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Old 06-19-2019   #81
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What is the current market value of a kidney? Just curious.
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What is the current market value of a kidney? Just curious.
Today's day rate here at RFF seems to be the dollar value of a new 50MP Blad 907X. LOL.

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Kidney-less Zombies walk around with 2 Hasselbald Cameras!
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Kidney-less Zombies walk around with 2 Hasselbald Cameras!

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Today's day rate here at RFF seems to be the dollar value of a new 50MP Blad 907X. LOL.

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This does not leave any room for buying two cameras!
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This does not leave any room for buying two cameras!
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All depends on the price.

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The Hasselblad X1D II 50C will be available in July 2019 and will cost $5750 (before tax) or €6000/£5400 (inc VAT)
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More in-depth description of new back and controls @2:45 - https://youtu.be/BRzknEsSzfo?t=165

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Isn't the 907X just...a repackaged X1D with the viewfinder removed? I must be dumb but really can't see it doing anything the X1D couldn't.

Except that you can now hold it in the uncomfortable way.
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Not bad. I'd still enjoy unwrapping a fresh roll of 120 film rather than shoot digital. But that's just me.
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Holy moly. Very nice!
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What can this lump do that my Lomo LC-A 120 can’t?
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Touch screen???

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Not bad. I'd still enjoy unwrapping a fresh roll of 120 film rather than shoot digital. But that's just me.
Well the X1D v1 easily equals 810 color film, something I don't say lightly having shot 810 for twenty five years (I'm not alone in this opinion). I've left most analog MF and all LF behind. The X1D fits in a A&A ACAM 7100 bag with a Leica. Zero contest, unless one needs to use some expired or soon to be discontinued film...

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Isn't the 907X just...a repackaged X1D with the viewfinder removed? I must be dumb but really can't see it doing anything the X1D couldn't.

Except that you can now hold it in the uncomfortable way.
It seems more like the ALPA system - a means of connecting a lens and a sensor or film back. I would assume that the 907X will allow for future backs to be used with the same body and range of lenses.

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What can this lump do that my Lomo LC-A 120 can’t?
Uh, focus for starters.

Use dozens or hundreds of lenses?
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Excuse my ignorance, but who's the target customer for this? No professional photographer working for an Ad company and needs 50Mpix would use old manual lenses ... and no rich enthusiast/amateur would schlep such a heavy camera to a cocktail party or on vacation. To me, this is pure nostalgia with no market.
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Excuse my ignorance, but who's the target customer for this? No professional photographer working for an Ad company and needs 50Mpix would use old manual lenses ... and no rich enthusiast/amateur would schlep such a heavy camera to a cocktail party or on vacation. To me, this is pure nostalgia with no market.
Good point. I am certainly not interested in the 907.
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Excuse my ignorance, but who's the target customer for this? No professional photographer working for an Ad company and needs 50Mpix would use old manual lenses ... and no rich enthusiast/amateur would schlep such a heavy camera to a cocktail party or on vacation. To me, this is pure nostalgia with no market.

I tend to agree but in case you hadn't noticed nostalgia sells very well these days.

I have to admit that if I had that sort of money laying around I would love to put that on my beaten up old Hassy that hasn't seen any action for a long, long time! This thing is the drug that a lot of old V system owners will be selling their kids for.
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pure nostalgia with no market.

It's worked okay for sales of:

Harley Davidson
Ford Mustang
Dodge Challenger
Chevrolet Camaro
Fiat 500
Mini
Sellers of mechanical watches, fountain pens, phonographs
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What is the price of the new back?
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True, in their video they even had a gray-bearded hipster grab this Hassi, get into his -- electric! -- Mustang and drive to a photo shoot.
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I have to admit that if I had $10k to spend on a digital camera with a standard lens, I'd prefer the X1D II over a Leica M10 or SL. The design is simply gorgeous and they addressed most of the shortcoming of the X1D (e.g., being sloooooooow).
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What is the price of the new back?
They're releasing the prices of the back and the 907x body later in the year.
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Isn't the 907X just...a repackaged X1D with the viewfinder removed? I must be dumb but really can't see it doing anything the X1D couldn't.

Except that you can now hold it in the uncomfortable way.
The back has most of the smarts in it. The 907X body is basically a lens mount and a back holder, connecting the two main components.

Some of us prefer the way you hold a classic Hasselblad with waist level finder vs an eye level camera... It presents a different point of view and is not at all uncomfortable to my hands.

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Well the X1D v1 easily equals 810 color film, something I don't say lightly having shot 810 for twenty five years (I'm not alone in this opinion). I've left most analog MF and all LF behind. The X1D fits in a A&A ACAM 7100 bag with a Leica. Zero contest, unless one needs to use some expired or soon to be discontinued film...


For you maybe. Not me. Not even close.
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For you maybe. Not me. Not even close.
+1.

Twenty years and many still can't see difference between digital and film. It was, is nothing but pixels for those many and twenty years.
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More in-depth description of new back and controls @2:45 - https://youtu.be/BRzknEsSzfo?t=165

Still no square. Ugh
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That acrylic grey sweater should go really well with my 500CM. The sleeves are too long though.
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I hope Fujifilm has shamed them into realistic pricing. My 500CM would love to see more use with a digital back like this.
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Uh, focus for starters.

Use dozens or hundreds of lenses?
The Lomo has a focus lever. Hundreds of lenses? For what? Who does that?
I think real mf size of the 120 film for real mf rendering is much more important than that dinky little rectangle sensor, no matter how many pixels it has. What is it, 42x36? Vs 58x58 of film? Should really be called mini medium format. mmf. or micro mini medium format. mmmf.
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Huss, just looking at the general appeal of the Sony mirrorless offerings as platforms for all manner of lenses makes me see the potential for all kinds of lenses on the 907. The X1D itself is quite capable of using lots of lenses from all manner of makers (via adapters obviously).

I’d never think anyone should stop shooting MF film, but to say MF film is equal or better to these MF sensors for any measure of rendering is not something I can agree with. One could likely get close with some ADOX CMS, but comparing even a 16x20 from 810 film to images spit out by the X1D clearly changed the game for me, who long thought that I’d be shooting glass plates and printing on hand coated paper before giving up 810.

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It needs a phrase like “back in black” except saying “Blad is back”.
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Huss, just looking at the general appeal of the Sony mirrorless offerings as platforms for all manner of lenses makes me see the potential for all kinds of lenses on the 907. The X1D itself is quite capable of using lots of lenses from all manner of makers (via adapters obviously).

I’d never think anyone should stop shooting MF film, but to say MF film is equal or better to these MF sensors for any measure of rendering is not something I can agree with. One could likely get close with some ADOX CMS, but comparing even a 16x20 from 810 film to images spit out by the X1D clearly changed the game for me, who long thought that I’d be shooting glass plates and printing on hand coated paper before giving up 810.



Ok.
Very fair points Bob, and of course I was stirring the pot somewhat.
What I do genuinely find disappointing is no-one has yet matched the square film ratio. I would much prefer a 24-36mp 60x60 sensor (or thereabouts) to a 50-100mp 45x36 sensor.
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Huss, just looking at the general appeal of the Sony mirrorless offerings as platforms for all manner of lenses makes me see the potential for all kinds of lenses on the 907. The X1D itself is quite capable of using lots of lenses from all manner of makers (via adapters obviously).
I agree that there is a subgroup of photographers that like to use old manual focus lenses on modern digital cameras. I get that it is neat that you can use them and they are cheap, but I have not been won over by focus peaking and magnification as focusing aids. They feel unnatural and kludgy to me. Focusing shouldn't be such a rigamarole. Perhaps the new EVFs like on the Lumix S1/S1R are the needed improvement.
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...What I do genuinely find disappointing is no-one has yet matched the square film ratio. I would much prefer a 24-36mp 60x60 sensor (or thereabouts) to a 50-100mp 45x36 sensor.
Big fan of the square as well. The native square files from the X1D are stunning, and the camera makes it easy to compose either in the VF or on the rear screen. True, none of these shoots at the whole 120 frame size, but I haven't see that as a problem (especially if the lenses continue to get faster). I've not run into problems with too much DOF often, certainly not as often as I did with too little on even MF film, let alone the 810.

We all have our needs - both aesthetic and physical - and I continue to be surprised at how well the X1D fills mine.

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