New Leica Summaron-M 28mm f/5.6 lens?
Old 05-19-2016   #1
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New Leica Summaron-M 28mm f/5.6 lens?

Haven't seen this posted here:

http://leicarumors.com/2016/05/15/mo...5-6-lens.aspx/

Strange if true.
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Old 05-19-2016   #2
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hopefully this will be priced more for the users rather than the collectors.

i think it's a really cool idea to remake some of those classics with modern coatings and materials.
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If they are doing this, I hope they'll update the front end a bit so it can take regular screw-in filters.

I'd like to see Summar, Summitar, classic Elmar 50/3.5, and Summaron 35/3.5.
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I like this bit:

"Will not compete with the currently available Leica M lens designs"

Ya think? A 28mm lens with max aperture of F5.6?
The regular asph Elmarit is already tiny and it has an f2.8 aperture. The slowest I would have gone would be f3.5. Which would be a miniscule lens.

Not even Lomo would release something like this! The Lomo Minitar is a 32mm 2.8 and it is a pancake..
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hopefully this will be priced more for the users rather than the collectors.
This would be 100% a collector lens.
What user would want to be limited to a f5.6 28mm lens?
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This would be 100% a collector lens.
What user would want to be limited to a f5.6 28mm lens?
I have to agree. I don't know anyone that would choose a f/5.6 lens of any kind.. unless it were the only option.
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What user would want to be limited to a f5.6 28mm lens?
Landscape photographers or zone focusing street photographers?

I'm with you though...
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Old 05-19-2016   #8
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The fact they can sell a digital camera without LCD proves they can basically sell anything.

Any criticism is superfluous.

Personally I do like the idea of limited products. They should reissue the Summicron 5cm Rigid with 0.7mm minimum focus distance, and Kodak, some HIEs.
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The fact they can sell a digital camera without LCD proves they can basically sell anything.

Any criticism is superfluous.
I disagree. No performance is lost with the M-D.

This lens is like issuing an M-D that has a top shutter speed of 1/500 sec.
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Old 05-19-2016   #10
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It's just like the M-D: minimal incremental engineering and Leica clientele will most certainly buy all that they build.

This is just another way to create profits and that's good for shareholders.
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Nice to see all the positivity.
Leica should have a dedicated engineer chained to a fence somewhere so that every time they announced something new and different, people could walk by, call him names and give him 40 lashes.
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This would be 100% a collector lens.
What user would want to be limited to a f5.6 28mm lens?
Actually it is not a problem for Orion 15 users.
Here is the link for recent pictures taken with this lens by russian speaking users. Some are using it on M Leicas.
http://rangefinder.ru/glr/showgallery.php?device=40

Some users prefer this lens rendering over more fast 28ts and not using it just because of the price.

This old Leica lens might be the same. If they only make it in black.
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How large will the hood be ?
Can you use a ND filter and the hood at the same time ?
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I disagree. No performance is lost with the M-D.

This lens is like issuing an M-D that has a top shutter speed of 1/500 sec.
I don't really think the word "performance" is relevant when it comes to Leica.

You may disagree but let's wait and see.
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This would be 100% a collector lens.
What user would want to be limited to a f5.6 28mm lens?
the more you stop down a lens, the less of its character remains. I do think many people will consider f5.6 a limitation, as you so describe.

However, with a f5.6 max lens, you can shoot wide open anytime, get pretty good depth of field, and zone focus quite easily at 28mm. Somewhat of the same reasons I'd rather have my f2.8 35mm summaron than a f1.4 summilux. Personally, I think a 28mm summaron would be a ton of fun on the street and for landscapes.

agree with hoping that they add regular filter threads.

Having said all of this, doubt i'll get one. Trying to get rid of things and simplify, that have more selection of character lenses is a luxury I no longer want.
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Actually it is not a problem for Orion 15 users.
Here is the link for recent pictures taken with this lens by russian speaking users. Some are using it on M Leicas.
Yes, lenses work at f5.6. I understand that. It's just helpful to have some apertures that are larger than f5.6 too.
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the more you stop down a lens, the less of its character remains. .
Agreed. On the upside I do see lots of softness, flare and haze in those Orion images so there is that going for it.
But that's ok cuz those lenses only cost like a nickel. It's not like they paid $300 for a Lomo Minitar as I did..
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I suggest a Summarino 28/f16...
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Old 05-19-2016   #19
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Guess it will be listed as a budget lens. For Leica, "budget" probably means something priced under $2,000 (and never below $1,000). I bet $1,495 would be a fair point for them - but not for me.

Think about it, it's just ridiculous.
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I suggest a Summarino 28/f16...
No aperture ring, no focus ring!
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I actually like the idea of this lens, but in fact I already own a black Canon 28/3.5 that I use almost always at F5.6 or F8.0 for street.

BTW I love that the distance scale is marked in feet only.

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Guess it will be listed as a budget lens. For Leica, "budget" probably means something priced under $2,000 (and never below $1,000). I bet $1,495 would be a fair point for them - but not for me.

Think about it, it's just ridiculous.
The version 3 50/2.8 Elmar collapsible was priced at $1050.00 not that long ago new. There also happen to be a $200.00 or $250.00 Leica rebate at that time.

Basically I bought a brand new Leica lens for under a $1K cost after the rebate.

I own a 28 Cron ASPH. About 95% of my shots are at F5.6, and when I shoot the other 5% it is basically at F2.0.

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Let's try to guess on price... I'm thinking $2,000
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Let's try to guess on price... I'm thinking $2,000
John,

That's crazy money.

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It should only be about 50% more than the 28/2.8. After all, it offers less, kinda like the M-D.

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Now they just need to make a digital If to go along with it...



* I know it's not a Summaron.
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Yes, lenses work at f5.6. I understand that. It's just helpful to have some apertures that are larger than f5.6 too.
Yes, personally, I still need 2.8 for street photography. And at least 3.5 for indoors.
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I like this bit:

"Will not compete with the currently available Leica M lens designs"

Ya think? A 28mm lens with max aperture of F5.6?
The regular asph Elmarit is already tiny and it has an f2.8 aperture. The slowest I would have gone would be f3.5. Which would be a miniscule lens.

Not even Lomo would release something like this! The Lomo Minitar is a 32mm 2.8 and it is a pancake..
I guess its going to be at a low price point and hopefully it will be sharp wide open (if you can call f5.6 wide). The main thing leica could go for is some crazy sharpness.
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I can't see this being cheap... I just can't.
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I think I heard those 28mm 5.6 lenses are supposed to have crazy good resolution..but not much contrast..
If Leica redesigns it..and with modern coatings..could be a gem..!
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Has the success of the Lomography Art Lens series prompted this response from Leica?

Why not? I've commented in the past that I would like to see them re-introduce some of these old lenses - same design as before with all their limitations - to add more character to the standard uber-perfect lens lineup.

Starting with the 28/5.6 is very bold: I like it.
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Will Leica re-issue the companion SOOBK?
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doesn't have to be cheap:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEICA-Summar...UAAOSwx-9WvyP2
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The version 3 50/2.8 Elmar collapsible was priced at $1050.00 not that long ago new. There also happen to be a $200.00 or $250.00 Leica rebate at that time.

Basically I bought a brand new Leica lens for under a $1K cost after the rebate.

I own a 28 Cron ASPH. About 95% of my shots are at F5.6, and when I shoot the other 5% it is basically at F2.0.

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Me too still remember the old days when a M-Elmar has a MSRP of $1095. Even the MP was "cheap" then, if there's no inflation to factor in. But that was until 2007, during which Leica dumped the Elmar and replaced it with the $1295 Summarit 50/2.5, which in its latest incarnation (the 50/2.4) retails for $1795. I think it's currently the lowest-priced M lens in the portfolio.
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A reissue Summaron 28 will appeal to anyone seeking a nice copy of the classic v1 (that would be me). The original was released a long time ago, and is hard to find in any condition. The Elmarit ASPH is simply awesome and smallóI have oneóbut is not a pancake.
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It comes with the SOOBK, which usually is very pricey for a hood. Actually would be nice if they'd offer that again...
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Camera Porn. Leica Summaron 28mm f5.6 Ltm by T&T and Mr B Abrahamsson, on Flickr

Summaron 28mm f5.6 on a grey Bessa T - and with a Nikon 28 finder. The Summaron 28/f5.6 is a really good lens for its age. It has very high resolution, but flat contrast and yes, substantial edge fall off. A modern version would be interesting though. Get the contrast up a bit and with modern coatings. My question is why? Most of the recent "retro" cameras have done rather badly, Nikon S3 Millennium, Nikon SP 2005 etc. The lenses retain their value - the bodies not so. I tried My Summaron on a Sony A7 and it took quite some manipulation with the edge correction to make the image palatable.
With film it works fine.
Now the next question is: would it be a M-mount, would it have contacts to the digital M's processor ?. Considering that you can find Summaron 28f5.6's for around $6-800 and get the true vintage look - would a new most likely $2000 be of any interest.
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Now the next question is: would it be a M-mount, would it have contacts to the digital M's processor ?. Considering that you can find Summaron 28f5.6's for around $6-800 and get the true vintage look - would a new most likely $2000 be of any interest.
I guess I'm thinking it will be made in small quantities, it will be M mount, and it will be new... and Leica doesn't make any cheap lenses. The cheapest new and in production lens that they sell is $1795.
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I'm liking this. Looking forward to the release.
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Just heard about this as I began looking for a summaron 28. I love the idea. A vintage lens with a passport warranty.

I suspect that with CNC machines this kind of thing would be pretty easy for them to do from the old drawings?
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