"M (Typ 262)"
Old 11-17-2015   #1
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"M (Typ 262)"

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Old 11-17-2015   #2
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the writer of that post must have a very accurate crystal ball, making a prediction like this: "it won't be cheap." lol.
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Cool, a new M.
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Hopefully it will be dimensionally similar to the current Ms so that the same batteries and cases will work. Because, you know, saving $300 after dropping 8 grand is important.

My crystal ball tells me that it will not have much more than 24 Mp if it keeps the Leica mechanical rangefinder.

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Hopefully it will be dimensionally similar to the current Ms so that the same batteries and cases will work. Because, you know, saving $300 after dropping 8 grand is important.

My crystal ball tells me that it will not have much more than 24 Mp if it keeps the Leica mechanical rangefinder.

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OMG, then will I be forced to upgrade from my Iphone?
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Old 11-19-2015   #7
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http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/leic...-within-hours/

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Old 11-19-2015   #8
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Hmmm mabelsound, are you going to get your (our!) M6 sized M digital today?
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Old 11-19-2015   #9
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5500 Euro, not exactly entry level but no video sounds good.
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Here it is:

http://en.leica-camera.com/Photograp...EICA-M-Typ-262

http://leicarumors.com/2015/11/19/ne...nnounced.aspx/

$5195 US
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Old 11-19-2015   #11
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No video, no LV, aluminum top plate. That it ?
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No video, no LV, aluminum top plate. That it ?
and lower price...but no change in size.
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and lower price...but no change in size.
yeah, no

although, if I were in the market for a new M, this is probably the one I would get.
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Yeah bit at least it includes a new ala carte program.

http://leicarumors.com/2015/11/19/ne...nnounced.aspx/
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Good news, but not "entry level". This is closer to what a Leica "M" should be, no video and other gew gaws. There are many great cameras out there that have video and let you use long lenses easily etc. If I go on I'll just be preaching to the converted! I'm glad the price came down a little, they kept the optical rangefinder, and it seems like it keeps the same large battery of the M240.
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Good news, but not "entry level".
Entry level for Leica is all relative.

Not sure this will help sell any of these...

http://en.leica-camera.com/Photograp...EICA-M-Typ-262

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A mirrorless camera without the live view, is like a porn movie theatre without a porn movie.
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A mirrorless camera without the live view, is like a porn movie theatre without a porn movie.
Well, technically it's not mirrorless right?
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Yay!
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Yay!

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This is a graceful way to reduce the price: decontenting via removing video, Live View the frameline preview lever, and the brass top plate (which actually adds a ton of weight and adds no value to black or silver chrome).

Five grand is actually a steal for the kind of quality the sensor delivers, provided that in the 1,000+ you saved, you don't lose something else you wanted. I'm sorry for the people who can't seem to keep their hands off the video or Live View buttons - the loss of the EVF is actually a huge loss in functionality. First, it eliminates your ability to accurately focus super-speed lenses (and any R or other SLR lens, slide copying rig, etc.). Second, you lose three-axis leveling (no optical accessory finder can show you the X-Y level in two different camera orientations), which is a big deal for architectural or landscape photography. Third, you can't use the camera as a tool to calibrate lenses. Finally, it eliminates the backup focusing method when, inevitably, the RF gets knocked out/drifts of alignment. On these last two points, unless you have an EVF to establish the baseline performance of the lens, you might not even know your lens is acting abnormally.

The illustration photos are awesome, particularly the man sleeping on the bench. Thank your lucky stars that this was not taken in the Englischergarten in Munich.

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This is a graceful way to reduce the price: decontenting via removing video, Live View the frameline preview lever, and the brass top plate (which actually adds a ton of weight and adds no value to black or silver chrome).
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Exactly. And you are right about the EVF, too.

The real question is when will Leica muster the courage and vision to make a move like they did going from Barnack to M?

It's time to throw out the M design as a M6 look-alike and make a modern camera with the same priorites as the lenses, which are really the only reason Leica is still going. The lenses are as small as possible and even sacrifice performance to some degree, to this end.

Many of us want the smallest, lightest body possible. The Sony A7 is thinner than the M6 at the LCD. Forget the squareness. Make some humps where you need to, but try to make them ergonomic, small and light.

Next get this: RF is not about tradition, for many of us. We like RF because of performance: it's clear, it's fast, and you see alot. So give us that with a EVF alongside, built in. Inboard.

So you, Leica, make three basic cameras:

1)M6 knockoff, with 240 features but smaller and lighter.
2) the MN. N is for new, and this is the camera I describe above.
3) same as above but without RF, EVF only, but a really good one. This is the interchangeable Q.

Oh Charlie, you say, too many models, you are dreaming!

Count the models today. Three options for M is fine and you add monochrome versions at least for one.

Oh and one more thing: when you make the MN add the potential to control an AF lens. Then make some. Not for me. But others like them.
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...The real question is when will Leica muster the courage and vision to make a move like they did going from Barnack to M?
In my opinion it's what Leica did with the SL...

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In my opinion it's what Leica did with the SL...

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The SL is a bridge with the S system and a new body for the R lenses (and M).

It's a wonderful camera, but in this context it's way too big. You see again and again Leica users begging for smaller and lighter.

A least the ME262 is lighter. But they are doing the cheapest changes here, and that precludes a redesign to make it thinner, but that will greatly effect sales too.

This same camera, close to M6 footprint, would have 3 times + the demand.

Of course they can never seem to meet demand anyway.
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I would love the live view if it came as part of a hybrid viewfinder, à la the X-Pro1, but the giant accessory EVF looks and feels awkward to me on an M. Content to use an A7 when live view is needed and save the Leicas for the pure, unadulterated, intentionally compromised pleasures of 1953.
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So people are happy that they slapped on an inaccurate rangefinder onto a camera and removed the EVF with enough pixels to tell you whether you are off-focused or not? Might as well go back to the 18MP M instead.
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So people are happy that they slapped on an inaccurate rangefinder onto a camera and removed the EVF with enough pixels to tell you whether you are off-focused or not? Might as well go back to the 18MP M instead.
I think the primary advantage over the M9/M-E would be high-ISO shooting.
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i wonder if a software hack could add or activate live view, or if there is a hardware change that precludes that possibility....
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So people are happy that they slapped on an inaccurate rangefinder onto a camera and removed the EVF with enough pixels to tell you whether you are off-focused or not? Might as well go back to the 18MP M instead.
Well, we are on the rangefinderforum...
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So...machining a top plate out of aluminum and using different firmware reduces the price by $2755.
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More a reduced M240 than a CMOS-fied M9
I do have to say I miss the frameline illumination window
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+1 what Dante_Stella said. Losing LV isn't a bonus, IMHO. For me, using legacy glass on the M 240 is creative and interesting -- without LV the M 262 will be less versatile than the M 240. How else can you focus a wobbly $30 Jupiter-8 on a $5000 camera?
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'Entry level, like the ME'...

Me262, careful now Leitz...
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Me262, careful now Leitz...
Good catch, Johan. The first ever jet-powered Leica? I'd buy one.
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Not sure how much I'm interested in this camera but to have a cheaper simpler alternative to the 240 type for the ones (me? maybe) enjoying RF photography is not bad.

Of course LV and EVF are very useful if you plan to use other lenses, in this case the 240 is your camera.

Just thinking, now the price delta could be a little bit more...

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If I didn't already have a M240, this is the one to go with.

I have always thought that Leica does not want to produce a more pure camera below M240, because they know, photographers who just want a 'camera' will flock to this lower price point version instead of the one with video and other functionality.

Imagine the special edition without LCD and without video and sell for 4000. I think most people who currently uses rangefinder or coming from film will be more than happy to pick that up and spend less money.
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I just got a Q and LV is definitely a very useful tool when your can't comfortably get behind the RF. Who needed video anyway ...
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Reading the above, I think my recent $ 4,000 investment in a new M-E was a good one. It has, more or less the same features, except for the smaller screen.
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It has an aluminum body? Is that right?
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It has an aluminum body? Is that right?
No, top plate.
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