how do you shoot Eastman Double X (5222) ?
Old 12-31-2015   #1
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how do you shoot Eastman Double X (5222) ?

Hi there, first of all, happy New Year!!! I hope you are having a blast.

Now, I would like to know how do you shoot your Eastman Double X film since it seems I can't get everything from it at ISO 250. I've heard people shooting it at ISO 1600 so I'm wondering how other people are rating this film.

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That seems odd. When I started I set the film speed at ISO 200. I then developed in D-76 stock for 6 min @ 20C. Had good negs.
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Shooting mostly at 200, sometimes at 400, I get decent results...

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I get good results at 200 and 400.
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Ive worked through 200 ft of it and shot it from 200-1600.

Its been a while since I shot it but I remember a lot of times out there were incorrect. Me personally I needed a lot of trial and error to get it right

I do remember though 1600 was souped in rodinal 1:100 for 2h.

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There's a huge 48 page thread about shooting 5222 someplace in the film sub-forum. It's been ongoing for years. Find that and all your questions will be answered.

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There's a huge 48 page thread about shooting 5222 someplace in the film sub-forum. It's been ongoing for years. Find that and all your questions will be answered.

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Been shooting rolls at ISO 320 and developing them in HC-110 for 11 min @ 68F. Like the results I've been getting so far. Plan on trying ISO 1600 with some D-76 in the next couple weeks.
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5222 is a low contrast stock by design, as it is made to be printed onto printing stock that will pick up the contrast at that stage. If you're scanning, I would shoot it at 200-250 and pick up contrast in PP. If you're trying to wet print, you will probably want more contrast in the neg.
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I rate it at 650 and develop in Diafine. If they made it in 120 I would not shoot anything else.
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You can use XX from iso 100 (an ultra fine grain type developer) till iso 800 (in any speed enhancing type developer) with all very good results. In my Flickr stream you will see enough examples from it. A nice film BTW and cheap compared to bulk Tri-X 400.
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More developing info:

https://web.archive.org/web/20131126...g/devdata.html
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Old 01-06-2016   #13
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some examples

iso 400 with D76 stock


iso200 with Perceptol 1+2


iso250 with Rodinal 1+50


iso800 with LQN 1+4
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how do you shoot Eastman Double X (5222) ?
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how do you shoot Eastman Double X (5222) ?

I shoot it at 400 and 1600. It is the only film I shoot for the past 6 months.
Lots of trial and error on my end too like above mentioned.

I develop in Rodinal 1:50 at 20C for:

11min @ 400
25min @ 1600

400 it looks really nice and gives good to high contrast with good tonality.
1600 it has extremely high contrast with little tonality.

I love both looks and shoot them side by side.
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Old 01-07-2016   #15
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I love shoot the Eastman from 200-250-400 to 640

ussualy 200-250 I stand semi dev for 30-40 min
400 I ussualy stand semi dev for 45-50 min
and for 640 i stand semi dev for 60-70 min

I learn that its easily to blow the highlight with this film..

still, they are my fave film on street with Rodinal
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When I was at the Brooks Institute in the 1970s we all shot SuperXX 4x5 sheet film.
Kodak rated as 200 but we were instructed to shoot it at 100.
Careful sensitometer and minimum time/maximum black, gamma testing by hundreds of students over the years confirmed.

To those who would protest that a rating of 100 produces one stop overexposure , the irascible M. Dobro would reply that a rating of 200 produces one stop underexposure. :-)

The name's the same but I don't know that the 1970's emulsion is necessarily the same as today's.
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I measured out XX with my densitometer and in a regular type developer XX is ISO 250 as indicated by Kodak.
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I shoot it at 250 and develop it in Rodinal 1+50 for 11:00 at 68f.
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Old 01-07-2016   #19
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Eastman 5222 Double-X is a motion picture film produced by Eastman since 1959 or thereabouts.
Super-XX sheet film was a different emulsion.
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"Super-XX sheet film was a different emulsion."
Well there ya' go.
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Old 01-07-2016   #21
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You are Welcome Canyongazer!

Here is an example of how HOLLYWOOD shoots Eastman 5222:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNvzNWuzI9Y
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thank you guys, very useful information as usual. I will give it a try at ISO 400 with stock dev D76 and see how it goes.
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XX (E.I. 250) in Atomal from Wehner 10:00 minutes at 20C. The real iso is even at G=0,55 a bit higher then iso 250. When going to 0,62 (which I am using with my Dunco 67 enlarger condensor/diffuser type) it will touch iso 400.

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some examples

iso 400 with D76 stock


iso200 with Perceptol 1+2


iso250 with Rodinal 1+50


iso800 with LQN 1+4
Some nice shots here. I'd say the EI 200, 250, and 400 shots here look good, with nice contrast. I think the 800 example lacks shadow detail, almost (but not quite) soot and chalk. So I'm thinking that 1600 might be a bridge too far, at nearly 4 stops. It would be interesting to see it at 1600 in D-DX, though--or even 800/1000.
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Is this film better than its ORWO competitors? (UN54 and N74)
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Is this film better than its ORWO competitors? (UN54 and N74)
Comparing to N74+ the XX film has a wider exposure range. XX you can use between iso 100-800 with an ultra fine grain developer (iso 100) to iso 800 with any speed enhanced type developer without loss of many quality.

UN54 is a regular (cine) iso 100 film. Let us say comparable with Fomapan 100, RPX-100, APX-100(New)/Kentmere 100.
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Been shooting rolls at ISO 320 and developing them in HC-110 for 11 min @ 68F. Like the results I've been getting so far. Plan on trying ISO 1600 with some D-76 in the next couple weeks.
What dilution of HC-110 are you using?
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^^^^^^^ I guessing he found his own dilution. "B" is 6.5m at 320 (400)
may be 1:50, (6ml for 300ml per roll) for 11m

I use 600ml with "H" and put 10ml of syrup to 590ml water.
I just bought 4 rolls of 5222, and will shoot it at 400, and develop it according to the Master Dev Chart app for HC110 "H" -- 14m @ 20c-- 5222 has a great latitude.

I usually take an ISO test roll from 200-1600 for a first time user roll. But, I think with 5222 I can skip that.
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Kodak Double X in HC 110, 1:60 from raw syrup 11.5 min. M2 and Planar 50mm f2.0.
Film rated at around 320 iso.
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What dilution of HC-110 are you using?
Sorry, lost track of this thread. I use dilution H, or for me, 64:1.

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beautiful shots mate but this is not a gallery thread. At least share some information.
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beautiful shots mate but this is not a gallery thread. At least share some information.
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I started an XX thread years ago here, which has everything you will ever want to know about souping XX, with boku examples. Go look, it will take you a while This film works well in just about any type of developer. I would say my favorite tonality wise is still D76 or ID11 (but it dosen't keep well). I also have used; Dr. Bloods, Leica (Beutler) Developer, Diafine, D76 (I mix my own ADOX/Borax MQ) and a few others. One I still want to experiment with is ACUFINE for higher speed.

These four examples are:

Eastman XX, Straight Legacy Pro Microdol-X (from Freestyle) replenished. I've used the same gallon of stock for all of my B&W film (roll, sheet, 35mm). The stock solution is now four years old!! Seems to get better with age

I bracket my XX shots, if it's something important to me at the moment, I want to make sure I can really nail the exposure, under all circumstances. I shoot one at EI 250, then open one stop, shoot another. Sometimes I will open an additional stop and shoot a third frame. Film is cheap to me. Microdol-X is NOT a speed enhancing developer, the film requires additional exposure. Whatever it takes and whatever works. When I look at the dried negs I am usually glad that i have given myself a choice of exposure.

I process in a JOBO 2500 Multi -Tank 4 or 5, spinning on an old Unicolor Uniroller. With Mic-X, development times tends to be extremely long.... When it is cold in the winter in my basement darkroom I have gone as long as thirty minutes. The developer is soft working and very compensating. I happen to love the tonal range I'm getting with the combo. Back in the seventies Microdol-X was my favorite developer, along with Acufine for low light work.

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If shadow detail is lacking, simply increase exposure.
If highlight density is lacking, increase development.

That's it. It's a very forgiving film.

D76 for 8-10 minutes at 68F is pretty bulletproof for ISO 250. ISO 200 for tungsten lighting.
What are you trying to achieve?
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What is the current purchase price of this Eastman XX 35mm film for 100 feet? (*or 400 feet, as it is motion picture film)
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What is the current purchase price of this Eastman XX 35mm film for 100 feet? (*or 400 feet, as it is motion picture film)
Cheapest way (per 36 exp roll) is 400' direct from Kodak Motion Picture NYC
1-800-621-FILM Call them and ask
Very friendly folks. Take VISA and practically next day shipment

Last time I bought some it was $1.69/roll But is may have gone up
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Cheapest way is 400' direct from Kodak Motion Picture NYC
1-800-621-FILM
Very friendly folks. Take VISA and practically next day shipment
Thanks for the info.

The Kodak website is very sketchy, and not very informative, no price given, not even film width is mentioned, as it could be a reel of 16mm 5222 film that they are referring to, as it is motion picture film.

The only place I found online is Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/35mm-Motion-...-/251351819342

And that is pricey film with the CDN dollar to USD exchange rate, compared to a hundred feet of Arista 100 or Kentmere 100 from B&H for 40 USD and free shipping to Canada if one orders three 100 foot bulk film rolls.
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I seem to remember $212 for 400 feet but that was several years ago.

There was a time (when I started the XX thread) that you could buy scraps of XX from Hollywood movie cameras for 17 US Cents a foot. Sadly those days are long gone.

I don't use this film because of the price. I buy it because of it's unique retro qualities and I vastly prefer it's midtone tonalities compared to other films I have and also use.

To get a current price you have to call them
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I seem to remember $212 for 400 feet but that was several years ago.

There was a time (when I started the XX thread) that you could buy scraps of XX from Hollywood movie cameras for 17 US Cents a foot. Sadly those days are long gone.

I don't use this film because of the price. I buy it because of it's unique retro qualities and I vastly prefer it's midtone tonalities compared to other films I have and also use.

To get a current price you have to call them
$212 USD would be OK in today's world but not over $400 USD for a price of over 130 CDN dollars per hundred feet of film, at that price it is cheaper to bite the bullet and just buy a hundred feet of bulk Tri X from Henry's or DC Camera in Toronto, and that is paying through the nose from those shops.

Tom A would probably know a relatively current price of Kodak 5222 film, as he uses tons of it and he lives in BC Canada, so he has to also deal with the exchange rate, duty, tax and shipping cost.
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