Old 12-01-2019   #81
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Old 12-01-2019   #82
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I have an old box of 120 Kodak Verichrome Pan that expired in 1959 with the price tag still in tact. Film cost: $0.70, Tax: $.03, Total: $0.73. Per a number of inflation calculators I used, the price for the film in 2019 dollars would be $6.44 adjusting for inflation. The price for 120 Tri-X today at B&H is $6.99 when purchased in a 5 pack.

This seems to back up your concept that the cost of film like everything else in life has gone up. And in this case the cost is just about even with inflation.

I would also add that the old adage remains true; film is still the cheapest thing in photography."
Price worked its way up by the early 1960's. Kodak 135-36 and 120 were 85 cents a roll everywhere then.
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Old 12-01-2019   #83
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I'm glad to see someone with some sense. Not here, but in the other places I frequent, people complain about every price increase.

If what Adox says is true, which I assume it is, prices for film are too low. The only way to train new people, reinvest in your equipment, is to raise prices. If it costs 4 dollars to make a roll and you sell it for 4.10, you're only covering your costs and a little extra.

At the end of the day, I'll pay for film no matter what the cost (within reason) and just shoot accordingly. I budget for this hobby of mine, and as long as film is being made, I'll likely be a film shooter.
The recent presentation by the technical man from ADOX (quick web search will find it) could not have been more clear or more accurate on these points.

Current film production (by everyone) is using heritage equipment and drawing on the practical/intellectual skills of an aging technical staff. These are wasting assets.

The ADOX gentleman made it clear that a roll of 135/36 had to fetch about USD$7.50 for a film manufactured in the near future to financially justify replacement/upgrading of production equipment and realistic recruitment offers of career opportunities for technical staff to support production.

Those are the constraints/rules: stated in US$; 20 cents per 35mm shot and film will be available as long as one can use it. Cigarettes. I note, go for 40-50 cents apiece these days. The roll film will do you less personal damage.





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Not a surprise. Prices going up everywhere for most every thing.

Actually this is incorrect. Inflation continues to be well below historical averages, to the point that central banks around the world are keeping interest rates at or near zero. Central bankers struggle to understand why inflation is near non existent.
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At Walgreens pharmacy: Kodak Ultramax 400, three 24 exposure rolls per box, total $17. Sep. 2021 expiration. I like it enough to buy it.
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Those are the constraints/rules: stated in US$; 20 cents per 35mm shot and film will be available as long as one can use it. Cigarettes. I note, go for 40-50 cents apiece these days. The roll film will do you less personal damage.


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Worked for me! I bought a 100' role of Ultrafine 400 - nice film too.
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Kodak?

Hey this is the company that invented digital cameras...they need to charge more so they can continue researching and developing exciting new technologies! About time I say!
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Ok, so January 1st is here and it seems that the price hike has taken effect. I must say, it's not as bad as I expected! I placed a large order at B&H at the end of the year and comparing the prices on the bill to the new ones on their website, I can see that a 10 sheet box of Kodak Portra in 4x5 (160 and 400) is about $2 more expensive than before. A 5-pack of Portra in 120 is about $4 more expensive which is still less than $1 more a roll.

I can't speak of 35mm since I didn't order any this time around so I don't have any prices to compare. Same goes for b&w.
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I haven't bought film in well over a decade. I have a chest freezer full of it, and I still have a lot. Getting a bit low on color transparency 120 film, but still have plenty of 35mm, and 4x5 sheets.

I'm sure it's going to hurt when I actually need to start buying film.
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Went to compare a B&H order I made in 2016 with how the prices were in 2019 and just updated it to include the new increase of 2020. On this assortment of film it winds up being a 30% increase in 4 years after factoring in inflation.



I find it interesting Portra 160 is more expensive than Portra 400 now. I thought higher ISO films were always more expensive due to higher silver content?
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If you shoot that much film in a given year, you're better off canning your own bulk stock. I probably go through 6-12 rolls a year so a 30% bump isn't felt.
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If you shoot that much film in a given year, you're better off canning your own bulk stock. I probably go through 6-12 rolls a year so a 30% bump isn't felt.
Other than Kodak Vision 3 ECN-2 film, there isn't any color film you can bulk load as far as I know.
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Other than Kodak Vision 3 ECN-2 film, there isn't any color film you can bulk load as far as I know.
Looks like you're right:

400 TMax: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._100_Roll.html

100 TMax: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._100_Roll.html

400 Tri X: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._100_Roll.html

Double X: https://cinestillfilm.com/collection...ilm-5222-35-mm

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If you shoot that much film in a given year, you're better off canning your own bulk stock. I probably go through 6-12 rolls a year so a 30% bump isn't felt.
Luckily I amassed enough film to last me years. Like another poster mentioned, there's no opportunity to bulk load colour film anymore (I'm not willing to deal with expired old stock at this point).
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It's not like there is a lot of competition to keep prices reasonable. In B&W there is Kodak, Ilford, Foma, and maybe what, two or three other minor players. (I know, Fujifilm is going to bring back Acros….well, we'll see if that happens and at what price and how long it lasts.)
Looking at bulk loading, it just doesn't seem much of a savings. Most reports on the bulk cartridges available report a lot of problems and they are expensive. I suppose you could buy a brick of 20 preloaded factory rolls and then just leave the last bit of film out and reload those from bulk.
I shoot 35mm half frame and load 36exp rolls. It wastes some film but if needed I can clip off 10~20 shots in the darkroom and reload the remaining, if in a hurry to see results.
With my Aden loader the most I can get from 100 feet is 19-36X rolls. (Plus fooling around with cranky Agfa style metal cartridges.) So for the last few years I just buy preloaded film.
I figure the percent of markup on bulk must surely be more than on preloaded rolls.
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It's not like there is a lot of competition to keep prices reasonable. In B&W there is Kodak, Ilford, Foma, and maybe what, two or three other minor players. (I know, Fujifilm is going to bring back Acros….well, we'll see if that happens and at what price and how long it lasts.)
Looking at bulk loading, it just doesn't seem much of a savings. Most reports on the bulk cartridges available report a lot of problems and they are expensive. I suppose you could buy a brick of 20 preloaded factory rolls and then just leave the last bit of film out and reload those from bulk.
I shoot 35mm half frame and load 36exp rolls. It wastes some film but if needed I can clip off 10~20 shots in the darkroom and reload the remaining, if in a hurry to see results.
With my Aden loader the most I can get from 100 feet is 19-36X rolls. (Plus fooling around with cranky Agfa style metal cartridges.) So for the last few years I just buy preloaded film.
I figure the percent of markup on bulk must surely be more than on preloaded rolls.
Fuji Acros II is already available. It's made in the UK, though.

As for savings with bulk loading, I agree that it's just not really worth the hassle. Doing the calculations for Ilford HP5, you save approximately $1 roll (not counting the initial cost of a bulk loader). For me that's not enough savings to justify the extra work AND the possibility of messing up.
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Bulk loading makes everything way more economical. Wait until the major retailers have a sale and snap 100 foot rolls up.
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Fuji Acros II is already available. It's made in the UK, though.
You make that sound as if it's a bad thing.

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You make that sound as if it's a bad thing.

I just mentioned it to point out that it probably isn't manufactured by Fuji. Other than that, of course it's not a bad thing. As someone who uses Ilford products exclusively for bw, I know very well that they make great films in the UK.
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So this happened, huh? At some point in the last few weeks the price for the T-max films from the cheapest sources in Europe jumped by about 2€ per 135/36. Didn't expect such a large increase all at once.
The bulk roll prices at B&H are more reasonable again compared to the time when they were more expensive then buying 135/36, hope this more reasonable bulk roll pricing makes it to Europe.
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So this happened, huh? At some point in the last few weeks the price for the T-max films from the cheapest sources in Europe jumped by about 2€ per 135/36. Didn't expect such a large increase all at once.
The bulk roll prices at B&H are more reasonable again compared to the time when they were more expensive then buying 135/36, hope this more reasonable bulk roll pricing makes it to Europe.
Tmax 400 went up almost $2 in the USA too
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Visited my favourite little camera shop yesterday and Russell was busy repricing everything (scored 2 boxes of TriX at the old price so happy). He said the re-pricing of Portra in particular has really slowed sales, as the buyers are mostly students.
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He said the re-pricing of Portra in particular has really slowed sales, as the buyers are mostly students.
That was to be expected, although from Kodak's point of view that's not really a bad thing if they already were having trouble keeping up with the demand.

Not sure if the drastic price hike in bw films is such a great move, though, as many people will likely just switch to Ilford.
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Simply to compare prices in Italy are:

Kodak Tmax 400 36 exp = 9.15 EUR ( 86.93 for a package of 10 rolls)
Ilford Delta 400 36 exp = 6.90 EUR ( 65.55 for a package of 10 rolls)
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That was to be expected, although from Kodak's point of view that's not really a bad thing if they already were having trouble keeping up with the demand.

Not sure if the drastic price hike in bw films is such a great move, though, as many people will likely just switch to Ilford.



Kodak's price increase actually made the film about the same price as Ilford at B&H, if you compare Tmax to Delta films. HP5 is actually about $1 less than Tri-X now.


I like both Kodak and Ilford and will use both no matter the price. I have never been happy with budget films like Foma. My work is just too important to me to skimp on film costs.


I think of it like this: I spend $70 a week on gas for my car. I drive a lot because I take my son to school every day, and Purdue's Fort Wayne campus is a 24 mile round trip from my house,and I make that trip twice a day. My utility bills run about $300 a month. I spend about $100 on food. Films costs are a TINY part of my budget, even using expensive film.
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Stores shouldn't raise prices on items they purchased wholesale at the old price. They don't need to, and it's not fair!
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Stores shouldn't raise prices on items they purchased wholesale at the old price. They don't need to, and it's not fair!


I think the Film Photography Project Store said they would hold prices until they restock at the higher level, so you might check there for a good deal.

I think selling film is something like a neighborhood gas station: nobody's getting rich doing it, and the price you pay for the product has as much to do with what they're about to pay to restock as it does what they paid for the stock on hand.
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Stores shouldn't raise prices on items they purchased wholesale at the old price. They don't need to, and it's not fair!
A lot of them don't. I talked to the guy at my local analog photo store and he said they quickly sold out of the old stock at the old price and what they have now is all new stock.

Keep in mind that when Kodak announced the price hikes at the end of last year, they also said that they have to cancel all unfilled back-orders at the old price. Since they had so many unfilled back-orders, I think it's safe to assume that most stores didn't have a lot of stock to get through.
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