More discontinued Fujifilm film?
Old 02-07-2020   #1
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More discontinued Fujifilm film?

https://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-...a-premium-400/
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Old 02-07-2020   #2
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Since the only things being discontinued are the 3-packs, does this mean people are buying fewer rolls of these films?
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Old 02-07-2020   #3
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Nothing new, and nothing to worry about either.
Because its only the 3-Packs, not the films itself.
These 3-packs were generally discontinued with the other films about two years ago. Seems like here with this two films just the stock lasted longer.


The main package unit for the Industrial 100 have been 100 unit packs for the photo stores. They then open them and offer single films to their customers.


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Since the only things being discontinued are the 3-packs, does this mean people are buying fewer rolls of these films?
Difficult to say. Probably the beginners and snapshooters only buy 1-2 film at a time. And the enthusiast photographers buy at least the cheaper 10 units offer most stores have.

Industrial 100 has the 100 units packs. And I am quite sure they are the most popular SKU for this film.


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Nothing new, and nothing to worry about either.
Because its only the 3-Packs, not the films itself.
These 3-packs were generally discontinued with the other films about two years ago. Seems like here with this two films just the stock lasted longer.


The main package unit for the Industrial 100 have been 100 unit packs for the photo stores. They then open them and offer single films to their customers.


Cheers, Jan
Good to know... thanks Jan.
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Old 02-07-2020   #6
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What interesting to me are the comments generated under that article. Always a mixture of scoffers about film users....and film users trying to defend still using film.

It’s tiresome. Why does anyone have to justify their chosen platform to photography. Anywhere from wet plate collodion to the latest digital to iPhone to film to.......
It just don’t matter.
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Old 02-07-2020   #7
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What interesting to me are the comments generated under that article. Always a mixture of scoffers about film users....and film users trying to defend still using film.
Best is to ignore it. Just a waste of time getting in.
Much more problematic:
The wrong click-baiting headline. No films are discontinued!!
Only one packaging unit.

Question to those rff members living in Japan, who have used Premium 400 and Superia X-Tra 400: Are this two films different, or are they the same emulsion?
Thanks in advance for the answers.
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I cannot remember the last time I've seen ISO 100 print film from Fuji in the US.
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I cannot remember the last time I've seen ISO 100 print film from Fuji in the US.

I would buy it, well, at least I would try it if it were available. I'm a slow-film kind of guy.
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I cannot remember the last time I've seen ISO 100 print film from Fuji in the US.
Then you have not searched good enough....:
Several stores in the US import it from Japan.
Just one example on the West Coast:
https://www.shotonfilmstore.com/coll...uji-industrial

An excellent film, by the way (based on former Superia 100 emulsion). Fujifilm's best amateur color negative film, and better than Kodak's Pro Image 100.
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Then you have not searched good enough....:
Several stores in the US import it from Japan.
Just one example on the West Coast:
https://www.shotonfilmstore.com/coll...uji-industrial

An excellent film, by the way (based on former Superia 100 emulsion). Fujifilm's best amateur color negative film, and better than Kodak's Pro Image 100.
$8 for a roll of Fuji C100 from a special import store? I'd just shoot Kodak Ektar 100.

No offense but I meant mainstream as in commonly available. I can order things from overseas by myself.. (which is how I originally got ProImage 100 etc).

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$8 for a roll of Fuji C100 from a special import store? I'd just shoot Kodak Ektar 100.
Horses for courses.
Both films are very different. And I would use them in different situations.
I've used quite a lot of both films:
Ektar works best in landscape photography.
Whereas Fuji Industrial 100 is more of an allround-film: It has natural, but also a bit vibrant colors. And also very good skin tones.
It has very fine grain, but not as fine as Ektar.
But the Fuji 100 has better sharpness and higher resolution than Ektar: I've had both in my resolution test with test target, and Fuji 100 delivered about 25% higher resolution.
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Fujicolor 100 24 shots 3 packs
Fujicolor 100 36 shots 3 packs
Fujicolor Superia Premium 400 27 shots 3 packs
Fujicolor Superia Premium 400 36 shots 3 packs
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When was the last time you purchased 24 or 27 shot rolls of film?

... and does anyone use Fujicolor 100 or Fujicolor Superia Premium 400?

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I remember buying 10 pack bricks of Fuji 100 in Ho Chi Minh City. That was some three years ago. At that time, the small shops were also selling the cheap Infiniti Super Uxi film. I now have a large stock of 35mm film in the freezer and have not been buying film locally. I am interested in Kodak Pro Image 100 but will buy it whenever I am visiting Bangkok because it's cheaper there. Cheers, OtL
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I haven't bought or shot color negative film in years. Several years ago I wanted to buy some for my wife. I looked in Walgreens, Wal-Mart, and the grocery. The grocery had none; Walgreens had none; Wal-Mart had a little. I had a little Portra in the freezer, but not what my wife wanted.

Somehow this article makes me want to run right out and grab some Fuji film.
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I haven't bought or shot color negative film in years. Several years ago I wanted to buy some for my wife. I looked in Walgreens, Wal-Mart, and the grocery. The grocery had none; Walgreens had none; Wal-Mart had a little. I had a little Portra in the freezer, but not what my wife wanted.
The big players like Walmart (meanwhile) should have the Fujifilm C200 and Superia 400 3 film packs. At least recently I have seen several new youtube videos in which young film shooters go to these stores buying the Fujifilm film packs. Single use film cameras are also available there.

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Somehow this article makes me want to run right out and grab some Fuji film.
Do it, they all offer very good quality.

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At one of the nationally known camera vendors in NYC, I spoke to one of the regulars behind the counter once about Fuji and it’s film strategy. He related a widely held rumor he had heard that FUJI’s stock of film had all been made ahead of time, years ago and put into the deep freeze. The discontinuation announcements coincide with the end of the supply and possibly explains why Acros is made by Ilford. In other words, the manufacturing capabilities have long ago been broken down and junked. “Dumped into the Pacific” is what he told me. Probably makes for an interesting reef to dive into.
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Question to those rff members living in Japan, who have used Premium 400 and Superia X-Tra 400: Are this two films different, or are they the same emulsion?
Thanks in advance for the answers.
I have been meaning to shoot a comparison of Premium 400, X-TRA 400 (local flavour), and X-TRA 400 (from Germany) and have all the films waiting in my fridge but have yet to get a round tuit... one day one day.

When X-TRA 400 (local flavour) was still available in Japan, it was a lot cheaper than Premium 400 so you expect there to be a difference. Fujifilm also markets Premium 400 as "rendering Japanese skin tones beautifully", and the Premium and X-TRA datasheets do show minor differences, so I do believe they are different emulsions.

https://asset.fujifilm.com/www/jp/fi...mium400_01.pdf

https://asset.fujifilm.com/www/jp/fi...-tra400_01.pdf
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I have been meaning to shoot a comparison of Premium 400, X-TRA 400 (local flavour), and X-TRA 400 (from Germany) and have all the films waiting in my fridge but have yet to get a round tuit... one day one day.

When X-TRA 400 (local flavour) was still available in Japan, it was a lot cheaper than Premium 400 so you expect there to be a difference. Fujifilm also markets Premium 400 as "rendering Japanese skin tones beautifully", and the Premium and X-TRA datasheets do show minor differences, so I do believe they are different emulsions.

https://asset.fujifilm.com/www/jp/fi...mium400_01.pdf

https://asset.fujifilm.com/www/jp/fi...-tra400_01.pdf
Thank you very much for this fast first reply!
Please do real side-by-side comparisons: Same subject, same lens, same shutter speed, same aperture, exact same lighting (same colour temperature), same exact focussing.

A colour chart would also be very good.
I know from own experience that proper film comparison tests are a lot of work. Because of that I would really appreciate if you could do it here for us. Many thanks in advance!
Your former comparison of X-Tra 400 to Industrial 400 was really helpful, very good work.

I am looking forward to your final test results!
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I cannot remember the last time I've seen ISO 100 print film from Fuji in the US.
I had a stock of expired Superia 100 - maybe 150 rolls or so (bought really cheap on ebay from a greek seller) and today found on ebay another 100 for a bit more than 1Ä a roll. I took a risk and bought it (from Italy). For what I shoot I donít care that much for a bit larger grain or slightly off colors. But the expired Superia (from 2011) has no issues whatsoever. What I want to say? You donít have to limit yourself to US distributors and youíll find Fuji ISO 100 film for low cost.
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At one of the nationally known camera vendors in NYC, I spoke to one of the regulars behind the counter once about Fuji and itís film strategy. He related a widely held rumor he had heard that FUJIís stock of film had all been made ahead of time, years ago and put into the deep freeze.
That stupid lie was destroyed by lots of facts long ago, also here in this forum, and elsewhere, too. No need to waste time again on it. Film manufacturers don't freeze film. None of them. That alone tells enough.
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Horses for courses.
Both films are very different. And I would use them in different situations.
I've used quite a lot of both films:
Ektar works best in landscape photography.
Whereas Fuji Industrial 100 is more of an allround-film: It has natural, but also a bit vibrant colors. And also very good skin tones.
It has very fine grain, but not as fine as Ektar.
But the Fuji 100 has better sharpness and higher resolution than Ektar: I've had both in my resolution test with test target, and Fuji 100 delivered about 25% higher resolution.
Not buying it. Fuji "Industrial" 100 is just their repackaged cheapest 100 film. I'm not seeing it's not great, I love C200.
Show us your resolution test target results.

As can be seen here , Fuji "Industrial 100" is just C100 relabelled.

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?
p=2593291&postcount=20

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The results are in for the ISO 100 films now, too! Same as with the ISO 400 films, Fuji Business/Industrial 100 (top) and Fujicolor 100 (current Japanese version - bottom) have the same latent image barcode = same film!!!



And just like Fuji Superia X-TRA 400, the latent image barcode shown in the data sheet for Fujicolor 100 (downloadable here) doesn't match what's actually on the film!

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Not buying it. Fuji "Industrial" 100 is just their repackaged cheapest 100 film. I'm not seeing it's not great, I love C200.
No problem. I know that Industrial 100 is based on former Fujicolor 100. And that is based on former Superia 100 (first version), which was an excellent film.
C200 is based on the first Superia 200 emulsion.

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Show us your resolution test target results.
That makes absolutely no sense online, because no scanner can resolve film resolution when you have shot a resolution test target. With films like Industrial 100 you get values of 105 to 125 lp/mm, depending on the lens you are using, and depending on the object contrast of your test chart.
Even drum scanners cannot fully resolve that. Very good amateur scanners like Coolscan 5000 get in the 55-65 lp/mm range with such test target shots.
With optical enlarging with APO lenses and slide projection you can almost fully exploitd the film resolution. Much better results compared to scanners.

Scanning is a kind of "film resolution destroying" technology.
Evaluating under a microscope show you the full film resolution.

If I remember right you are soon in Vienna at Lomography? Maybe we can meet there and I can show you the results in real life.
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So Skiff, we have your word on it. Then it must be so.
It has absolutely nothing to do with me. Just ask Ilford, Kodak, Foma, Agfa, Adox, IC, Fuji...... whether they freeze film after production. And they will answer you: no.

I have asked them.
You can also do a bit research and then you will found videos about factory visits of e.g. Ilford and Kodak. Including the storage of master rolls. No freezing. Film storage is in the +5į /+8į Celsius range.
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Giant FF Freezer and 3 packs "news" from 2019.

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So Skiff, we have your word on it. Then it must be so.
His assertions are no less valid than James's, (to whom he was replying). ��
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