Old 02-05-2019   #41
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Latest Darkroom Renovation 1 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Here you can see I have added a lot of storage for all of my stuff (and room to grow).
See below the table; Storage for new trays (up to 16x20) from Ebay and Freestyle


Latest Darkroom Renovation 2 by Nokton48, on Flickr


Another view of some of my film processing stuff. Also room to grow in terms of storage.
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Old 02-07-2019   #42
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New Safelight Installation over Wet Area by Nokton48, on Flickr

Here I have installed furring strips in the ceiling to suspend three safelights I've wired up. There are on/off line switches directly overhead, so I'm good depending on what I am doing. So now I can tray develop Ortho film in here! Exciting!
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I second the notion of finishing the ceiling in some way.

I do love customizing darkroom spaces.
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What sound system? How will you filter your air intake? Where will you dry prints and negs?
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I also recommend stapling or taping heavy plastic sheeting to the ceiling to eliminate dust from up there. Very simple and cheap!
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Hi Big Ursus,

Thanks for your response! I'm thinking a used "Bose Wave" for my sound system, my wife has hundreds of CDs. And I have a large roll of thick plastic and a staple gun, so that is how I will seal the dust in the ceiling. Lots of mud up there from construction time.

Right now I have a long run of wooden spring clothespins, strung on picture framing wire, in my laundry area of the basement. I've been using that up to now for film drying, it works OK. I haven't dried any fiber prints in a while (I have a freezer full of Ektalure and fibre Forte papers), but last time I had a "real" darkroom, I used Kodak blotter rolls, which I still have. Then I flattened the prints in a dry mount press.

Lots to consider! Plenty of time to do all of this .........................

I think I have sold my Kreonite 16" CPT16 color processor, so that will go into the garage as soon as it warms up, waiting for pickup. That will free up a lot of basement space in the laundry room.
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Oh I did buy 100 sheets of Ilfospeed Grade #2 8x10 Pearl finish. $89 at B&H, gosh has that gone up! This will be used for making contacts, and for a few printing sessions at least, as I ease all this back into use
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Doesn’t look safe to me.

Dust is the least of your worries.

Wires all over. And water? Is that a gas line I see in the ceiling? You’ll probably have light bouncing off the ventilation ducts?

Lot more items to consider.

Get some pro help.

Sorry to be critical, I’m just looking with my eyes and it’s what I see. Trying to help.
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Doesn’t look safe to me.

Dust is the least of your worries.

Wires all over. And water? Is that a gas line I see in the ceiling? You’ll probably have light bouncing off the ventilation ducts?

Lot more items to consider.

Get some pro help.

Sorry to be critical, I’m just looking with my eyes and it’s what I see. Trying to help.
Yes to this ^. I would not feel comfortable covering up all that spaghetti wiring with plastic!
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Hi Bill and Saul,

I appreciate your concerns, Thank You.

This is a temporary setup only (that's why Phase I; get things going again). The room is completely light tight, no leaks at all. I've loaded film in there for twenty years so far with no leaks or light fogging. As far as wiring, also temporary. All I have done so far, is to run a heavy duty extension cord in, to power three 15W safelight bulbs. The only time this is plugged in, is when I am loading Ortho dry plates or developing same. I've been assured this is totally safe. I will not be enlarging for a while. We got brand new furnace and air conditioning last year, and I have inquired about extending a heating duct into this room. We will see. The gas line is capped off and I've been told is not an issue. Lots of homes have gas pipes running through them.

This spring or summer I will have the copper lines to the processor and also the drain line (just on the outside wall of the room) extended into the darkroom, and my $1000 Kreonite water mixing board will be installed. I'll also be building PVC sinks and wooden work tables. The plastic will only go up when things have been made permanent.

I also have a very expensive Kreonite platemaking sink I will install as well. I need to build a base with legs and storage underneath for that.
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Thanks for sharing your plan with us.

Please post here if I can help you.
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I wouldn’t be concerned about the wiring or the gas pipe.

Unless you have exposed junctions without face plates there’s nothing to stress.

I’m sure you know that any outlet within your body’s reach of a sink/water source needs a GFI. You can also install GFI breakers if you have an excess of outlets near a water source.

GFI’s will be one of the more expensive bits.

I liked your idea to install a drop ceiling, affordable, it gives you access to the utilities you want to cover. With the plastic my concern would be condensation especially if you do a good job with the staples. It takes very little difference in temp between that air gap and your basement to create moisture. No different than say... camping in a tent on a cool summer evening and waking up the next morning with damp blankets.

Just my 2 penny’s! I’ve been an active carpenter/contractor for over a decade now.
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Just remembered I wanted to share this with you,

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Defiant-...-023/205707117

I LOVE these things! Plug it in and control a whole outlet with a small remote.

I used one on my safelights, my tabletop backdrop lights, and a few LED strip lights.

I’m such a fan, I’m planning to upgrade to another kit that has 3 receivers to one controller.
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Vintage Delta Miter Saw Harbor Freight Miter Stand by Nokton48, on Flickr

My Father in Law just gave me this vintage Delta Miter Saw. I bought a heavy duty Miter Saw Stand at Harbor Freight, just put it together. I am going to learn to make darkroom work tables and storage and legs under darkroom sinks. This is a badass miter saw.

I also bought a laser to modernize it, and an extra Irwin 10" 200 teeth fine cutting blade. Almost good to go.
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Don’t forget to plug it in for power! Ha!
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Too Cold! Ha Ha Snowstorm here. See outside? Prolly not like what you get out there.........

Actually the board needs drilled out and bolted down before running it
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Darkroom renovation 4 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Here's today's update. I am working my way around the room, using the shop vac with brush attachment, dusting and cleaning everything, and doing some basic layout along the left wall. The Kreonite plate making sink fits well, that will go to the far left corner of this wall (it's just there where is it is, to see how much space it takes up). I'll use it for film developing, chemical mixing, etc. The rest of the left wall will be spacious wide PVC sink, that will hold 20x24" trays. I think the enlargers will be situated across the back wall, we will see. I may add a third enlarger, I'm thinking an 8x10" Beseler with an LED head for split contrast VC printing. My basement has an extra high ceiling (extra course) so a humungous enlarger will fit. That's down the road anyways. I'll keep the work table area as it is for now. Plenty of room for dry work. Oh, and a good stereo system (I'm thinking Bose Wave) and some photo posters hanging on the walls, for inspiration. My Kreonite water board will be installed above the sinks. An electrician will rewire the room and add lots of safe outlets. And I'll be addressing the ventilation issues as well.

I measured the space, it's 130"x145". I'm going to price materials to put in a cheap drop ceiling.

It's time for Coors, of Course! Oh, and a Guy out in Seattle has agreed to buy my Kreonite color processor. He's driving cross country to pick it up, when it warms up. Glad to help him out, he needs a second unit. CPT16s are getting hard to find; a new one is 38K
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Nice saw!

Sit back with a beer and watch a few youtube DIY videos on table making.

You might find yourself inspired to own a set of sharp chisels.

That big green Kreonite would look stellar with a set of heavy walnut legs and a tall apron out front.

Throw some cheap locking casters on those enlarger cabinets. Being able to push things around makes life so much easier! Effectively double your space by crowding them in a corner or rearranging for a specific job.

Looking great!
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Nice saw!

Sit back with a beer and watch a few youtube DIY videos on table making.

You might find yourself inspired to own a set of sharp chisels.

That big green Kreonite would look stellar with a set of heavy walnut legs and a tall apron out front.

Throw some cheap locking casters on those enlarger cabinets. Being able to push things around makes life so much easier! Effectively double your space by crowding them in a corner or rearranging for a specific job.

Looking great!
I'm all about casters but not on an enlarging base which should be as rock solid as possible.
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Here is Tim Layton's 8x10 Beselar setup. Nice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJRwGTzUXXw

Something for the future, maybe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxVuOLPceVQ

Here ^^ Tim has wall mounted his 8x10 Beselar to print 40x50" silver gelatin prints.

Kreonite is out of business, but these Guys bought them out and sell their stuff:

http://www.dunningphoto.com/
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Darkroom Sound System. Used Sharper Image for $40 I'll tape a red gel over the LCD screen. No need for a subwoofer, I have all that upstairs. Might shake things.
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Sound System arrived, this one is from Sharper Image. Sounds great. Yesterday I set up two large yellow plastic tubs, put two Paterson 5x7 trays in each. Developed three J. Lane 6x9cm glass dry plates. It was a lot of fun and it feels great to be back in the darkroom.

I think I am going to build a darkroom sink like this one. Easy to build, furniture grade plywood, bar sink drain, and the whole sink covered with three coats of epoxy garage floor paint. It's also been recommended to me to use paint for finishing pickup truck liners. Sounds like that would work as well. Still looking into the possibility of using sheets of PVC to build the sink.


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I also want to set up a Kodak 3 1/2 gallon hard rubber tank basket line for B&W development. I can develop fifty-four 4x5's, or eighteen 8x10's, in one go. Or two rolls of 70mm 15' film. Or eighteen rolls of 120/220 or 36 rolls of 35mm film.


I've made several trips to Lowes and am starting to gather materials out in the garage for all these upcoming construction projects.
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He is going to find he will need a few cross supports for the belly of that sink.

Sanded Ply is not very stable. It has a relatively low ply count compared to thickness.

I would reccomend 3/4 MDF over the more expenisve Sanded Pine Ply he is using.

One thing to note, if you paint/seal any surface on a wood project, you need to seal the entire project! Leaving the underside bare wood will cause moisture to collect under your finish and cause it to fail. This applies to stain/paint/sealer.

My brother and I made our first "sink" when we were 16. It was a 150-160gal propagation tank we made from wood to grow salt water Coral. We sold the coral to a pet shop a few citys over. We used a product similar to the link below. I cant remember where we got ours, but we had it custom colored Sea Foam Green.

https://liquidrubberusa.com/collecti...12132863475805


A local alternative can be found at Home Depot in either Gray or White. It is made by Henry and is called "Tropicool 100% Silicone". An important distinction is in the two products offered.

Product 887 will work fine for a project like this, but if you have any doubts spend the extra money on Product 885 which is "Ponding Resistant" basically that means it can have water sitting on it indefinitely. I re coated our Motorhome roof in the 885 and its some tough stuff! Dries SUPER QUICK (15min) and sticks like a Mother****er so do not wear your sunday clothes. lol

Cant wait to see your sink build!


Edit: Funny story about the motor home roof. I started it late in the afternoon after spending the better part of the day cleaning and prepping the roof. Not 10 minutes after getting off the roof it started to pour buckets of rain to my absolute dread! After about 2 hours of hard rain I had to go check on it. Spot light in hand dangling from the ladder it looked so fresh and clean! The stuff is amazing! A little water did not hurt the curing. Its nearly 2 years old now and holding up as good as day one. Cleans up nicely with a little soap water. I plan to put a fresh coat on this spring just for giggles.
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Hi Devin/All,

Twisted my ankle cleaning in the garage, but I am recovering. I see the 885, and the 887 at Home Depot. A few complained they couldn't paint the 885 on, it's thick and more like a putty? Sounds great though, just trowel it on? Lots of choices available. Truck liner paint is available at local Auto Zone. Herculiner looks promising. I bought a deluxe SS bar sink drain on Ebay for $12. Very nice.....

When my ankle heals up, and it warms up, I will be ready to go.

More stuff to peruse:

http://www.eepjon.com/
I'm diggin' that huge fan they use (looks like a giant hair dryer), and their ventilation hoods. One guy bought his fan and built his own PVC hood. Suck the fumes out before you breathe them in. Needs to be low and right behind/above the trays, so it pulls away from your body. I have a bathroom fan currently installed and that will be coming out, that's not cutting it. He's platinum printing and that stuff is deadly to breathe, so he knows what he is talking about.

http://www.modernenlargerlamps.com/M...s/Welcome.html
This Guy makes very cool LED heads for Omega enlargers.

Still considering PVC as opposed to plywood for sink and hood. Hmmmmmm
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I actually do like the locking caster idea. I put some big Harbor Freight ones on my younger son's bass amp (it'a a big heavysucker) and I can take those and put 'em under the cabinets, should be rock solid once locked down. Be nice to move around for easy dusting and cleaning.
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I'm really enjoying following along with this thread. Thanks!
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modern enlarging systems model 2 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Here is Modern Enlarging Systems Model 2 LED Head, For the Omega D 4x5 Enlargers.

This one works with graded papers only; My Omegalite does a similar job with graded FOMA, and my stock of fiber Ektalure salon paper. My freezer is stocked up to 16x20 sizes of Ektalure salon papers.

Model 3 offers green and Blue LEDs for split VC paper printing. Very very interesting. And beautifully built. You control it with an Iphone 4S

Times have changed! Cool upgrade!
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Nokton, I'd go the Gordon Hutchins router and find out if there's a shop near by that can spray it with truck bed liner. Even the cheap DIY liner paint I got from Walmart is pretty tough. If you look on line, there are several places that have it in several colors. (a red darkroom sink would be kind of nifty..)

Oh...and spring for stainless steel wood screws off Ebay when you go to make it. And I found out that a combo drill/countersink speeds up things quite a bit. One step instead of two...
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I also want to set up a Kodak 3 1/2 gallon hard rubber tank basket line for B&W development. I can develop fifty-four 4x5's, or eighteen 8x10's, in one go. Or two rolls of 70mm 15' film. Or eighteen rolls of 120/220 or 36 rolls of 35mm film.
Wow, that's amazing and a lot of chemicals! I hope you have good ventilation ... unless you like the buzz!
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I've contacted Mr. Edwards and will determine what is required regarding proper ventilation. Basically the air intake needs to be 8 feet above floor, and the intake for the hood at four feet, behind the tanks and trays. I think his PVC intake hoods are really cool. He will custom make these to any size. He's printing Platinum, those fumes can be deadly, so he knows what he is doing.

One of my closest Photographer friends has a PHD in Chemistry, and is a retired Industrial Hygenist. He's coming over this Spring for BBQ and Beer, on my spacious newly expanded rear backyard deck. I will get his input on this too. And I want to talk to Tim Layton, about building stuff and darkroom design. I understand Tim is very willing to share knowledge and experience. And he has really got it goin' on.
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Right now my "wet side" consists of my laundry washing machine top (which I use as a work surface) and plastic stationary tubs. I've developed film in this way for twenty years. I have stretched picture framing wire in this area, with thirty wooden clothespins. Works for me up to now.

Delta 1 Water Temp Unit by Nokton48, on Flickr

Just bought this unit from B&H. I will be hooking it up to my JOBO film washing unit I made.

Stearman 4x5 SP445 Dev Tank 4x5 holder by Nokton48, on Flickr

SP445 Developing Tank. Will do four 4x5 sheets in one go, or two J Lane glass Dry Plates. Also on it's way to me. Sixteen oz of chemistry to process four sheets.

Stearman 9x12 Dev Plate Holder SP445 by Nokton48, on Flickr

J Lane Dry plate inserts 9x12cm Also on their way. These are 3D printed.
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I think the truck bed liner would work fine on a sink build.

Having it tinted would be cool! I’ve been looking at Raptor products for a while now. Check them out! They have a new aerosol product, so it’s as easy as a spray can and it’s pre tinted!

https://www.raptorcoatings.com/us/en...l#.XHa2YRZOmaM
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I like the Raptor Flame Red. Two 13.2 oz cans $63.33 Wonder if that's enough for an eight foot sink?

Wouldn't want to order it until it warms up.
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B-9, the cheapo stuff from Walmart (rustolem) has held up very well for over a year for me. It stains, but hell, it's darkroom sink-not a work of art!

If the stains get too bad, I'll let it dry out for a few days and use a spray can of the Rustolem liner paint to cover them up.

What I was saying was that Duraback and several other companies will sell you gallons of liner paint in several colors. You'd have to find a body shop that could spray it, but you can get red, yellow, orange, etc in texured or smooth finish.

I'd rather pay somebody with a paint booth and proper breathing gear to spray it with liner paint than deal with the stink of epoxy paint.

I painted mine in a shed with an open 8' by 10" door and a fan pulling in air and a fan pulling the fumes out-and the Rustolem isn't that stinky!




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Having it tinted would be cool! I’ve been looking at Raptor products for a while now. Check them out! They have a new aerosol product, so it’s as easy as a spray can and it’s pre tinted!

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Hmmmm that makes good sense Thanks
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Eh, get yourself a decent reusable mask and do it outside or with the door open.

Workshop safety should be a pre requisite for any project. Right?

I think 2 cans would be plenty. I know our local NAPA will tint Bed liner. Not sure what brand. Worth a visit if you have one near by.

Having one sprayed by a pro may or may not be cost effective.. add to that having to transport the sink to and from. I am surely a advocate for DIY! Lol
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B-9, I double checked and Durabak says their liner paint can be rolled on by DIY'ers. Frankly, I tried a roller with the Rustolem and quickly found out that a "pad" painter worked far better-I just bought 5 of the cheap 6" wide one for $1.79 each and used one for each coat and threw it out.
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Good stuff to know. I'm moving forward just bought the stuff $168 to do the drop ceiling.
I want to have a heating duct run into the room, it's just outside the doorway. Also there will electrical in the ceiling, and carpentry up there too. I have a really good handyman who can come in a maybe do the whole thing cheaply. Got some calls to make.

My wife thinks we should have our furnace guys extend the ductwork.
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Just talked to my father in law and he says we can do everything. Will wait until it is warmer, however. Stuff from Menards (the drop ceiling) goes into the garage for now. Got 11% rebate
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OK One more possibility. Tim Layton made these giant 40x50 darkroom trays. Looks like a sink could be made in the same way as well. Obviously waterproof. You could even laminate the outsides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUrp_8eifJg


From Tim Layton:

Hi Dan, I have a couple of really good ideas for you.

Build the darkroom sink out of 1/2" plywood and either a.) epoxy it which seals it or b.) cover it with a white PVC panel material and silicon the joints. I opted for (b) in my latest darkroom expansion and it works great. I also built my 48x68 darkroom development trays the same way. I got the white PVC sheets in 4' x 8' pieces from Home Depot. I used liquid nails to secure it to the plywood. I think I have a YouTube video showing part of this on my darkroom trays.

Hope that helps.

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