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Old 11-29-2019   #1
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Kodak to raise prices

In 2020 Kodak will raise film prices:
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Not a surprise. Prices going up everywhere for most every thing.
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Not a surprise. Prices going up everywhere for most every thing.

Actually this is incorrect. Inflation continues to be well below historical averages, to the point that central banks around the world are keeping interest rates at or near zero. Central bankers struggle to understand why inflation is near non existent.
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Where I live Ilford is already substantially cheaper than Kodak. The quality is about the same so... If you only use colour film then Fuji is cheaper... I see a pattern developing...
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Where I live Ilford is already substantially cheaper than Kodak. The quality is about the same so... If you only use colour film then Fuji is cheaper... I see a pattern developing...



In the US, Kodak is significantly cheaper.


Example:
Kodak Tmax 400, 36 exposure is $5.79 at B&H.


Ilford Delta 400, 36 exposure is $7.49 at B&H.


This pattern holds at every American retailer I have seen. Both are excellent films, and some people prefer one or the other; but if price is your main concern, then the Kodak film is the best buy.
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In the US, Kodak is significantly cheaper.


Example:
Kodak Tmax 400, 36 exposure is $5.79 at B&H.


Ilford Delta 400, 36 exposure is $7.49 at B&H.


This pattern holds at every American retailer I have seen. Both are excellent films, and some people prefer one or the other; but if price is your main concern, then the Kodak film is the best buy.
And on this side of the pond, unsurprisingly Ilford is normally cheaper. I do love Kodak black and white films but there is a limit to the mark up over European alternatives that I will pay. But on colour, Kodak cannot currently meet demand, so price rises were inevitable.
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In the US, Kodak is significantly cheaper.


Example:
Kodak Tmax 400, 36 exposure is $5.79 at B&H.


Ilford Delta 400, 36 exposure is $7.49 at B&H.


This pattern holds at every American retailer I have seen. Both are excellent films, and some people prefer one or the other; but if price is your main concern, then the Kodak film is the best buy.



Interesting. At the local: Tri X 24 exposure is $11.40, and HP5+ in 24 exposure is $7.20 CDN


However, Kodak P3200 is $0.20 per roll cheaper than the Ilford Delta 3200...
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Interesting. At the local: Tri X 24 exposure is $11.40, and HP5+ in 24 exposure is $7.20 CDN...
at Downtown Camera in Toronto, they're basically the same price.However, if one is a member of their loyalty program, Kodak products are 25% off. sooo Tri X is cheaper than Ilford.

I'd call and ask if they have free shipping for orders over a certain threshold. even with CanPost, might still be worthwhile.
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I have never seen any type film for sale in Cuba in ten years. But there is a reasonably well stocked Leica store in the Kempinski Manzana hotel in Habana Vieja.

Cuba has some excellent photographers but all shoot digital.
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In the US, Kodak is significantly cheaper.


Example:
Kodak Tmax 400, 36 exposure is $5.79 at B&H.


Ilford Delta 400, 36 exposure is $7.49 at B&H.


This pattern holds at every American retailer I have seen. Both are excellent films, and some people prefer one or the other; but if price is your main concern, then the Kodak film is the best buy.

It might be worth the time to check film prices at Unique Photo in NJ. They often beat B&H, and Ilford film often is slightly less expensive than Kodak at Unique. I usually buy at least 25 rolls at a time.

I'm glad that I restocked my film supply two weeks ago.
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Where I live Ilford is already substantially cheaper than Kodak. The quality is about the same so... If you only use colour film then Fuji is cheaper... I see a pattern developing...
That’s interesting. In Aus Kodak is generally cheaper than Ilford for B&W, and Portra400 is quite a bit cheaper than P400H for colour...
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Bunch of greedy morons announcing price increase on Black Friday.
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Bunch of greedy morons announcing price increase on Black Friday.
Why? Because Black Friday is a sacred day in the Capitalist religion?

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the price increases at all, but I also don't give a damn about when they announce it.
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Why? Because Black Friday is a sacred day in the Capitalist religion?

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the price increases at all, but I also don't give a damn about when they announce it.
Did you ever lived as regular citizen in socialism or you are campus Starbucks social warrior ?

I lived through it. We have to stay inline for hours, or pay more to speculants or buy available garbage. It was multiple choice with commies. For regulars.
I embrace capitalism because my choice is truly multiple.
My current company gave me BF discount code and we saved 40% on outwear which only high ranked commies kids had.

To me increasing price at BF on product I use is like vomiting on opera stage. Act of morons.
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Did you ever lived as regular citizen in socialism or you are campus Starbucks social warrior ?

I lived through it. We have to stay inline for hours, or pay more to speculants or buy available garbage. It was multiple choice with commies. For regulars.
I embrace capitalism because my choice is truly multiple.
My current company gave me BF discount code and we saved 40% on outwear which only high ranked commies kids had.

To me increasing price at BF on product I use is like vomiting on opera stage. Act of morons.
Oh come on, Ko.Fe, was it really that bad? LOL I am just curious: what kind of film did you get in the Soviet era? Did you get the Czech products - Foma?
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Oh come on, Ko.Fe, was it really that bad? LOL I am just curious: what kind of film did you get in the Soviet era? Did you get the Czech products - Foma?
Short answer: it was no foma (who needs bw made in USSR, but ORWO (slide), at least in Moscow.

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In fat on (and just because of tiny population) oil Norway which escaped deadly communism (due to different nature on nation) you just can't image to have needle with liquid food inserted to you soft tissues in your month just because you are on the starving strike due to non agreement with fake communism. And it was considered as soft time. In hard time people were jailed and killed due to the quota. It was golden times of communism.
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Did you ever lived as regular citizen in socialism or you are campus Starbucks social warrior ?

I lived through it. We have to stay inline for hours, or pay more to speculants or buy available garbage. It was multiple choice with commies. For regulars.
I embrace capitalism because my choice is truly multiple.
My current company gave me BF discount code and we saved 40% on outwear which only high ranked commies kids had.

To me increasing price at BF on product I use is like vomiting on opera stage. Act of morons.
Standing in line for hours just to buy garbage? Sounds exactly like Black Friday to me.

Anyways, I don't feel like arguing about capitalism vs socialism as that wasn't the point I was making. The point was, Black Friday is just an arbitrary sales day. There's nothing sacred about it that should be respected.

Also, either you're translating proverbs from another language that don't work in English or you just make the worst similes ever. Vomiting on an opera stage? Why would that be an "act of morons"? Either it's part of the act in which case it makes narrative sense or the opera singer is ill in which case they're in need of medical attention and hardly deserve being called a moron.
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Anyways, I don't feel like arguing about capitalism vs socialism as that wasn't the point I was making. The point was, Black Friday is just an arbitrary sales day. There's nothing sacred about it that should be respected.

Also, either you're translating proverbs from another language that don't work in English or you just make the worst similes ever. Vomiting on an opera stage? Why would that be an "act of morons"? Either it's part of the act in which case it makes narrative sense or the opera singer is ill in which case they're in need of medical attention and hardly deserve being called a moron.
The irony being: he's in Canada where "black Friday" is even more arbitrary than it is in the US because in Canada its not attached to an adjacent holiday. Thanksgiving in Canada is in October.

I remember some years ago, one of the major automakers announced one of its models was to be discontinued and the factory closed (and thousands put out of work). The announcement was made at the close of the business day on the evening before Thanksgiving, perhaps in hopes that the media wouldn't give it much coverage. At least that is what the pundits assumed was the case. As it turned out, it was the lead story on the TV news that night.

If the pundits were right (obviously no one knows for sure), the bad news of the factory closure and layoffs were much more sinister than the horrible bad news that this thread is all about. Hey, they're still making the film, right? Just enjoy it. Pack a bag lunch a couple times a month and save some money to pay for film. Sell some gear you're not using. Etc, etc. Heck there's probably some loose change under your sofa cushions and on the floor of the car.
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... Black Friday is just an arbitrary sales day. There's nothing sacred about it that should be respected.
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Well, not entirely arbitrary: there was an evolution to it.

* Since Thanksgiving is always on Thursday, Americans began making Thursday through Sunday into a long weekend-cum-vacation. These days, it can extend from Wednesday through Monday.

* Since the next big holiday is Christmas, the perfect time to get shopping done ahead of time would be the Friday or weekend directly after Thanksgiving.

* As we all know from accounting, retailers whose finances may have been in the red often had their finances transition to the black on this Thanksgiving weekend.

* Anticipating large crowds and big sales, retailers began opening their stores at crazy early morning hours and being in such lines became a cultural tradition for some people. The cycle thus feeds on itself as a sort of shopping frenzy is anticipated by all.

So, Black Friday is not really arbitrary in origin.
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Did you ever lived as regular citizen in socialism or you are campus Starbucks social warrior ?

I lived through it. We have to stay inline for hours, or pay more to speculants or buy available garbage. It was multiple choice with commies. For regulars.
I embrace capitalism because my choice is truly multiple.
My current company gave me BF discount code and we saved 40% on outwear which only high ranked commies kids had.

To me increasing price at BF on product I use is like vomiting on opera stage. Act of morons.
Not sure if your rant is about socialism or about communism. Either way, you didn't like it whatever system that you lived under. But it sounds as if you're anti-capitalism, too.

In a capitalist system, companies make products, and they are free to charge what they like. And you are free to buy, or not to buy. And if you don't like Kodak's prices, then buy from a competitor.
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Not sure if your rant is about socialism or about communism. Either way, you didn't like it whatever system that you lived under. But it sounds as if you're anti-capitalism, too.

In a capitalist system, companies make products, and they are free to charge what they like. And you are free to buy, or not to buy. And if you don't like Kodak's prices, then buy from a competitor.
Ko.Fe has an idea what he is talking about: austerity which has been a price to pay in controlled economies. Norway was never a communist country, but its social democracy was in some ways austere - particularly when it came to "luxuries" like nice fresh food. I had a little smakbit (taste) here in Oslo when I arrived in the 1990s and lived on the old working class side of town. Most grocery stores had limited stocks and almost no fresh food. Larger supermarkets from Europe were stocked but were too expensive on my salary. The state liquor store was Soviet style - walk up to a counter, the wares were in the back. No quotas but prices were high.
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Basically, what they seem to be saying is that demand has increased rapidly and they can't keep up with their supply. So from a purely (albeit simplistic) economic standpoint it sort of makes sense that they would increase the prices.

I'm really bummed about this as I already go through approximately $1000 worth of Kodak color film a year so any price increase is going to hit me hard. I'll probably place a big order soon, before the price increases hit the stores but even that will at most cover me for another year. Oh well.
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Basically, what they seem to be saying is that demand has increased rapidly and they can't keep up with their supply. So from a purely (albeit simplistic) economic standpoint it sort of makes sense that they would increase the prices.

I'm really bummed about this as I already go through approximately $1000 worth of Kodak color film a year so any price increase is going to hit me hard. I'll probably place a big order soon, before the price increases hit the stores but even that will at most cover me for another year. Oh well.
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Frozen film lasts a long time.
That's true, but it's more a question of how big of an order I can afford to make at once from an economical point of view. I have a tiny freezer so that's not really an option anyways.
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I am back to using up some TM 100 & 400 that has an exp date 2005. Frozen and still good. I am switching to printing where you use two filters, 0 & 5 or 2 & 4 with V35 and multigrade filter module.

I do not use much film and will go back to Ilford.

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Mirko Boddecker, of Adox, has been saying for sometime now that film is too cheap with too little profit margin and that prices need to be a bit higher. So I'm not surprised that Kodak is raising prices.

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Mirko Boddecker, of Adox, has been saying for sometime now that film is too cheap with too little profit margin and that prices need to be a bit higher. So I'm not surprised that Kodak is raising prices.
Clearly, prices are going to go up as the firms still in the business reckon with the costs of redeveloping film production at a smaller volume. BUT . . . some people are already paying out their backsides.

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Interesting. At the local: Tri X 24 exposure is $11.40, and HP5+ in 24 exposure is $7.20 CDN
Oh Canada - these are just outrageous prices.

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Twelve dollars for a 36 exp roll of Tri-X here at the moment.
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Oh Canada - these are just outrageous prices.



Jesus, Mary and Joseph . . . hope your wages sustain that kind of price.
It’s barely more than 30 cents a shot. 30 cents, not $30. Photography is still one of the world’s least expensive hobbies, or can be. Film is more than it was, still pretty cheap, and the cheaper stuff is dirt cheap if Kodak proves too dear.
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It’s barely more than 30 cents a shot. 30 cents, not $30. Photography is still one of the world’s least expensive hobbies, or can be. Film is more than it was, still pretty cheap, and the cheaper stuff is dirt cheap if Kodak proves too dear.
I am not arguing against using film - not at all. I use film - sparingly - but I love it and am willing to pay for it. I have to deal with a tariff barrier here in Norway, but Foma sells locally and is very reasonable. Adox from Germany - can get small quantities shipped here at a reasonable price - or buy it from Fotoimpex in Berlin and bring it back. Kodak - I bring it back on my trips to the states.

My only point was that prices in some places are unreasonable.
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It’s barely more than 30 cents a shot. 30 cents, not $30. Photography is still one of the world’s least expensive hobbies, or can be. Film is more than it was, still pretty cheap, and the cheaper stuff is dirt cheap if Kodak proves too dear.


Thirty cents a shot sounds terrific but after that thirty cents all I have is a 24 by 36mm square of nothing until I develop it ... and then if I want an actual photograph I have to scan or print.

I'm also not arguing against the use of film but to me these days that is not a cheap thing to do!
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So the price of film is going up. That has been continually happening for at least the 50 years I can remember. So is the price of everything else as well as salaries and wages. Did anyone expect the price of film to remain constant while everything else increased?

Who shoots so much film that you cannot compensate simply by eating a lower cost lunch a few days a week?

I remember the same moans and groans with a 30 meter tin of HP5+ (18 36 exposure rolls) went from US$19.95 to $21.95 back some 40 odd years ago. And photographers kept on shooting.

Let's put this into perspective.
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Just keep making the stuff. I’ll pay.
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Basically, what they seem to be saying is that demand has increased rapidly and they can't keep up with their supply...
I truly hope demand is increasing - that would offer film manufacturers reason to keep developing and improving their products.



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Just keep making the stuff. I’ll pay.
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Just keep making the stuff. I’ll pay.

I'm glad to see someone with some sense. Not here, but in the other places I frequent, people complain about every price increase.

If what Adox says is true, which I assume it is, prices for film are too low. The only way to train new people, reinvest in your equipment, is to raise prices. If it costs 4 dollars to make a roll and you sell it for 4.10, you're only covering your costs and a little extra.

At the end of the day, I'll pay for film no matter what the cost (within reason) and just shoot accordingly. I budget for this hobby of mine, and as long as film is being made, I'll likely be a film shooter.
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I'm glad to see someone with some sense. Not here, but in the other places I frequent, people complain about every price increase.

If what Adox says is true, which I assume it is, prices for film are too low. The only way to train new people, reinvest in your equipment, is to raise prices. If it costs 4 dollars to make a roll and you sell it for 4.10, you're only covering your costs and a little extra.

At the end of the day, I'll pay for film no matter what the cost (within reason) and just shoot accordingly. I budget for this hobby of mine, and as long as film is being made, I'll likely be a film shooter.
The recent presentation by the technical man from ADOX (quick web search will find it) could not have been more clear or more accurate on these points.

Current film production (by everyone) is using heritage equipment and drawing on the practical/intellectual skills of an aging technical staff. These are wasting assets.

The ADOX gentleman made it clear that a roll of 135/36 had to fetch about USD$7.50 for a film manufactured in the near future to financially justify replacement/upgrading of production equipment and realistic recruitment offers of career opportunities for technical staff to support production.

Those are the constraints/rules: stated in US$; 20 cents per 35mm shot and film will be available as long as one can use it. Cigarettes. I note, go for 40-50 cents apiece these days. The roll film will do you less personal damage.





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Those are the constraints/rules: stated in US$; 20 cents per 35mm shot and film will be available as long as one can use it. Cigarettes. I note, go for 40-50 cents apiece these days. The roll film will do you less personal damage.


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ITime to dust off the Pen F (film) camera.
Our own forum member Eric shows what is possible with half frame 35.
To bad there is no one ( or no market large enough) to produce a modern updated 35mm half frame SLR with a basic 5 or 6 prime selection of lenses.
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Old 11-29-2019   #38
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Twelve dollars for a 36 exp roll of Tri-X here at the moment.
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Twelve dollars for a 36 exp roll of Tri-X here at the moment.
Is this from the dealer mark up or import duty?
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Is this from the dealer mark up or import duty?


It can't be duty because we don't have an industry here to protect so it has to be mark up. And that price is from an online store called Vanbar Imaging ... one of the largest outlets in Oz. Film has always been stupidly expensive here ... a roll of HP5 is a dollar less.
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