Mic Drop Moment: M10-D with thumb lever
Old 10-16-2018   #1
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Mic Drop Moment: M10-D with thumb lever

finally....

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1. ISO on top (same as M10), exposure comp. (inner dial on back)
2. ON/OFF/WIFI (dial surrounding exposure comp dial)


https://leicarumors.com/2018/10/16/p...ce-lever.aspx/



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Old 10-16-2018   #2
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Either it is a fake image or Leica has gone off the deep end.
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Old 10-16-2018   #3
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"The first leaked pictures of the Leica M10-D camera show that the new M model without LCD screen will have an advance lever, but it is not clear what it will be used for:"

I'm hoping it will be to advance/cock the shutter (like the R-D1).
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Old 10-16-2018   #4
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Either it is a fake image or Leica has gone off the deep end.
i like the deep end.
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Old 10-16-2018   #5
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I love it,

Saves on battery life!

Of course I could never afford one!
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When I started in photography, or even just a couple years ago, I never would have imagined that Leica would be making BW-only and digital cameras without screens, while Fuji was dropping most of their namesake products.

It's a crazy world, indeed.

Doesn't make me want one any less. Only wish they'd tap Seiko for those beautiful R-D1 indicator dials.
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Old 10-16-2018   #7
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Either it is a fake image or Leica has gone off the deep end.
PTP,

A basic simple camera: what a concept!

Way back when there were rumors about a Monochrom M-body a poster here on RFF called it "stupid." LOL.

I would be interested in a M10-D in Monochrome.

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Old 10-16-2018   #8
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I wonder if that lever is actually mechanically linked or just a longer way to initiate the motorwind. Either way, it's very cool and a nice update for the M-D series.
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Old 10-16-2018   #9
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Looks like a fake. Anyway, would buy it :-D.
Thats what my dreamcamera actually should look like. a digital filmcamera.
Sadly cant afford it, have to go with my m9.
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Old 10-16-2018   #10
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That is very cool. It would also have one of the items I love most about my M3, M4, M6TTL, quiet shooting with the ability to re-cock the shutter separate from making the image. And hopefully quietly by advancing the lever slowly.

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Wonder what the shutter would sound like?
If this is real, it is so weird and yet so cool.

Also - this is what the Nikon DF should have been, in an SLR version of course.
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Old 10-16-2018   #12
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This one is genuinely practical. The first time an exposure compensation dial being available on a digital M - hope it's a tad easier to turn than the one on the M7.

If they made it lighter I'm in. They better not, so that I could have an excuse...
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This one is genuinely practical. The first time an exposure compensation dial being available on a digital M - hope it's a tad easier to turn than the one on the M7.

If they made it lighter I'm in. They better not, so that I could have an excuse...
The one on my M7 is beyond awful. Cheap chintzy peace of junk, that turns whether or not u push in that little release button.
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Old 10-16-2018   #14
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Finally Leica has caught up with Epson...
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Old 10-16-2018   #15
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Looks fake to me.

Be that as it may, I prefer the M-D ISO setting dial rather than an EV compensation dial/on-off-self timer control in that location. Switched around ... ISO on the back, EV comp on the top-left ... the two controls would make more sense. And then what's the thumbwheel for, since all it does on the M-D is adjust the EV compensation? (That's one way I know it's a faked image... )

A manual wind lever is without doubt fake and is nearly ridiculous to me. When I had the R-D1, that was by far and away the clumsiest and dumbest feature I tried to put up with. I couldn't ... I returned the camera after a week. I would not buy a digital Leica with that "feature".

Adding the Live View capability to the M10-D would be nice, I would use that if it were there, but it means you need a bunch more complexity in the camera to support it. It kind of breaks the "essential simplicity" which is the point of the M-D in the first place. So I'm ambivalent about that detail.

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Old 10-16-2018   #16
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Looks fake to me.
.. And then what's the thumbwheel for, since all it does on the M-D is adjust the EV compensation? (That's one way I know it's a faked image... )
Isn't the thumb wheel also used to adjust settings in camera via the VF? eg formatting of the card, battery condition, exposures left etc?
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Old 10-16-2018   #17
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Where it does seem fake to me is the wireless switch. Why on a camera like this? That is meant to be a 'film' camera? So you can preview ur snaps on a phone?
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Where it does seem fake to me is the wireless switch. Why on a camera like this? That is meant to be a 'film' camera? So you can preview ur snaps on a phone?
Enabling the FOTOS app on this camera seems beside the point. If you want to preview your photos, just get the regular M10 instead of juggling the camera with your phone.
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Old 10-16-2018   #19
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Is they viewfinder not turned the wrong way round looks like it only shoots uprights?
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Looks fake to me.

Be that as it may, I prefer the M-D ISO setting dial rather than an EV compensation dial/on-off-self timer control in that location. Switched around ... ISO on the back, EV comp on the top-left ... the two controls would make more sense. And then what's the thumbwheel for, since all it does on the M-D is adjust the EV compensation? (That's one way I know it's a faked image... )

A manual wind lever is without doubt fake and is nearly ridiculous to me. When I had the R-D1, that was by far and away the clumsiest and dumbest feature I tried to put up with. I couldn't ... I returned the camera after a week. I would not buy a digital Leica with that "feature".

Adding the Live View capability to the M10-D would be nice, I would use that if it were there, but it means you need a bunch more complexity in the camera to support it. It kind of breaks the "essential simplicity" which is the point of the M-D in the first place. So I'm ambivalent about that detail.

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Guess what, you can even adjust the date setting on the M-D 262. With the thumb wheel.

I imagine it will be essential for the implementation of auto ISO setting.
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epson r-d1 lovers rejoice!

not happy about the ev comp, though. it’s like the one on the m7, and that’s not so ergonomically placed. if i were the designer, i would have made it like on the minolta cle/zeiss ikon.
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It will be very nice if EVF is supported as shown. Not for reviewing photos, but to use R lenses without having to guess/scale focus.
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Enabling the FOTOS app on this camera seems beside the point. If you want to preview your photos, just get the regular M10 instead of juggling the camera with your phone.
it does seem a bit unnecessary for such a pared down camera. perhaps even against the spirit of such a design.

i'm wondering if it would allow you to make your smartphone screen the "live view" screen when the unusual circumstance calls for it. honestly, that doesn't sound like the worst idea i've ever heard.

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Guess what, you can even adjust the date setting on the M-D 262. With the thumb wheel.

I imagine it will be essential for the implementation of auto ISO setting.
it be nice if they would permit total deactivation of either dial (the exp comp on back or the thumb wheel) to avoid accidental settings.
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Its not retro enough.

I'm waiting for the pre-brassed chrome Lenny Kravitz M-10 LK Special Edition
That does not take batteries or cards.

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Its not retro enough.

I'm waiting for the pre-brassed chrome Lenny Kravitz M-10 LK Special Edition
That does not take batteries or cards.

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The advance lever send the photo to your Instagram -- it uses your cellphone as a Wifi hot spot. You can set it up so you can't take another photo until the first one receives a like. Also doubles as a bottle opener -- but only works on German beers. I have all this on good authority.
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OK, the fun part..
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OK, the fun part..

How much will this cost?

I'm saying... $10,000.
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If this isn't a pipe dream that lever would really need to be for actually cocking the shutter otherwise it's a pointless gimmick. I hope this camera is real but you have to wonder at the re-engineering required to create it ... but if they have it's another example of Leica's ability to do the unpredictable. It could be expensive though!
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If this isn't a pipe dream that lever would really need to be for actually cocking the shutter otherwise it's a pointless gimmick. I hope this camera is real but you have to wonder at the re-engineering required to create it ... but if they have it's another example of Leica's ability to do the unpredictable. It could be expensive though!
C'mon Keith, name your price!
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C'mon Keith, name your price!
Lol ... whatever it is if it happens it will be too much for me.

And how long after they release this will they offer a version that doesn't have an electronic sensor in it ... but some other weird type of light sensing material?

Meanwhile I have an RD1.
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Mic Drop Moment: M10-D with cocking lever
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Mic Drop Moment: M10-D with cocking lever

https://www.noki5hita-camera.com/2018/10/m10-d.html

海外のソースからライカM10-Dの背面と上面の画像を提供して貰いました。 > We got front and rear pictures of the Leica M10-D from an "overseas source".

But the pictures have noki5hita's watermark anyway... the smell of fishy fishy fishy fish is strong with this one��
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In a few years we will have a camera that lacks an LCD, has an advance lever, doesn't require batteries and has presets in little canisters. Oh wait..
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Old 10-16-2018   #34
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The rh, top plate button on the M-D tells you how many exposures you have left and the current battery state.

You cannot format the card in the M-D camera at all, or delete photos.

You can use the thumb wheel to set the EV compensation when shooting. And also to set the date and time (the only configuration settings on the M-D).

If you have the ISO knob AND an EV compensation knob AND a button like I see on this fake M10-D image, those could be used to set date and time. There's really little need for yet another control just to set the date and time.

I love the M-D typ 262, it's my favorite of all the M cameras—film or digital—I've had for the past 50 years. I wouldn't want an M10-D with any more features than the M-D has, at all. The only things I'd like to see in the M10-D aside from what the M-D has would be the improved view finder and sensor. Everything else is unnecessary and frivolous, not in keeping with what the M-D is supposed to be.

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Noki5hita is usually pretty reliable with its rumours. It's not what I'm looking for, but it will certainly be an interesting camera. There's any number of shooters who enjoy using a shutter cock/film wind lever, although the subset of those who can afford a Leica of this nature would be quite small.
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Can't wait for the "I would put an M4 lever on it though"
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If you have the ISO knob AND an EV compensation knob AND a button like I see on this fake M10-D image, those could be used to set date and time. There's really little need for yet another control just to set the date and time.
announcement is one week away (apparently). would be a strange time for a fake image to surface if the real deal is a week away.

https://leicarumors.com/2018/10/16/t...ber-23rd.aspx/

i agree with you and others that this just doesn't seem like the next logical evolution of the M-D.
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Quite a few years ago when the topic of converting a film camera to digital came up (a la today's "I'm Back" project), I tinkered with the thought of using the advance lever by connecting it to a piezoelectric generator and capacitor to power the imaging device for each shot, in replacement of the take-up spool. I have no idea what it's doing on an M10-D.


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Fake or not,

It would definitely bring back some of those easy-access ergonomics of my beloved Epson R-D1.
My M-E is nice and all, but I don't like having to go open up the back of the halfcase to access the menu to change the ISO.

The cocking lever is just gravy!
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But the pictures have noki5hita's watermark anyway... the smell of fishy fishy fishy fish is strong with this one😏
Isn't it common to watermark images with online leak-news? The first website to get the leaked information puts their own watermark on it, to brand themselves as being exclusive with the leaked images?

I've seen other sites do it, for example with regards to Apple products.
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