EP-1/2 and GF-1) but more importantly in functionality, where it counts. The video gives this away, in the part where they describe the new viewfinder system, they compare it against "standard" viewfinders wherein they provide a 3D illustration of ... a rangefinder system, but without actually calling out the name "rangefinder".

This new hybrid VF system is almost to a tee that fantasized by many of us here on RFF over a year ago, just after we were disappointed by the EVF/LCD paradigm of u4/3, wishing for the best of both worlds. I'm guessing someone at Fuji lurks herein.

Given that Fuji's current MF folder is made by CV, any chance the X100 is also?

This is really interesting from a marketing perspective, since at the outset they seem to be targeting the "professional" market, who's standard viewfinder of choice is the SLR optic. Clearly they've painted a big target across the logo of Leica, and this is the first shot across the bow.

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could make a serious dent in the u4/3, and smaller (s90, lx3/5, grd) growth though ...

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Actually, I think the electronic display paves the way to interchangable lenses. The framelines in the viewfinder are electronic, so they can easily change in size depending on the lens.
Also, presumably, they can change in size to compensate for FoV change with focus distance, as well as correct for parallax -- with perfect accuracy at all distances. No more questions about framelines optimized for 1m vs. 2m or whatnot....

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Fuji makes their own. Their tiny ones for p&s models are amazing.

I think they call them Exmor Super CCDs.
I knew that Fuji made the small stuff and maybe even the image processor (more likely another foundry if the run is small), but I didn't think their fab was producing an APS-C ? Nikon is just moving away from Sony with their own Fab making the FX sensors. You know Nikon and Fuji are on very friendly terms. If you know for sure I would like to know the source. I figured the sensor might even be a Fuji designed, Nikon produced product? I know that Fuji designs all of their sensors, I'm asking about the foundry.
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Reading the link in spanish previously posted, they say the lens has a reverse telephoto design, similar to the one used in the Olympus XA.
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Will it kill film at RFF- No. Not going to happen.

With as fast as Digital cameras turn over, a lot of people will be replacing their Digital with one. They may supplant their Film camera with one, but not dump it.

When the last roll of film on the planet gets exposed, I'm sure some RFF members will raise funds, buy a molecular resequencer, and start producing film themselves.
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None of the mirrorless CDAF cameras have a focusing scale on the lens. This would be the first such camera to indicate the distance, in this case in the viewfinder.
Absolutely. THis alone is a big step forward and a major functional advantage over the GF1 and EPs... add the viewfinder, and these are two huge improvements over the competition, that people here, and elsewhere, have been demanding for years. THey certainly deserve praise for that.


Given it has some key similarities, I wonder if it might have come from the same design house that produced the hexar AF and the Contax G series..
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The frame of the vf window is evocative. I'm provoked by the possibility of having both a fully capable "direct view" and a digital rf camera in the same body. 'Must resist!

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That's the rumor, and if so, it's fantastic news. The Sony EXMOR sensor is IMO still the best APS-C sensor on the market, lagging the D700 by only about a stop, and nearly equalling it in DR, in a far smaller package. Falk Lumo's testing is fascinating reading if you're technically-minded.

If Fuji have merely equalled the performance of the imaging pipeline in the K-x (either by using a Sony sensor or with a proprietary design), I'll be ecstatic.

The custom(-ized?) sensor with eccentric microlenses suggests that Fuji are taking this project very seriously, i.e., that it is not intended merely as a boutique project, but as the first step in a campaign.
Ya.. I agree as to the Sony product. It's likely a "tweeked" Fuji specific version of the famous Sony APS-C sensor. It's a proven product. The S5 uses a very unusual design for the split pixel sensor, but it' a product of the Sony Fab too, to my knowledge.
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Will the X100 finally kill the film camera on RFF?
As the X100 is NOT a rangefinder camera, will it finally kill the rangefinder camera on RFF?

It's also not a rangefinder, it's not an EVIL (electronic viewfinder interchangeable lens) camera, what is it?

A UPO, and unknown photographing object.
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Hmm looks like amazing camera on paper.

I'm not entirely down with that top cover though.. It looks like all melted.. They should have made the edges crisper.

I'm sure this thing will be expensive.. This is NOT competition to the m4/3 cameras. around $1.5K I feel.
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Now I've finally stopped hyperventilating, I'd just like to say.

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I want one too.....

409 posts in 17hrs on this thread. People are very interested....

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There is one thing I can absolutely guarantee about this camera. There will be shortages in the UK for a long, long time. Fuji are notorious for short supplying products no matter how popular they are.
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words...indeed.

First, naysayers must now realize the X100 is far more than just an announcement. The display unit, with hands-on fondling, must function and not just a working prototype.

The VF pictures shows different dataset than the brochure...meaning user configurable? It can even project a grid.

Yes, the LCD shows different dataset yet again...meaning user configurable as well?
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It looks smaller than an M series? More like an older fixed lens film camera .. Fuji, Minolta, Olympus..no?
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It looks smaller than an M series? More like an older fixed lens film camera .. Fuji, Minolta, Olympus..no?
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words...indeed.

First, naysayers must now realize the X100 is far more than just an announcement. The display unit, with hands-on fondling, must function and not just a working prototype.

The VF pictures shows different dataset than the brochure...meaning user configurable? It can even project a grid.

Yes, the LCD shows different dataset yet again...meaning user configurable as well?
After some image sharpening, the out-of-focus sliding switch shown in picture number 6 says: AF, AF-S, AF-C.
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This camera just keeps getting better and better...
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The good thing about this camera is that it's not available. Focussing your GAS attacks on something that is not available is good for your bank account. Hopefully it's really slow and has a lousy picture quality. Otherwise the GAS attack will continue.
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does that lens read 35mm?
In that photo it looks like a 35. But here it's clear that it's a 23

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FYI Fujifilm has said that the sensor in this camera will have the best image quality of any digital camera they've produced yet - including dynamic range.

For everyone whining about a focussing scale on the lens - learn how to use a digital camera properly. If you want to scale focus change the focus activation button to the 'AF-L' button on the back, set the lens to your chosen aperture (f5.8 or f8 or whatever) and use that back AF-L button to focus on something around 1-1.5m away. In doing this, you've set and fixed the focus to that distance, left the aperture to cover DOF from there till infinity, and you have NO af lag when you press the shutter. It's exactly the same in result as using the focus scale on a lens, no harder. Besides that there IS a focussing scale INSIDE the viewfinder, which will ALSO be viewable on the rear LCD, meaning you won't have to put the camera up to your eye. Fixed. Done. Gone. No more complaining about it.

Edit: The reason that the lens will probably have a focus by wire mechanism is because it's significantly less mechanically complex to design than a mechanical solution, meaning they can make the lens far smaller. It's probably harder to link parallax adjustment in a body and lens that small too - much easier to just have it done electronically.

I'd rather have the wire focus and a smaller package with similar functionality thankyou very much. Size is one factor that truly matters for this camera.
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To those regretting or complaining about the fixed lens: I think this is a constraint imposed by the OVF. I would be too complicated, particularly for a first attempt, to build a zoom optical viewfinder.
Ahem, Leica M's also don't have zoom finders. Why not just show the frames for 35-50-90 (equivalent) like my M2? That should be possible. For teles you can always switch to the EVF, something you cannot do with an M at all...
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Not sure if anyone has posted this link in pages before this but here's the mini site:

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In that photo it looks like a 35. But here it's clear that it's a 23

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/201...-2_540x341.jpg
Two different bodies. Look at the strap lugs.
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