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Old 3 Weeks Ago   #81
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If it's full frame, I could be interested.

I like the concept. The camera is just for shooting and everything else happens external. More film like in some ways.

However, I bet it uses some sort of sub fullframe sensor due to cost.

Love to see it come to fruition but not holding my breath.
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If it is APS-anything and the price is similar to a used M240 then...
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Definitely won't be full frame, or any more of a computer generation gimmick again. Internal 8Gb or 32 Gb memory, without expansion slot means either very low megapickle count or small sensor size. If it costs more than Rd-1, what's the pointe?
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Old 3 Weeks Ago   #84
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About time someone challenges Leica in the mirrorless digital RF field. Hope it's full frame and cheap/affordable
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Definitely won't be full frame, or any more of a computer generation gimmick again. Internal 8Gb or 32 Gb memory, without expansion slot means either very low megapickle count or small sensor size. If it costs more than Rd-1, what's the pointe?
Well, if it is modern APSC and over 6mp, there is a point...
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Points will be evident once the price (point) and the sensor are known.

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About time someone challenges Leica in the mirrorless digital RF field. Hope it's full frame and cheap/affordable
I am amazed that Cosina Voigtländer has not picked up the mantel and ran with it and made an affordable line of FF digital RF with M mount, something like a Canon P meets the Epson R-d1 ( which BTW was based from their heritage of film RF cameras) to augment their line of fine M mount lenses.
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I am very interested in this. However, full frame would be more ideal given the frameline indicated in the spec. 28/35/40/50 are the lenses that I have. If this is APSC then we are looking at view angle equivalent of 42/52/60/75 give or take a little which is still very usable. I use 35/50 the most and either format works in this sense.

My take on why they only published the pixel size but no sensor size is probably because the sensor is still being developed and the challenge of global shutter is read out speed. I wouldn't be surprised to see a full frame but low pixel count? if you want this to be an extension of the phone, the sensor has to outperform the phone to be worth while on top of form factor.

I look forward to the spec and price and reviews.
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I am amazed that Cosina Voigtländer has not picked up the mantel and ran with it and made an affordable line of FF digital RF with M mount, something like a Canon P meets the Epson R-d1 ( which BTW was based from their heritage of film RF cameras) to augment their line of fine M mount lenses.
Y not a digital Zeiss Ikon ZM?
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Zeiss or CV would have already done it if they were interested... I would think. The time to do so would have been 2008-2013.
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Y not a digital Zeiss Ikon ZM?
Because Zeiss as a firm does things slow and sure and is as manoeuvrable as a super tanker making a three point turn in choppy seas. CV can pull this off much easier.
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Perhaps a CV range finder, APSC sensor (CMOS!!), M-Mount, no image viewing on the camera, or an expensive EVF, sounds like a very nice option.

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Truth be told, if I have to carry two pieces of equipment with me (camera and phone) I am not terribly interested. I don't always have my phone with me, and I don't need yet more reasons to be tied to that thing. If this camera can play as a stand alone tool, it could be of interest to me. It would have to be full frame though.

I don't see any indications (either way) this new camera can play on its own.
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I would be surprised if it could not work independently of the phone.

First things first, let's see if this thing actually emerges from promise to reality. At that point, it can be critiqued for how well/poorly the concept is executed...
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Truth be told, if I have to carry two pieces of equipment with me (camera and phone) I am not terribly interested. I don't always have my phone with me, and I don't need yet more reasons to be tied to that thing. If this camera can play as a stand alone tool, it could be of interest to me. It would have to be full frame though.

I don't see any indications (either way) this new camera can play on its own.
Again, the site does in fact say the camera can be used stand alone. Click on the press link and read the news release.

"Pixii is a geniune stand alone camera."
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Lm...Ht32-dGcLXIklf

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Has anyone ever seen a camera that was not stand alone?


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The Sony Lens cameras ...or the DXO One.
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I don't like being pessimistic, but I suspect this will be an overpriced crop-sensor camera.
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The Sony Lens cameras ...or the DXO One.
DXO One can be used stand alone. It is a fantastically tiny little *good* camera when used that way.

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...d.php?t=166245

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It's APSC, priced €3500:

https://leicarumors.com/2018/11/12/p...nd-e3500.aspx/
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hope the pricing rumor isn't accurate.
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12 MP? I mean yeah sure, megapixels isn't everything but come on...
I'll keep shooting with my lovely M8
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Pretty much spec'ed as an M8 which was introduced in 2004, only without a rear screen or the Leica name. I am sure it will find some buyers as a fashion accessory, but I can't see any photographers buying it.
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Old 4 Days Ago   #105
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why bother to buy a new APS-C if you can buy an M8 (APS-H) or even a fullframe M9 for less?!
Really can't see their sales argument

is the sensor on the Pixii also CMOS?
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Old 4 Days Ago   #106
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With those antiquated specs and hefty price one wonders of what is the whole point of this endeavour ?

I mean a new FF Sony A7 II with kit lens was selling at below a grand USD in the USA recently.
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LOL. At 350 Euro I'd pass.
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The sensor is APS-C...but with a 4:3 aspect ratio? Weird...could be interesting. I would not mind shooting this with Fuji telephotos for portraits, and adapting an 18mm full frame lens to shoot architecture on vacations (depending on what shift adapters there are).

And hey, global shutter!

Edit: uh...no LCD screen? Without an EVF, I can't do either of the things I was thinking of. UGH!!!
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Although not competitive, it sounds like a real thing...which is better than all those scams.
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So this 12mp apsc camera is more expensive than the 46mp full frame Nikon Z7?
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Who would buy this over a used M240? I mean it is a nice design and I do think it is cool to see someone attempt something new, but you can't charge the Leica tax on an under-spec'd camera when you are not Leica...
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So this 12mp apsc camera is more expensive than the 46mp full frame Nikon Z7?
Well, in all fairness, they aren't a volume player right?
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I mean a new FF Sony A7 II with kit lens was selling at below a grand USD in the USA recently.
Yeah, and some people hate Sony. I'd rather shoot with almost any other camera than Sony. That said, I too would choose the Sony over this just because it is better suited to my photography (but I really do not like using a Sony camera).
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Yeah, and some people hate Sony. I'd rather shoot with almost any other camera than Sony. That said, I too would choose the Sony over this just because it is better suited to my photography (but I really do not like using a Sony camera).
The thing is that love or hate Sony, one can make a decision to buy or not to buy a particular brand on price alone.

Both Canon and Nikon's new FF mirrorless cameras are priced to over 2.5x to to 3x of what a comparable and relatively modern Sony model that is on sale.

For most, bargain sale pricing alone can make deciding which brand to buy all that much easier.
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Although not competitive, it sounds like a real thing...which is better than all those scams.
You don't think $3500 for this camera with these specs isn't a scam of sorts?
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You don't think $3500 for this camera with these specs isn't a scam of sorts?
They could sell a 1mp camera for $100'000 and it still wouldn't be a scam so long as they deliver what they promise for the price they advertise.
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You don't think $3500 for this camera with these specs isn't a scam of sorts?
I chose my word because I'm not implying it is real. It simply sounds realistic as the cost of a low-volume player entering a niche-of-the-niche market could manage to offer.

There is a reason that Zeiss/Cosina/Voigtlander/Fuji/Whoever still hasn't churn out the full frame digital rangefinder with a price tag under $2,000 that everyone's so gonna buy.
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Pretty much spec'ed as an M8 which was introduced in 2004...
Well, probably better high ISO and dynamic range...
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They could sell a 1mp camera for $100'000 and it still wouldn't be a scam so long as they deliver what they promise for the price they advertise.
It does not even have to be as high as 1mp and could be super cheesily built as ever and as long as it is delivered it will not be a scam, but a slight rip-off ala Yashica Y35
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Epson RD1 users finally have viable upgrade path?
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