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Old 03-25-2018   #81
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Old 03-26-2018   #82
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What are the characteristics and rendering of Sonnar lenses?
It's what you see in that image. I do not know how to explain it exactly but will give it a shot. To my way of thinking there can be (of course it is not always present as you cannot control for all factors and variables) a certain "smoothness" in gradation that I like. And if you look at the image in question, the shadow areas provide nice variations in lightness and dark without any hint of harshness.

Sonnars can also display a characteristic I have read about in old magazines from the 1950s where the image is described as being sharp but having a certain softness in the rendering (which I think has to do with the way Sonnars can depict transitions from one tone to another as mentioned above). These features may be more apparent when the lens is shot open or fairly open. More modern lens designs tend to err towards being almost excessively or clinically sharp. But I like "character" lenses which add a certain something to images. We have lost that to some extent with modern highly corrected computer designed lenses which have removed some of the critical residual aberrations upon which those characteristics rely.

This color image of my cat was shot with a Sonnar and I think it displays (some of) the kind of tonal qualities I am talking of.

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Here are a few examples of what I look for the modern 50/1.5 ZM to deliver: wide open, sharp focus point, then a dissolve — more or less sudden or gradual depending on how tightly I frame the subject, and whether it faces forward or is in profile.

A7 1/250 @f1.5 iso 50



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To me, the beauty of Sonnars is the rapid change from sharpness to a soft background.

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I agree, and your photo is a very good example of Sonnar goodness.
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Great to see you and others here using and enjoying your Sonnars too, Steve.
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Old 03-27-2018   #93
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Zeiss Sonnar 250mm f/5.6 for Linhof (4x5)

Made with the largest (and possibly rarest) Sonnar of them all:
The 250mm f/5.6 Zeiss Sonnar on a Linhof Technika V:








I was incredibly lucky to get this lens after an estate sale. After using it for more than a year, and the "new shiny" factor has worn off, it's still the most amazing lens for large format that I've ever used.

In the enlarger (grain focuser) I can see that, shot wide open (as all the above are) it resolves down to individual grains on Ilford FP4. The only other lens I've seen that comes close is a Rodenstock APO Sironar-S, but I think the Sonna is slightly better.

Oh, and just to throw another Sonnar in here - the 50mm f/1.5 C-Sonnar on a Leica M3, and Kodak TMY2-400:

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Old 04-22-2018   #97
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I absolutely love photographs with this feel - perfect!
P.S. Is it not a f/2.8 lens? (You said f/2.3 - a typo?)

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Taken with a Rollei XF35 (Sonnar 40 f/2.3)

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I absolutely love photographs with this feel - perfect!
P.S. Is it not a f/2.8 lens? (You said f/2.3 - a typo?)
The Rollei XF35 has a sonnar 40 f2.3. from what people say online, the f2.8 was as better one.
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Enjoying playing with my Nikkor H.C. 5cm F2 on my newly acquired Fuji X-T10. Between the close focusing capability of this lens + the leica M adapter's additional close focusing feature, there are some interesting opportunities for macro shots...
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There is something about Sonnar lenses that are smooth. And I am not speaking necessarily about the bokeh. It is more about the tonal and color gradation that is really beautiful when it is at its best -subtle changes of tone and subtle rendering of color. So much nicer than most latest lens designs which seem to have more "abrupt" rendering. Some old time lens reviews used to talk about "plasticity" of the images so produced. Back then I don't think I fully appreciated what this meant. But today in the time of the internet I have seen - we all have seen - many, many images made with Sonnar lenses. And I now think I at least know it when I see it even if I have trouble describing it in words. Sonnar rendering is smooth as I said and are certainly sharp enough. Though "plasticity" does not allow for the most super-duper levels of sharpness apparently sacrificing this in favor of that smooth rendering. Little wonder there is so much Sonnar love.
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There is something about Sonnar lenses that are smooth. And I am not speaking necessarily about the bokeh. It is more about the tonal and color gradation that is really beautiful when it is at its best -subtle changes of tone and subtle rendering of color. So much nicer than most latest lens designs which seem to have more "abrupt" rendering. Some old time lens reviews used to talk about "plasticity" of the images so produced. Back then I don't think I fully appreciated what this meant. But today in the time of the internet I have seen - we all have seen - many, many images made with Sonnar lenses. And I now think I at least know it when I see it even if I have trouble describing it in words. Sonnar rendering is smooth as I said and are certainly sharp enough. Though "plasticity" does not allow for the most super-duper levels of sharpness apparently sacrificing this in favor of that smooth rendering. Little wonder there is so much Sonnar love.
Agree with most of this and would add that they sometimes seem to highlight the focused area (Sonnar Glow?) and subtly drop the exposure in OOF areas or at least give that impression.

As far as sharpness I would say that some Sonnars are vert sharp.

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