Old 06-24-2016   #161
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Thanks Vince for your details, amazing tones in your photos, excellent use of available light.
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Old 06-29-2016   #162
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Old 06-29-2016   #163
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Vince, very classic film like tones on these images - they look great.
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Vince, very classic film like tones on these images - they look great.
Many thanks! I try to be very gentle with any kind of post-production, and not to make things look too 'unrealistic'. It probably helps that I started photography in the late 1970's, so I have a solid film/darkroom background and try to keep the look of these photos in that 'spirit'.

I am finding that the M-D does a pretty good job compared to the Monochrom 246 -- I have to keep reminding myself that I still own the 246!
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Old 06-29-2016   #165
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Your photos with the M-D are inspiring. Thank you.

My M-D arrived last Friday but I haven't had time to do much more than a couple of test shots with it yet. All of my photo making time has been with the SL this past week. I suspect the M-D will 'arrive' this weekend when I take it on my Saturday morning walk. :-)

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Many thanks Godfrey -- it's amazing the things you can find just around the house

BTW don't forget to do the firmware update!
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Old 06-30-2016   #167
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Have to keep reminding myself that the M-D does shoot in colour!


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Old 06-30-2016   #168
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Lovely!
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Yes, very nice again Vince!

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Old 07-02-2016   #171
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Okay: I updated the firmware, fitted a Street Strap taken off my M4-2, fitted the Summilux 35 v2 taken off the M-P. Twisted the focusing ring to minimum, set the lens to f/2, set the self timer on. Plunked it onto the bookcase shelf and pressed the button.


Leica M-D typ 262 + Summilux 35mm f/1.4 v2
ISO 320 @ f/2 @ 1/15

First official photo out of the M-D typ 262. My apologies about the subject.

The firmware update evidently reset the camera because the file is numbered 0001. A fitting starting point, I guess.

I dumped the M4-2 and all its bits out of my Tenba DNA 8 and stuck the M-D as accoutered, and the Summarit-M 75mm f/2.4, in the bag. Time to go for my walk.

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Thanks, MaggieO!

I took a walk with Felipe to have breakfast a few blocks away at Sarah's Kitchen in Santa Clara City Center this morning. I put the Color Skopar 28mm f/3.5 on the M-D to see how it would do...









All: Leica M-D typ 262 + Voigtländer Color-Skopar 28mm f/3.5

Although it turned a few good photos, the CS28/3.5 is probably one of the worst performers I have on digital sensors. All of these took a good bit of massaging to make it look right ... color shifting, vignetting, etc all get in the way. Oh well, film lens only, for me, in the future. Or black and white work only...

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I think it goes without saying that I'm loving this M-D...


Leica M-D + Summilux 35 v2

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I just made an 11"x16" print of the 'Reading Riley' photo above, and it compares quite favourably to anything I've printed from my Monochrom cameras.
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Loving the colour that the comes out of the M-D:


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Old 07-10-2016   #180
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Three from this morning's quick walk around the neighborhood.


Leica M-D typ 262 + Summarit-M 75mm f/2.4
ISO 400 @ f/4.8 @ 1/500



Leica M-D typ 262 + Summarit-M 75mm f/2.4
ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/3000



Leica M-D typ 262 + Summarit-M 75mm f/2.4
ISO 400 @ f/5.6 @ 1/500

The more I use it, the more I like it!

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Very nice, gentlemen! How are you getting on with the "back to basics" user interface? Inhibiting at all? The apparent simplicity is attractive...
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No not inhibiting at all. If anything, it's liberating.
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Same here: not inhibiting at all. The M-D is exactly what I've been hoping for in a digital camera for years. There's nothing about the "user interface" that wouldn't be instantly recognizable to an M7 or even M6 owner, other than the lack of film.

It's at the opposite end of the spectrum from my SL, but is every bit as wonderful a camera.

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BTW Godfrey I really like those last three shots you posted.
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Interesting thread and some great shots...
But I have a stupid question: doesn't the M-D have the same sensor as the M?
Apart from the interface questions (no LCD, etc.) shouldn't it give the same quality of pictures as the M?

I mean, people are discussing the 'colors' of shots with the M-D... So what is different about those colors compared to M ?? Apart from the experence of making the pictures, are we fooling ourselves here?
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Interesting thread and some great shots...
But I have a stupid question: doesn't the M-D have the same sensor as the M?
Apart from the interface questions (no LCD, etc.) shouldn't it give the same quality of pictures as the M?

I mean, people are discussing the 'colors' of shots with the M-D... So what is different about those colors compared to M ?? Apart from the experence of making the pictures, are we fooling ourselves here?
I don't know what there is to 'fool' -- I'm going under the premise that the sensor is the same as the M (if it's not, please do correct me), and I can't compare the colours that the M-D is delivering relative to the M (as I don't have an M). I'm probably comparing it to what I get from my D4 and D800, and I quite like the colours that I'm getting out of the M-D. I guess it would follow that if it has the same sensor as the M, then I'd probably like the colours from that camera too. BTW I'm also pretty happy with the b+w images I can get out of the M-D.

I am definitely working differently with it than I am with my Monochrom 246, and I'm quite enjoying the experience (and I enjoy the 246 as well). And for me the 'experience' is definitely part of the equation, so I don't think I'm being 'fooled'. If I didn't enjoy the experience of using the camera, the final image quality wouldn't really make a difference. I had an Alpa 9d (actually two), and while it did deliver top-notch images with its Macro-Switar lens, I didn't particularly enjoy the experience of using it. Consequently, I sold the 9d after about a year of ownership.

I happen to like the M-D in its entirety - from its handling, appearance, use and results - and the fact that it's different than my Monochrom 246. And really, that's good enough for me.
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But I have a stupid question: doesn't the M-D have the same sensor as the M?
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Which M are you thinking of?

The M-D sensor is completely different from the M9 variants. The sensor is similar to the M-240 sensor.

However a well-known Leica blogger reports:

"...I asked the Leica M product manager at Leica Camera AG, Jesko Oeynhausen, if it's the Leica M 240 sensor that is in the Leica M 262?

'It has the same image quality as the Leica M 240.' was the comforting, but also cryptic answer I got.

In the upcoming LFI magazine he adds a little more to the mystery in that he says in that interview that the sensor is 'technically different'.


So essentially Leica has not discussed the differences which may be trivial (post-acquisition electronics related to live-view or not (different sensor photo-diode bed, color filter array or IR filter).

None of this matters.

What matters is people enjoy the minimalistic experience of the M-D. Regardless of the brand or model I think people do better work using a camera they enjoy.
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Interesting thread and some great shots...
But I have a stupid question: doesn't the M-D have the same sensor as the M?
Apart from the interface questions (no LCD, etc.) shouldn't it give the same quality of pictures as the M?

I mean, people are discussing the 'colors' of shots with the M-D... So what is different about those colors compared to M ?? Apart from the experience of making the pictures, are we fooling ourselves here?
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...So essentially Leica has not discussed the differences which may be trivial (post-acquisition electronics related to live-view or not (different sensor photo-diode bed, color filter array or IR filter).

None of this matters.

What matters is people enjoy the minimalistic experience of the M-D. Regardless of the brand or model I think people do better work using a camera they enjoy.
The sensor and/or the sensor to DNG processing is demonstrably different between the M typ 240 and M typ 262—the same reference photo made with the same lens on both the M-P and M-D produce very similar but observably different results with the same settings. When you compare the two camera calibration profiles, they are different. They're not wildly different, but they are different.

Yes, it does not matter. And yes: the "minimalistic" experience of the M-D is why you buy this camera.

I wouldn't call the experience minimalistic. It is, after all, the same experience of using a Leica M that was the ONLY experience—closest to the M5/CL/M6 because it has a meter in it, closer yet to the M7 because of the aperture priority exposure automation—until the M8 surfaced. Focus, set exposure, frame, make photograph ... That's a pretty rich experience in my view. There's simply little in way of the distractions of setting up JPEG and camera operational parameters, that's all. You pick it up, turn it on, and go make photographs. :-)

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I seriously considered an M-D when I recently bought my M-P, but it is missing one key feature that I feel it really should have - an EVF port. I've found the EVF-2 to be far superior to using optical VFs.

If I can ever justify having a second digital M (very doubtful) it would probably be an M-D.
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I seriously considered an M-D when I recently bought my M-P, but it is missing one key feature that I feel it really should have - an EVF port. I've found the EVF-2 to be far superior to using optical VFs.

If I can ever justify having a second digital M (very doubtful) it would probably be an M-D.
Right now I have the M-D, the M-P, and the SL bodies. (An embarrassment of riches, I agree ...it won't stay that way for long.) I find that when I want to use something that needs TTL viewing, I *always* pick up the SL—it's the right camera for anything that I do needing a TTL viewfinder.

Since I bought the M-D, using the M-P makes it clearer to me what I didn't like about it: the large LCD and all the control buttons get in my way. I don't need them, and without them the M-D is far nicer to hold and use.

I basically use the M-D or M-P with just three lenses now (the WATE, a Summilux 35, a Summarit 75) and I don't bother with the EVF when using them on the M-P. I use an M for the rangefinder focusing and viewing (with the WATE I use a little Voigtländer 21/25 combination finder for framing).

The M-P will be sold soon, as will a very large array of other now-unused equipment. My future photography is revolving around use of the SL, the M-D, a couple of instant film cameras, and a Hasselblad SWC.

Personal choices, that's all.

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I seriously considered an M-D when I recently bought my M-P, but it is missing one key feature that I feel it really should have - an EVF port. I've found the EVF-2 to be far superior to using optical VFs.
To each their own, but personally I don't think the camera needs an EVF port. Heck, the M3-M7 didn't have one, so I don't see why the M-D would need one (I'm going under the premise that the M-D is the digital offering which most closely emulates the experience of using those cameras). It would just add unnecessary complexity to the camera, in my opinion, and run counter to what I think is the essential purpose of the camera.

How about a Visoflex III instead
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Opinions differ... a good thing! I have used the (Olympus) VF-2 on my M(240) and found it an unpleasant experience. I learned something there about seeing the subject and gained a better appreciation for optical viewfinders.

Having an EVF port on the M-D would seem to add versatility... but hold on a sec, that means it would have to feature live view as well, wouldn't it? With live view, maybe it should also have a rear LCD...
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Opinions differ... a good thing! I have used the (Olympus) VF-2 on my M(240) and found it an unpleasant experience. I learned something there about seeing the subject and gained a better appreciation for optical viewfinders.

Having an EVF port on the M-D would seem to add versatility... but hold on a sec, that means it would have to feature live view as well, wouldn't it? With live view, maybe it should also have a rear LCD...
And video! Gotta have video!
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Opinions differ... a good thing! I have used the (Olympus) VF-2 on my M(240) and found it an unpleasant experience. I learned something there about seeing the subject and gained a better appreciation for optical viewfinders.

Having an EVF port on the M-D would seem to add versatility... but hold on a sec, that means it would have to feature live view as well, wouldn't it? With live view, maybe it should also have a rear LCD...
Nope, don't need any of that on my M. Never used it when I had it. Other cameras do that stuff better.. I use them instead when I want that.

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Once they thin that body and create a digital M7, my wallet will really be in serious trouble. But only if the colour science is similar to what I keep seeing out of the Q.
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Once they thin that body and create a digital M7, my wallet will really be in serious trouble. But only if the colour science is similar to what I keep seeing out of the Q.
You know how much thicker the body is? 4mm. Height and length are about the same. Try holding one first, then decide.
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Once they thin that body and create a digital M7, my wallet will really be in serious trouble. But only if the colour science is similar to what I keep seeing out of the Q.
A digital M will never be that thin. So your wallet is safe.
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Old 07-12-2016   #199
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To each their own, but personally I don't think the camera needs an EVF port. Heck, the M3-M7 didn't have one, so I don't see why the M-D would need one (I'm going under the premise that the M-D is the digital offering which most closely emulates the experience of using those cameras). It would just add unnecessary complexity to the camera, in my opinion, and run counter to what I think is the essential purpose of the camera.

How about a Visoflex III instead
Once you've gone EVF, inaccurate shoe mount OVFs are a letdown - or at least they are in my case. Then again, I've never liked accessory OVFs.
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