Summilux 50mm f/1.4 first version.
Old 08-28-2019   #1
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Summilux 50mm f/1.4 first version.


This is my camera.

On the right side (seen from above), in two "hills" of the focusing ring, a hole is made on the same place DDD had a focusing stick on his Summilux (v2). Has anybody seen holes like this before on a black Summilux v1?




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This is the camera of David Douglas Duncan.
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Old 08-28-2019   #2
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Beautiful lens! You'll have fun with this one!
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Old 08-28-2019   #3
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Here it is:
David Douglas Duncan’s Leica MP, 1955: sold for 2.19M at auction in 2012-2
Pictures like this has to be with the link to original.

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Old 08-28-2019   #4
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When did you buy this lens, Erik?
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Old 08-28-2019   #5
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Kostja, everybody knows this picture of Duncans camera. Mine is a v1, Duncans is a v2.

Paulbe, thank you, here she is:
Leica MP, Summilux 50mm f/1.4 v1, 400-2TMY/Adox MCC 110.

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Old 08-28-2019   #6
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When did you buy this lens, Erik?

Raid, I got it this morning.

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Old 08-28-2019   #7
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WOW! I looked for one but I could not find a good buy. Congrats.
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Old 08-28-2019   #8
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Wonderful Erik!
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Old 08-28-2019   #9
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Erik--looks like it works! Of course, all your pix are excellent....thanks for posting.
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Old 08-28-2019   #10
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I now have two of them, a chrome one nr. 1702441 and a black one nr. 1703963. Both are in extremely good condition.

For candid shots the black one is better: less noticeable.

There are interesting differences: the chrome one has diaphragm blades made of steel and the black one has blades made of brass. No rust on brass, so the black one is really a more professional lens.

The black one is one gram lighter and weights 322 grams.

Coatings are also different: purple, blue and yellow for the chrome one and orange and red, violet for the black one.

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Old 08-28-2019   #11
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I had a 50 Summilux v1 in original LTM once and it was so soft I sold it. If I had known anything about Leica lens rarity I would have kept it and tried to fix it. I knew these lenses couldn’t have been designed to be so soft.
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I had a 50 Summilux v1 in original LTM once and it was so soft I sold it. If I had known anything about Leica lens rarity I would have kept it and tried to fix it. I knew these lenses couldn’t have been designed to be so soft.
Could have been haze. I have a rigid Summicron 50mm that became suddenly very hazy, someone cleaned it for me, but the lens was never as good as before.

The Summiluxes in LTM are extremely rare.

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Old 08-28-2019   #13
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If you know it, it doesn't mean everybody knows. I have to google it every time.
And here is on-line etiquette to post the link to original source of the photo you didn't took. But it is not something everyone knows .
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In the end I discovered why Leitz started producing a second version of the Summilux in 1962. Given the quality of the first version, that was not necessary at all. The design of the first version was based on the Xenon and therefore patents had to be paid. The design of the second version was made by Leitz themselves and therefore no duties had to be paid on production. Taking the second version into production was therefore in fact a cutback measure.

But why in the past many people criticized the first version of the Summilux remains a mystery. Apparently the judgment of these people is not based on their own experiences. I want to name Erwin Puts here, amongst others.

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Leica MP, Summilux 50mm f/1.4 v1 chrome, 400-2TMY/Adox MCC 110.

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Leica MP, Summilux 50mm f/1.4 v1 black, 400-2TMY/Adox MCC 110.

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Old 08-29-2019   #17
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Erik, where did you get that crank on your rewind lever?
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Old 08-29-2019   #18
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Rocc, that is not my camera, but the camera of David Douglas Duncan, sold lately for two million dollars.

I think however that Stephen Gandy sells those rewinders.

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I've had one of these black V1 Summiluxes for a couple years. I think it's a great lens, if a little limited. Never understood the dislike for it.

Are the black ones worth much more than the typical chrome ones, as is usual with Leica gear?
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I think it's a great lens, if a little limited.

Limited? Maybe the minimal distance, 1 meter. I never get so close.
I've never seen such a sharpness at full aperture on close distances on such a fast lens. No need for floating elements or aspheric lenses.


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Are the black ones worth much more than the typical chrome ones, as is usual with Leica gear?
No, not much more, only about seven times as much. But they are rare, 4% of the total production I guess. About 400-500 were made.

I did some research. There have been two batches: 200 ex. with numbers 1644650/1644850 and 200 ex. with numbers 1703750/1703950, but there are also quite a lot of lonely wolves.

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Erik, How do the 50/1.5 Summarit and the Xenon compare to the V1 Summilux?
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Old 08-30-2019   #22
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Erik, How do the 50/1.5 Summarit and the Xenon compare to the V1 Summilux?

What I know, is that these lenses have about the same composition of the optical elements, but use other, older, types of glass with lower refractive indices. The corrections are thus on a lower level.

Junku Nishimura uses a Summarit 50mm f/1.5 however with great succes.

Early Xenons are problematic because the lack of coating.







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Leica MP, Summilux 50mm f/1.4 v1 black, 400-2TMY/Adox MCC 110.

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Old 09-04-2019   #24
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Leica MP, Summilux 50mm f/1.4 v1 black, 400-2TMY/Adox MCC 110.

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I particularly like the combination of sharpness on the subjectís eyes and smooth background softness on this one Erik. Congratulations on the new lens and getting excellent results.
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Old 09-04-2019   #27
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Thank you John, all the shots I've put on Flickr and here are at full aperture. I myself am astonished about the optical (and mechanical) quality of the lens.


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Old 09-09-2019   #28
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Wonderful pictures Erik. Summilux is one of my favorites lens. Love its rendering. Kinda creamy is I may say so. Love it on Ilford Delta 1000

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Thank you, mpaniagua.

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I love this one!
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Beautiful bokeh, Flat Twin. The most wonderful Leica lens there is, together with the 35mm Summilux steel rim.


Pan, thank you very much.


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