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Roger Hicks is a well known photographic writer, author of The Rangefinder Book, over three dozen other photographic books, and a frequent contributor to Shutterbug and Amateur Photographer. Unusually in today's photographic world, most of his camera reviews are film cameras, especially rangefinders. See www.rogerandfrances.com for further background (Frances is his wife Frances Schultz, acknowledged darkroom addict and fellow Shutterbug contributor) .


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Old 08-12-2013   #1
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Where's Roger?

Haven't seen Roger post anything lately.
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been wondering the same
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Don't know how you guys misses that exit?

Gone and slammed the door pretty hard on the way out!

Damned shame too.
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It's known as a "Grand Farewell" speech on internet forums.

They always come back eventually.
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It's known as a "Grand Farewell" speech on internet forums.

They always come back eventually.
It always amuses me (or not) when people are denying others the ability to take the decision to leave this forum.
Do you want the sad list of people that left and didn't come back?
Some of them where really fine people too, made great contributions and are really missed.
Their leaving should be taken a bit more seriously if we want to maintain this site as a good place to be.
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I'm not denying them anything. I'm stating an observation.

You may feel free to state your own observations.
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Their leaving should be taken a bit more seriously if we want to maintain this site as a good place to be.

Agreed....
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none of his latest posts seem to indicate anything out of ordinary. maybe the thread got deleted or something...
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It always amuses me (or not) when people are denying others the ability to take the decision to leave this forum.
Do you want the sad list of people that left and didn't come back?
Some of them where really fine people too, made great contributions and are really missed.
Their leaving should be taken a bit more seriously if we want to maintain this site as a good place to be.

How many jumped and how many were pushed?

I know people leave when it all gets the better of them but to my awareness a lot of valuable members have been banned also.
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I have been wondering this too. I caught the end of a thread (since deleted), wherein there was some sort of argument. I didn't read it, or even know what it was about. The last thing posted was from the head Bartender and it read "thread closed". That thread has now disappeared.
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I'm not denying them anything. I'm stating an observation.
Boris,

Peace...
I'm not trying to start a fight here, and you're not alone in those observations that "they always come back". Thing is:
1- They don't
2- Stating they do is denying them the free will of leaving, or not to return
3- IMHO statements like these are offensive and gives the feeling that these people are not important, that their leaving cannot be a serious step, only a whim. It also contributes to a "business as usual" atmosphere that I personally dislike. Roger (or Brian) leaving is not business as usual. I'm not very involved in the forum activity, and I'm not looking to know exactly what happened, but I feel that something seriously wrong did take place if these contributors left, and it saddens me.
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Ah - thanks Keith. I missed the drama. This is the second time (during my membership period) that Roger has chosen to depart.

We all benefit from a holiday now and then!
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How many jumped and how many were pushed?

I know people leave when it all gets the better of them but to my awareness a lot of valuable members have been banned also.
Maybe it could be a good policy to give some official explanations when this happens, instead of opening the pandora box of hearsays when a high profile contributor "disapears".
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Ah - thanks Keith. I missed the drama. This is the second time (during my membership period) that Roger has chosen to depart.

We all benefit from a holiday now and then!

He may be off somewhere 'Rogering' another forum!
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Maybe it could be a good policy to give some official explanations when this happens, instead of opening the pandora box of hearsays when a high profile contributor "disapears".
The inner workings might be too petty or ugly to see the light of day.
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Roger is in France, last I heard.
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A.J. Liebling famously wrote that there is freedom of the press in the United States for every person that owns one. Same is true in world of i-forums I guess too. I'm still sad about Brian S and now doubly sad for Roger, who really is a wise voice.
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PS Both Brian and Roger were Coffee Mentors or whatever they're called.
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It always amuses me (or not) when people are denying others the ability to take the decision to leave this forum.
Do you want the sad list of people that left and didn't come back?
Some of them where really fine people too, made great contributions and are really missed.
Their leaving should be taken a bit more seriously if we want to maintain this site as a good place to be.
+1. Some really good posters keep me coming back here for the most part, and every time one goes, it makes me question whether to stay.

Sorry to see Roger go, and seriously considered whether to bother hanging around after he did, as his posts were one of my single favourite parts of rff. Hopefully Roger is doing well wherever he is now.
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Maybe it could be a good policy to give some official explanations when this happens, instead of opening the pandora box of hearsays when a high profile contributor "disapears".

The thing is ... I know exactly why he left because I was active within the small window of time when all the drama occured.

One thing that we will never get around here is an official explanation about these types of events. The reason why is obvious and I respect that decision.
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Hopefully Roger is doing well wherever he is now.
I'm sure he is. I just hope that some time, after whatever the fuss was looms smaller, he decides to start posting here again.

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He can be found.
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Brian is still very active on numerous other forums. He is one of the most highly knowledgeable people that posted here.

Many left over what they felt was over-zealous moderation. That point is debatable, but that what they tell me.
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One thing that we will never get around here is an official explanation about these types of events. The reason why is obvious and I respect that decision.
True. At the same time, as a member, I find it very disconcerting to find posters I would regard as almost part of the fixtures here (in a good way), disappeared suddenly (through their volition or the forums). Even knowing someone was gone would be something, but as things stand, it's often quite surreal here to me. There is a comparison I have in mind, but it would seem overly dramatic to make it.
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He can be found.
Cheers, thanks for that
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As football managers say after a notable exit "no one is bigger than the club".
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Roger left? I can't help but be happy for him. Finally he kicked this nasty habit! It gives me hope that maybe one day I, too, will be able to stop wasting my time in front of the screen getting into arguments with people I don't know about things I don't really care that much about (the arguments are hardly ever about photography).
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As football managers say after a notable exit "no one is bigger than the club".
... and many other meaningless clichés
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I post on many forums, on a variety of subjects, and all of them roughly fall into one of two distinct types:

Those that don't take themselves too seriously as a community, have lax moderation, and while it gets feisty at times, tends to achieve a "bar room" like atmosphere of regulars, visitors, and well rounded discussion.

And those that desperately want that atmosphere, and even claim to, but take themseleves too seriously as a community, and end up with situations like this.

It's all junior high drama.
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Don't know how you guys misses that exit?

Gone and slammed the door pretty hard on the way out!

Damned shame too.
I am one that missed it also. And I agree it is a shame. I always looked forward to Mr. Hicks' posts, even when on occassion I may not have totally agreed with him.
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I miss Roger. But I respect his decision to leave. Perhaps he will come back, in time. I hope so. He may never, though. People move on.
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I am one that missed it also. And I agree it is a shame. I always looked forward to Mr. Hicks' posts, even when on occassion I may not have totally agreed with him.

Yes ... you don't have to agree with someone to like them and get along. Many people overlook this small point IMO.
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Also it's wise to appreciate things that are at hand. These guys won't necessarely disappear from this planet so you can follow their footsteps but I'll remember fondly times when I was able to read his opinions, watch his active presence around here.

One of us moments so to speak.
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He may be off somewhere 'Rogering' another forum!
Hahaha, hilarious!

And also: "Vewy well then, I shall welease Woger!"

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Things got heated. The bar got closed.
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Things got heated. The bar got closed.
I hate it when that happens. . . . that's usually the best time of the night

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I'm on a few forums where there is a very lightly moderated (or unmoderated) subforum where "anything goes".

That might be a good idea here. It works for watch forums, other tech forums, etc.
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I think the moderation here on RFF is fine. Many people forget that this is a multicultural gathering and forget, neglect, or don't care to close their closets.
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For what it's worth, I completely missed the fireworks myself.

It's easy to miss when you come visit a day or two later and everything's gone...leaving the masses to hearsay and speculation.

As far as Roger, my reaction to him was fairly similar to my reaction to most of this site: very knowledgeable, but a very particular personality, and if you showed anything but admiration, the masses were quick to descend upon you.

It's unfortunate that people get upset enough to take their ball and go home, but I can't say I'll lose sleep over any of the recent depatures.
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