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I have finally taken a look at the photos from our most recent trip to parts of Europe. Here, I have 5 images from the M9 with the 16/8 (in M mount). I still need to download CornerFix or similar program to reduce the purple color shift in the extremes as this lens was never meant to be used on a FF digital camera. I have removed the colors for the time being.

Our flight was cancelled while in transit in Lisbon, so we made a day out of it, strolling in this beautiful city. We needed some sleep and we were exhausted then . The airtrafiic controllers in Marseilles (France) had a strike, so flights in Europe got messed up. We checked oiur lugage into a luggage center at Lisbon Airport, took a cab to "any hotel downtown", slept off some of the lack of sleep, and then picked up my M9 and we walked around a little until we had to take the cab back to the airport to continue our trip to Milano.

I usually stick to 35mm as my wideangle lens, so using a 16mm lens was exciting. "Get close to the subject" ... I heard in my head some RFF voice!















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I also tried some sepia toned versions of these images.










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Nice pictures, Raid. I would like to see the color ones.
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Thank you Axel. I am planning to upload a few of the color ones with the "side effects" shown in them. It is not worked on in any way,
Here is one for you:



Here is a second one:

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Beautiful B&W Raid, love it. It seems you found the right way to use such a special lens.
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PS: I specially like the second B&W photo!
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Thank you raid.
This is an interesting effect that obviously depends on the direction the light
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Thank you Robert. We had a brisk walk there while Dana and Lina were given some Gelato in order to have them "wake up" from the long no-sleep-night before.
The Hologon is definitely a daytime lens when you can handhold a 16mm lens with aperture 16 due to the ND filter.
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Thank you raid.
This is an interesting effect that obviously depends on the direction the light
comes from.
I have no regrets at all for buying this lens. It is exciting as if someone gets a new toy to explore. It will keep me busy! I have to get some software for it if I want to use FF color images. There is no such color smearing with the M8 (crop is 21mm)
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Very nice pics Raid. B&W always has a certain aesthetic quality I can appreciate. BTW, that color fringing is wild!

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Thanks, Jim. The colors at the edges are due to having the rear element too close to the sensor. The M8 crops 1/3 and it has a thinner glass over the sensor, so the colors are fine there.
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IMO, the problems exhibited on the edges make the b&w conversions bad too. The tones are muddy and flat on the edges, while the center is overexposed. Corners also look smeared slightly even shown small like this. Perhaps with more intense editing it could be remedied, but that's a lot of work.

It's your lens and your choice, but I can't imagine spending such an extreme amount for a cult lens so as to shoot Holga-esque digital images. But that's just my personal opinion. Of course on film it will be a different story.

I shot some with a Voigtlander 12mm on my M9 and it was about the same. I had to heavily edit and combine exposures to correct exposure across the frame and CornerFix to help with color. I only tried this on an architectural job where I wanted even wider than my Nikon 14-24mm could do. I decided it wasn't really worth it in the end.
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I have no regrets at all for buying this lens...
Nice pictures. And an interesting effect because of the sensor reaction to the lens construction.
Could imagine to use this effect for creative compositions once you have more experiences with it.

Otherwise - digital remove should be simple so I donīt mean that it is a big bug here.
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IMO, the problems exhibited on the edges make the b&w conversions bad too. The tones are muddy and flat on the edges, while the center is overexposed. Corners also look smeared slightly even shown small like this. Perhaps with more intense editing it could be remedied, but that's a lot of work.

It's your lens and your choice, but I can't imagine spending such an extreme amount for a cult lens so as to shoot Holga-esque digital images. But that's just my personal opinion. Of course on film it will be a different story.

I shot some with a Voigtlander 12mm on my M9 and it was about the same. I had to heavily edit and combine exposures to correct exposure across the frame and CornerFix to help with color. I only tried this on an architectural job where I wanted even wider than my Nikon 14-24mm could do. I decided it wasn't really worth it in the end.
What you have said is accurate, but it is also a matter of taste which end result in images any photographer wants to get from some lens. The lens is meant for film cameras, but I can also enjoy using it with the M9 and M8 if I want to do so. It is an imperfect match for sure, but then again, it is interesting to me to try it out like this.
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Yes I understand completely, hence the caveat of 'my opinion.' I hope what I have said has not offended.
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Of course, no offense is taken. I was warned repeatedly here and at other website that if I wanted a corrected wide angle lens for a Leica FF I should pick another lens. I wanted the vintage Hologon as a challenge.
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...I wanted the vintage Hologon as a challenge.
I think when we photograph since many years sometimes we feel the need to explore new directions. An "imperfect" lens can help to find a different vision. In this respect I find the B&W photos from the Hologon an interesting experiment, with its own limits.
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PS: Of course this works when we take personal photos and not photos required by a client.
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Raid, I really like the first three B&W versions and think the lens stands on its own, warts and all. Really nice results and worth using as is. We visited Lisbon for the amazing pastry shops and dodgy Fado bars. The lens rendition reminds me of how Lisbon felt at the time. Btw, have you seen or read 'Night Train to Lisbon'? You'll like this lens even more.
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I think when we photograph since many years sometimes we feel the need to explore new directions. An "imperfect" lens can help to find a different vision. In this respect I find the B&W photos from the Hologon an interesting experiment, with its own limits.
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PS: Of course this works when we take personal photos and not photos required by a client.
I agree with what Robert has said.
Yes, it works when it is your own personal wishes and it is not for some paying clients. I have many (corrected) lenses that I can use when I want to, but I want to use this special lens to see what I manage to get from it.
Robert recently bought a Summaron 28/5.6, and he is getting beautiful images out of this re-make of a vintage lens. He could have bought a 28mm lens with a larger max aperture, but Robert was/is after something else here.
If I decide to try out my 16mm lens with film, it may give me different looking images.
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Raid, I really like the first three B&W versions and think the lens stands on its own, warts and all. Really nice results and worth using as is. We visited Lisbon for the amazing pastry shops and dodgy Fado bars. The lens rendition reminds me of how Lisbon felt at the time. Btw, have you seen or read 'Night Train to Lisbon'? You'll like this lens even more.
Hi Egon. Thanks.
I will try to find a copy of Night Train to Lisbon.
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And if you find it give a look at "Lisbon Story" by Wim Wenders
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PS: a few years ago I was in Lisbon a couple of times because of work, no time to take photos but only a little strolling around...beautiful place!
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I will. Thanks, Robert for the tip. Several years ago, I attended a conference in Lisbon, and I got the chance to experience their nightlife and singing in the hilly nightlife scene there. People were singing in the street, and small restaurants had local performers singing traditional songs. It was alive.I also met with several RFF members there!
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I tried a 2-stage PP approach.
1. reduce the purple
2. remove colors

Lugano, Switzerland


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I am tempted to stop using this lens on tbe M9 and switch to the M3 or M6 with film, just to see how different images I manage to get. I often used this lens at ISO 160-400, which can result in very slow shutter speeds. This may have contributed to some lack of sharpness too.
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I hope that this thread is not boring most people here.
Examples from my Hologon.









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I am now discovering issues with the camera settings with this lens. I almost always use ISO 160 or 320 when there is less light available, but such settings are too slow for an F 16 lens (with its ND filter) and the lens's coverage that often leads to under exposure when using aperture priority. Using overexposure is also not working well since this will wash out any details for the highlights. It works best when covering the entire frame with a shaded subject and without any direct sunshine in the frame. This old lens design is corrected for distortion but it is "not ready" for a digital sensor at a very close distance from the rear glass.
I have been trying out different PP settings to arrive at interesting looking final images. The last few posted images were processed with Perfect Portraits 9 after using LR to convert DNG to JPG files. I chose first the setting "160 NC" where almost all purple streaks disappear. I save this file. Then I use the adjusted file again with Tri-X B&W setting in Perfect Portraits 9. It seems to work well for many of the images, but not all. Some will come out with very dark edges. There, I tried using the Instant Film setting. It sometimes works well that way.

Any advice is welcome.

For color images, I need to download and use CornerFix or something similar.
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Raid..you are getting a good education..in the realities of using an older ultra wide lens..and the all the problems inherent..
I got my wake up call..back in the day..when using a 165mm Rodenstock Pantagonal..on my 12x20 ULF camera..
I figure for myself..the main reason for getting an ultrawide ..is to get everything or most..esp the corners..in decent focus..as well as coverage..
But a lot of these lenses..really suck at this..sure they are ultra wide..but slow as all hell..and just become a pita to use w/o a center filter..and this slows down a slow lens..even more..
Basically..tripod lenses..
So..I decided to use a WATE for 35mm..which is a great compromise..
And a Schneider 210mm XL for large format up to 16x20..
The Schneider is awesome..on any format..but huge at 4lbs or so..
I haven't used the Hologon..but I can imagine what you are going thru..good luck w/it..
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Examples from my Hologon.
Not at all. I just revisited this thread and these are some outstanding images. The B&W conversion technique you're using works quite well.

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Emile: Thanks for sharing your own experiences with extreme lenses. I can add a CV 15mm III to get easily nice looking color wide angle images. The Hologon may (I am stressing this word) provide me with an extra outlet for different looking images. Using a film camera would also solve all issues with the Hologon.
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Thanks, Jim. It is a hobby for me after all. I can play with such stuff. It is lots of fun.
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This reminds me I still have anywhere a CV 12/5.6 I used time ago first on my Bessa R and later on the M7...maybe I should try on the M10 one day or easier shoot a film with the M7,..for now I'm busy learning the Summaron :-)
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Robert ... you should try it out. A 12mm lens must be fun to use. Imagine the possibilities! I have always been limited in wide angle RF lenses wider than 28mm.
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Raid, it is fun, surprising and difficult! Here a photo I took with it if you are curious
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PS: I like your B&W from the Hologon...it has a certain unknown taste...
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WOW! The 12mm lens looks like a useful lens, Robert.
Yes, the Hologon is somehow unpredictable. I will keep on exploring it.
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In my smugmug site, the Hologon images are the ones being most looked at the past 7 days:

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Europe_2018_Hologon...... 8195
M8 Rigid Summicron......1083
M8 Zeiss Hologon...... 208
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165mm Rodenstock Pantagonal.
Still have it? I am looking for one for my 8x20. Ultrawide is my thing. I love my 47mm XL on 4x5. 305mm on my 8x20 is too loooong.
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The Hologon has no distortion at all when used with a film camera. It does not display the usual side effects of a very-wide angle lens. This is the main reason why I got interested in getting this lens. It is very special.
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The first image shown (in color) is the last stage before removing all color.
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