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Advancing past frame 39 with a sinking heart
Old 11-04-2013   #1
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Unhappy Advancing past frame 39 with a sinking heart

What a rotten feeling it is to see the frame counter go past 39! The second thought of course is "Now which of the previous 38 'exposures' where of significance, and can they be retaken?"

Oh well! It happens to the best of us... right?? Anyone else want to admit they've loaded a camera only to find out later that the leader never took up as expected?
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Old 11-04-2013   #2
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Tends to happen to me if it's a camera that I don't have a good "feel" for. Loaded a Pentax KX a few weeks back. Very rarely use it, but wanted to run some film through with the 31mm and 43mm Limiteds. Has happened to me with that body before, and I should know better. But the solution in my head is always "You really should just buy an LX...."
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I had this happen on a helicopter. In my nervousness, I cranked the advance way too hard and ripped the film right out of the canister. Surprisingly I only ruined a few frames when I popped open the bottom plate to see what happened.
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In a hurry, yes -once. I learned to confirm EVERY load after that.
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Yep. Right of passage.

But for me, the issue is not the leader failing to engage with the take up spool, it's the complete failure to even load a new cartridge to begin with!
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Old 11-04-2013   #6
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Recently happened to me. BUT I loaded correctly. On my M2 I must have bumped the frame counter ahead without noticing. Kept shooting 36...37...38.......ok done. 39.... 40.....
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Old 11-04-2013   #7
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I did this with a Canon A1 at the Grand Canyon as a teenager. It was heartbreaking as it was my first trip there and as I'd put a huge amount of work in to that roll. The next roll I shot there ripped and was almost entirely exposed (the only I'd ever had that happen).

I remember putting the camera down for a quite a while after that. I think it was about 6 months before I felt like shooting again.

I've gotten better at moving on from my mistakes.
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Yes. Guilty as charged. Well, once I even tried to "finish" the roll that was never put in the camera... With too many cameras sometimes I forget what film I have in what camera (or no film at all).
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Yep! happened twice. Now I wind on once before I close the door.
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Old 11-04-2013   #10
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Tends to happen to me if it's a camera that I don't have a good "feel" for.
Exactly. I've done it twice now - once on an F3, today on an F2.

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Yep! happened twice. Now I wind on once before I close the door.
I think that's prudent, and I'll be adopting it for all new-to-me cameras. Consider the wasted frame or two as an "insurance premium".
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Old 11-04-2013   #11
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I almost did it today, but noticed it right away. However, the other day I opened the back, certain that the film was rewinded, only to see that it wasn't.
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Old 11-04-2013   #12
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Yep, happened twice.

1st time it happened I was still less then 10 rolls into my first M body. 2nd time was a few weeks ago, an important roll that had some of the best shots of a weekend long assignment. I felt anguished over it for a couple of hours, then I had a few beers, reminded myself that it happens, and loaded another roll.
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Yes, it happens, though I tend and try to remember to look suspiciously at the rewind knob early on.
Once, in Las Vegas of all places, it took about 10 frames before I noticed...


Apparently the film must have slipped from the take up spool after the first advance, so I got something rather than nothing..

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I shot a whole phantom roll once. Picked up FM2 going on holidays. Film reminder in place, think it was Provia. Shot the whole imaginary roll, before I twigged what was going on. I still get to hear about that one.

Lesson learned and now I always check the crank turns when I advance the film in that and every other film camera. Also am more careful when I pick up a camera I haven't used recently.
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Exactly. I've done it twice now - once on an F3, today on an F2.



I think that's prudent, and I'll be adopting it for all new-to-me cameras. Consider the wasted frame or two as an "insurance premium".
So far I've not as of yet come short in shooting less than what the mfg. film requires, & most times I still end up getting at least one extra frame.
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Not only have I done that, but I have also taken out a camera I thought was loaded, shot all day, and then realized it was never loaded in the first place.
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Not only have I done that, but I have also taken out a camera I thought was loaded, shot all day, and then realized it was never loaded in the first place.
Did that once with a Canon AE-1 program. After my 4th or 5th time advancing the film I knew something didn't quite feel right & waalaa...no film!
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I was close to tears. Had some real good ones on that one.
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Did this once on holiday - luckily after 4 shots I figured something wasn't right. But then when trying to wind back just in case I lost the end of the roll to the canister. Will be using a changing bag to put this film inside an IXMOO soon (finally have a reason to use it!). Now I always put my ear against the body for the first few times I wind on, to take comfort in the sound of the film sliding past, although I look like a nutter doing it...
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Never.
I've never threaded and closed backs while loading. I always advanced a bit, check the tension and then close the back. Might lose the frame XX/0 or 1 but at least I'm sure I've loaded it well.
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Yes, it happens, though I tend and try to remember to look suspiciously at the rewind knob early on.
Once, in Las Vegas of all places, it took about 10 frames before I noticed...

Apparently the film must have slipped from the take up spool after the first advance, so I got something rather than nothing..

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I laughed and spat out my coffee, but this ended up being an interesting shot (or 10).

I've actually had it happen most often with an F6, despite the film indicator window. Thankfully I can carry over the tension-checking technique with it.
There's also the time last week when I opened a back loaded with a bulk-loaded roll, thinking there was nothing inside because of the black canister.
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We've all done it. And more than once. Or twice.

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Several times.

That's why love manual advance and rewind. I try to remember to watch the rewind knob turn with the first few advances.
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That's happened to me too. Just once, but the sinking feeling I had as the frame counter just kept on going on and on I'll never forget.

A related story. Back when I graduated from high school, a few buddies of mine went out west (USA) on a road trip. One of my friends bought a brand new Pentax Spotmatic 35mm SLR, which he had never used before. He assume you loaded it like the typical 126 instamatic camera of the day, you opened the back, dropped in the film cartridge, close the back, then took pictures. He dropped the 35mm film cassettes into his Pentax without ever threading the film onto the take-up spool. He "took" several 36 exposure rolls of film of the Grand Canyon, Grand Tetons, etc. Every roll of film wasn't exposed. Kind of ruined his trip.

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My favorite camera for this goof is a Leica IIIf.
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Not sure that ever happened to me - I'm rather a specialist when it comes to rewinding only half of the film and then open the back because I think I heard or felt the film slipping out of the take-up spool (want the leader outside of the canister as I do the devloping myself usually).
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My favorite camera for this goof is a Leica IIIf.
strangely enough the leica iiif (my main camera) is the only film camera i own, I never had problems with loading or opening too early after rewinding...
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...He "took" several 36 exposure rolls of film of the Grand Canyon, Grand Tetons, etc. Every roll of film wasn't exposed. Kind of ruined his trip.
Oh, that's terrible! I could see that really putting a dent in one's enthusiasm in general. I don't know what is worse - knowing you goofed up loading the film, or finding out that the film was ruined in development. Cue classic story of Capa's ruined D-Day negatives!
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Only once that I can remember, after that I got into the habit of partially advancing film before closing camera back to check it's transporting OK, and regularly gently turning rewind lever to take up any slack before advancing the film and then watching the rewind knob turn as I advance the film.

I recently tore a film mid-roll in my Trip 35 without realising it. I thought it had become jammed and then freed itself. Took a few phantom frames and realised there wasn't enough tension to indicate proper film advance. Stupidly then popped the camera back in open shade to check what was happening! Closed it immediately when I saw the exposed film around the take-up spool and the torn end hanging out of the film canister. Amazingly, I only lost a few frames from the take-up spool. Some fogging at the edges.
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I always watch the rewind knob. Never had problems with the camera I shoot mostly (one of the few OM-1's I have). Great take-up spool on that camera. I always manage to get 37 or 38 frames with it. Just check if the rewind-knob is turning!
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Only once that I can remember, after that I got into the habit of partially advancing film before closing camera back to check it's transporting OK, and regularly gently turning rewind lever to take up any slack before advancing the film and then watching the rewind knob turn as I advance the film....
I guess that happened to everyone at some point of time and after that you just make sure ... as Lynn above.
None of these issues with the M9 & MM though .
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strangely enough the leica iiif (my main camera) is the only film camera i own, I never had problems with loading or opening too early after rewinding...
Could be, I did this when I brought my IIIf out of retirement about 10 years ago. I never did it in the 1960s.

I hope you love your IIIf like I have mine. 50 years with the same camera and I can't tell you what it feels like to pick it up and shoot. I go Zen with it in my hands, I even think I do better composition with it.
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I go past 39 all the time, no problem.

Oh wait, I have a half frame.....never mind.
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I go past 39 all the time, no problem.

Oh wait, I have a half frame.....never mind.
That's a good one. Out of curiosity, is half-frame 35mm about the same as APS-C? What uses half frame - original PEN? I guess if you think about it, Barnack made his original camera shoot a double-cine frame, so you could consider yours a "full frame" and everyone else shooting 35mm "double frame"!
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First time shooting Yashica 135 roll went past 40. It never caught the sprocket:-(
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Yep.. did this while in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area with one of my first and last rolls of Kodachrome 64, just a few months shy of the 2010 retirement. And maybe a couple times since then...
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Shooting a double Greek baptism with Nikon F's when I realized the rewind wasn't moving . Put that one down and started shooting with my 2nd F .Lucky me I caught it early on so didn't lose to many frames.
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I don't think I've mis-loaded, but I've done something else just as bad: taking the bottom off my Leica without first rewinding. I plead heat stress and altitude sickness: it was a 110 degree day in the high California desert. I had just finished a roll in some gardens in Palm Desert, CA. I felt pretty dumb.
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