Does this camera exist?
Old 02-20-2020   #1
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Does this camera exist?

Hello RFF readers, I'm looking for a daily driver that shoots film and am in a bit of a puzzle.

I own a T2 and it's really nice, but the 1/500th is a very limiting factor for me, and I am looking for a cam that can do 1/2000. Also with the T2 that keeps moving the lens back and forth when I release shutter I never know when the shutter has fired.

I also own a G1 with a 45mm planar. It's a little too big for a daily camera (for me) and the viewfinder is a little upsetting. I got used to the fact it's small, but every time I lift the camera up my eye has to 'hunt' for a couple seconds to position itself right in the middle of the finder to be able to frame. Sometimes this makes me miss the shot.

I have looked at leica compacts, seems CM goes up to 1/1000 but that price tag is way too high for a daily cam that is always in a backpack and can get some occasional ding here and there.

40mm is my favorite focal length, 35 is OK as well. I don't care if it's manual or autofocus. I always shoot this focal length between 2.8 and 4, so it's ok if the cam has a 'slow' fixed 35mm lens at 3.5 or something.

But the thing is – I don't think such a cam exists. Did I miss any particular models? I'm OK with pretty much anything as long as it's small and is not a scale focus camera.
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Old 02-20-2020   #2
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Yashica T4 goes to 1/700 but aperture is only 3.5

I think only digital cameras can go above 1/1000. A used Ricoh GR 2 can be had for $250 and goes to 1/2500. I am not sure if second hand Ricohs are reliable though. The film ones were failure prone.
edit: Ricoh GR 2 is a 28mm lens.
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Old 02-20-2020   #3
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Canon Rebel T2 with 40mm pancake.
Better viewfinder than any compact, 1/4000 and better glass than 95% of 90's compacts.
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Old 02-20-2020   #4
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Yep, any Canon Rebel and 40 mm EF pancake.
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Old 02-20-2020   #5
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A 1/2000 speed shutter on a film compact is going to be tough. Most I know of stop at 1/500 or less due to having a leaf shutter. A Barnack Leica with a collapsible Elmar can do 1/1000 but it will be a slower camera to shoot with. A Pentax MX with the 40mm pancake is a fairly small camera with 1/1000 and a great viewfinder. For 1/2000 I think you would be looking at later SLRs. Pick up a Nikon 8008s for $25 or so and you get 1/8000 of a second shutter for example.

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Old 02-20-2020   #6
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Bessa rangefinders? They go to 1/2000th and can be quite small paired with certain lenses

There's also a well priced Hexar RF in the classifieds that goes to 1/4000. Slap a tiny color Skopar 35mm 2.5 on and call it a day.
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Old 02-20-2020   #7
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If the Leica CM is too big and expensive, why would heavier, bigger and (sometimes) more expensive rangefinders be better for the OP?

The Contax T3 is expensive but has 1/1200th of a second...
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Good point with the T3.

I thought it would go only to 1/500 as per this article https://www.lomography.com/magazine/...ntax-t3-camera but this article https://www.contaxcameras.co.uk/_htm...3features.html confirms 1/1200
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Old 02-20-2020   #9
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If the Leica CM is too big and expensive, why would heavier, bigger and (sometimes) more expensive rangefinders be better for the OP?

The Contax T3 is expensive but has 1/1200th of a second...
Indeed T3 is a valid option then, for some reason I thought it does 1/500th just like T2.

Does anyone know if the T3 moves the lens when you half-press the shutter, or does it do it same way as the T2, moves the lens when you release the shutter?

Thank you or the suggestion. I was indeed looking into SLRs, I do own a Fujica AX5 which I believe is one of the smallest SLRs out there, but it's a second body to die on me, meter gets unpredictable and shutter speeds as well. But it's nowhere near the size of a T2. I would go a little bigger, but don't want to go a lot bigger.

Hexar RF is the most tempting camera for me right now, but I know it's not going to be very practical since I won't carry it with me every day.
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Old 02-20-2020   #10
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Nikon F75 with an AF 35mm lens is small, light and cheap. Shutter goes to at least 1/2000. Most expense would be the lens. Camera body is very cheap, but has similar metering to the F6. Downside is that it's DX, but so are most fancy compacts.
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Old 02-20-2020   #11
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You don't need shorter than 1/500 to freeze action, right? But to keep the lens wide open in lots of light? If you really don't want to rethink that aperture preference, are you certain that you can't reach that with slow film? Most negative films also easily tolerate one or two stops of overexposure.
Or you could look for a compact that takes an ND filter.
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Old 02-20-2020   #12
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You don't need shorter than 1/500 to freeze action, right? But to keep the lens wide open in lots of light? If you really don't want to rethink that aperture preference, are you certain that you can't reach that with slow film? Most negative films also easily tolerate one or two stops of overexposure.
Or you could look for a compact that takes an ND filter.
Well actually I would usually load it with portra 800, and just carry it around, take some pictures indoors, in the morning, evenings, and during a day, but in a bright daylight even completely stopped down the /500th would blink in the T2's finder, indicating it's overexposing.

I thought of manufacturing NDs for the tiny lens on the T2 (I rehouse lenses so it seems not to be a problem) but then attaching-detaching and carrying it around, having to slap it on, that would take effort and time.
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If the Leica CM is too big and expensive, why would heavier, bigger and (sometimes) more expensive rangefinders be better for the OP?

The Contax T3 is expensive but has 1/1200th of a second...
They didn't say the CM was too big, only too expensive. The Leica CM is a $1k+ camera while you can get a Bessa R and lens for <$500. OP could sell the T2 and do a straight purchase of an R or even an R2 + lens.

Everyone else is suggesting SLRs...so why not suggest a 400g rangefinder like a Bessa? It's not a big camera and they're cheap enough (at least the R and R2) to not feel guilty about throwing into a backpack.

This is an R4 with a 35mm Skopar.
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Well actually I would usually load it with portra 800, and just carry it around, take some pictures indoors, in the morning, evenings, and during a day, but in a bright daylight even completely stopped down the /500th would blink in the T2's finder, indicating it's overexposing.

I thought of manufacturing NDs for the tiny lens on the T2 (I rehouse lenses so it seems not to be a problem) but then attaching-detaching and carrying it around, having to slap it on, that would take effort and time.
A stick on ND filter would work but have you developed the film? That would be a little less than a stop overexposed. I'd think Portra should handle that easily.

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Old 02-20-2020   #15
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The Rollei QZ 35 P&S cameras go up to 1/8000 sec. From 16 sec manually set!
I have two of them - the wide and regular versions. Absolutely fantastic cameras but large - about the size of an M9. Built out of Ti, designed by Porsche.
Superb lenses - matches up to my Leica 28mm Asph 2.8 (I posted a comparison on this site).

Even my cat loves it:



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sounds like the t3 is the winner. Unfortunately, you can't get them for $500 any more
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Old 02-20-2020   #17
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I was indeed looking into SLRs, I do own a Fujica AX5 which I believe is one of the smallest SLRs out there, but it's a second body to die on me, meter gets unpredictable and shutter speeds as well. But it's nowhere near the size of a T2. I would go a little bigger, but don't want to go a lot bigger.
Here's some information to assist with comparison between the AX5, and a couple of the suggestions (by others) above:

Fujica AX5 --- dimensions: 135mm x 86mm x 54mm weight: 500grams
Pentax MX --- dimensions: 135.5mm x 82.5mm x 49.5mm weight: 495grams
Bessa R --- dimensions: 135mm x 78.5mm x 33.5mm weight: 395grams

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Even my cat loves it:



Your cat appears to be listening - very intently - to the Rollei, Huss. Makes me wonder if s/he is a camera connoisseur?
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Old 02-20-2020   #19
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The Contax TVS III does 1/1000 and it's the size of a T3.
I have used the T2, T3 and TVS III, the lens is amazing and tak sharp at 37,5mm and 45mm.
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Ilford Pan F+, you won't ever worry about needing a faster shutter speed than 1/500th. And the little Rollei 35 cameras are very pocketable.
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The Contax TVS III does 1/1000 and it's the size of a T3.
I have used the T2, T3 and TVS III, the lens is amazing and tak sharp at 37,5mm and 45mm.
The lens is great on the TVSIII, but I've never used a P&S camera that missed focus so many times. It's why I got rid of mine (plus that drawbridge flap got annoying as it really slowed down the start up time. Turn camera on, wait for flap to come down. Then wait for lens to extend. Now you can shoot. TVS and TVSII were much better in that regard)
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Your cat appears to be listening - very intently - to the Rollei, Huss. Makes me wonder if s/he is a camera connoisseur?
She knew where she wasn't meant to be!
i.e. she is a cat...
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Minolta V2?

It has a fixed 50mm lens though so you'd have to put up with that and the 1/2000 doesn't work at all apertures.
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Thanks everyone. I've decided to give the T2 another chance and do a couple more rolls with it. If 1/500th will still bother me I'd look into the T3, even tho the price is ridiculous.
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Well actually I would usually load it with portra 800, and just carry it around, take some pictures indoors, in the morning, evenings, and during a day, but in a bright daylight even completely stopped down the /500th would blink in the T2's finder, indicating it's overexposing.

I thought of manufacturing NDs for the tiny lens on the T2 (I rehouse lenses so it seems not to be a problem) but then attaching-detaching and carrying it around, having to slap it on, that would take effort and time.
If you want small and fast with a great lens then get a Rollei 35. Mastering scale focusing is easy and once you do it really is the fastest shooting experience. You can find ND filters for the lens as well.
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I’ve owned several T2s and a T3 over the years, back when they sold for a couple hundred. This in no way offers the same pocketability, but it does offer a much bigger viewfinder, ground glass focusing with electronic assist, matrix metering, and 1/4000, and lens interchange. Among other things. And it’s obtainable in the $100 range; at least that is what my body and lens cost. Both look almost new. Lightweight for an SLR.

Nikon N80/F80 with an AIS 35/2.8. Focuses to 0.3m. Add a $20 dandelion chip to the lens, which enables metering with the manual focus lens.

Option 2, same camera with 40/2 Ultron SLII N pancake (which has a chip already.) But a lot more $$$$.

Alternatively, also for more money, Contax Aria with 45/2.8 Tessar.
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Doesn’t the T3 have that filter/hood attachment thing? Takes 30.5mm filters iirc. Maybe that’s only the TVS.
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Thanks everyone. I've decided to give the T2 another chance and do a couple more rolls with it. If 1/500th will still bother me I'd look into the T3, even tho the price is ridiculous.
T2 max shutter speed 1/500
T3 max shutter speed 1/1200

Rollei QZ35 max shutter speed 1/8000
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The lens is great on the TVSIII, but I've never used a P&S camera that missed focus so many times. It's why I got rid of mine (plus that drawbridge flap got annoying as it really slowed down the start up time. Turn camera on, wait for flap to come down. Then wait for lens to extend. Now you can shoot. TVS and TVSII were much better in that regard)
Never missed focus with mine! I think you had a defective camera.
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T2 max shutter speed 1/500
T3 max shutter speed 1/1200

Rollei QZ35 max shutter speed 1/8000
Right, but with a non-retractable lens and body that big, Rollei will probably not work as a daily carry-on camera for me.
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Right, but with a non-retractable lens and body that big, Rollei will probably not work as a daily carry-on camera for me.
It is big boned.

But dang dood, three dials control everything at a touch - shutter speed, aperture ring and focus. Set all to A and it does it for you. Turn just the aperture ring off A, and you are in aperture priority.

Turn just the shutter speed off A, and you are instantly in the magical world of being able to select 16 sec to 1/8000.

Turn aperture and shutter off A - manual exposure. No-one else does it that well.

But it is a coat pocket (or neck strap )camera. Guess that level of goodness is too much to slip into a small pocket.

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Never missed focus with mine! I think you had a defective camera.
I'm sure I did, but it seems there are a few out there like mine.
Sucked cuz when it nailed focus - oh my.
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Mju II has 1/1000... Rollei 35 amf (aka Fuji Klasse) as well.
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I'm sure I did, but it seems there are a few out there like mine.
Sucked cuz when it nailed focus - oh my.
I did too... at close focus ranges...
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Yes, there is a 30.5 adapter, so an ND filter could go on the T3.
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as mentioned earlier, Fujifilm Klasse can go as fast as 1/1000 and it also has a nice lens.
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as mentioned earlier, Fujifilm Klasse can go as fast as 1/1000 and it also has a nice lens.
Isn't that only if the correct exposure is at f16? It's not accessible in 'regular' use.
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Note that you get only 1 stop over the 1/500 with the 1/1000 and 1/1200 shutters.

I don't see just that one stop would make much difference photographically. Quite a difference on your banking statement.
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Note that you get only 1 stop over the 1/500 with the 1/1000 and 1/1200 shutters.

I don't see just that one stop would make much difference photographically. Quite a difference on your banking statement.
It does if you want to get the correct exposure. Or freeze action. Or shoot slide film.
With the Rollei QZ series, you of course get 4 stops extra.
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