Leica M5 BGN from KEH and size
Old 05-30-2013   #1
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Leica M5 BGN from KEH and size

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So I've been lusting after a Leica for quite some time now and hope to own an M5 soon. Everyone talks about how big and clunky they are, yet they're difficult to find in person so I've never been able to handle one. Does anyone have an actual size comparison that I can relate to? A picture of one next to a Bessa R2 or OM1 or something. I want a meter which rules out earlier versions and funds rule out M6 or above.
Also, has anyone experienced a BGN camera body purchase from KEH? I am looking for a shooter, so dings and brassing, etc... aren't too much of a concern. I would appreciate your feedback as I want to have a good first experience with a Leica purchase.
Thanks in advance, Chris
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It's a big camera, but I have big hands so it was very comfortable.
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Old 05-30-2013   #5
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Big and clunky? Big yes, clunky NO. I love the needle meter (most accurate of all the Leica metered M's).

Okay, you aren't going to get the 75mm or 28mm frameline, because they weren't invented when the M5 was in production.

But it is the only M with the shutter speed in the finder. And it balances the bigger M lenses beautifully (like the 75mm, Noctiluxes, 90mm, 135mm).

Can't comment on keh BGN grade, but they offer a solid return policy.
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Thanks Vick. The pictures help. I may get the BGN one just to get my hands on one for a few days to see how it feels. I've heard awesome things about the metering system on the M5.
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Old 06-01-2013   #9
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Most of the folks who bash the M5 never even used one. Never even seen one either. And why? Because in pictures it looks ugly. But in the hands it's probably the best mechanical M ever made.

Compared to an M4, it weighs 100 grams more. It's a full 7mm higher. And a whopping 17mm longer. Same thickness though. As you can read, it's soooooo big!!!!

One nice item is that it has less vibration then the dainty Ms. That's documented in the magazine reviews when the camera came out, and user experience.
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Have you reviewed the meter/battery issue with this model?
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Battery issue? Just use a wein cell or have it converted.

Meter problem? Waaay overblown. Honestly, the reports have taken on a mythical quality.
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A general comment about KEH.... return policy is OUTSTANDING. However, the BGN grade has been all over the board with me. In fact I have had some EX grade stuff that disappointed me.
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Battery issue? Just use a wein cell or have it converted.

Meter problem? Waaay overblown. Honestly, the reports have taken on a mythical quality.
Preferably recalibrate it. The zinc/air Wein cell has three problems: first, it is rather expensive, second, it is always reacting, even with no load on it, so does not have an impressive lifespan. But third and most important, one of the reaction products is water, and unless the battery compartment is well ventilated there is a real risk of corrosion, which is not welcome in hyperexpensive Wetzlar hardware.

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Old 06-01-2013   #14
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I had the pleasure of handling a M5 a month ago with my 50mm 'cron on it. Not only is it an attractive (if still unusual looking) camera but it also felt great in my hands, like every other Leica I have held or used. The VF was outstanding: I am hard pressed to say whether I like it better than the M6 Classic because I feel I could easily have learned to love it. There are so many other cult cameras than handle terribly, yet this excoriated Leica maintains all the magic of its predecessors.
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The m5 looks big...but really is a pleasure to handle...

Setting the speeds is far faster and comfortable than the m6...

I canīt find a flaw with itīs operation. The lightmeter pattern is great smaller dot than the m6-m7

And having one in front of you youīll find itīs quite handsome...

I think the trouble comes when people compare sizes and so...

BTW the one i had had itīs lightmeter off, a technician could manage to make it work again, but i had to calibrate it
Itīs simply incredible to do that!!! i enjoyed enormously doing it!!!

Once i used the wein cells but quickly changed it for the most tipicall higher voltage standard battery as someone said the weins are always reacting you can fix a sticker in the hole that vents the cells when not in use but when you want to shoot must take the sticker away & must wait for the cell to oxidize again and to "warm up" until reaching itīs full voltage...donīt worry about the hi output of the other batteries thy wonīt damage nothing and your readings will overexpose by a little...

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Thank you all for your feedback. I feel that I won't ever satisfy my lust until I get my hands on one. There's one on Ebay that was just CLA'd from Leica in January. KEH won't give me a serial # for their BGN one. They also have one on Ebay but I have no indication of whether it needs or has been CLA'd. That would usually cost @ $300 from Sherry. Hmmmm, I should just pull the trigger and take it from there.
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I'd strongly advise that you get a CLA'ed unit, and even better if CLA'ed by Leica or DAG or Sherry Krauter. They both were trained on the M5 production line.

Has your research turned up discussion of a shutter drum flaw, which if occurs, renders the body useless? Issue was fixed after serial number 134xxxxx. The word is "if the body works now, it probably doesn't have the flaw, because, if it was used, it would have failed a long time ago".

But still, it is something to avoid, if it could be avoided.
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Thanks Vick. I have looked into it which is why I've been trying to get KEH to let me know the serial number on their BGN body. But there is one CLA'd in January by Leica on Ebay which I may go for.
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I owned one, and I got the MR9 battery adapter to use SILVER OXIDE Batteries, a $30 investment, SO bats are available everywhere...
It also had a VF Frame upgrade to include the 28mm and 75mm. NO EFFECT on the OEM 50mm that has the Meter Area defined.

Very solid, fast metering w/o taking your eye from the VF...
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Old 06-02-2013   #20
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M5 is the only leica i'd ever want
coolest design, best meter system from what i've read
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M5 = great, but stay away from the early model version of it.
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It is said that even the early models are likely fine as the advance mechanism will already have gone years ago and been replaced.

Two decisions: chrome or black; two lug or three lug. I have a chrome two lug. That looks and feels fantastic. I would not want that third lug fouling my right hand on the camera. Some people like very little dogs. I like big dogs. And the M5 is a big beautiful thoroughbred.
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Uhhhh, does GAS stop after you own a Leica? Cause I think I am the new owner of an M5 that was just CLA'd by Leica in January :-)
I think my new Canon LTM 50/1.4 will be a great accompaniment to it.
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Nope. Buying an M Leica will make the GAS a lot worse. The main difference is that the new gear you lust after is a lot more expensive.

The M2 plus Canon f1.4 lens is an excellent combination. When it came out in the 60's, many said that it was superior to the Summiluxes of the time. In some circles that is heresy, of course, but this is a truly excellent lens.

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GAS begins with buying a Leica. You are doomed.
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The M5 is da best!!!!!
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Uhhhh, does GAS stop after you own a Leica? Cause I think I am the new owner of an M5 that was just CLA'd by Leica in January :-)
I think my new Canon LTM 50/1.4 will be a great accompaniment to it.
Funny thing, Chris--my 50 1.4 Canon is on my M5 right now. Yes, it's a nice combo.

And regarding the OP: I got the M5 after using an M4 for a good while. I like the index-finger logic of the speed dials on the M5 and the CL, while being able to meter and never take my eye off the subject. And the M5 feels great in hand. I may sell the M4, though a little voice keeps telling me to keep my fully mechanical cameras (with the M4 at the apex of that pyramid).
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Yeah Robert, I was looking at the M4s quite a bit, but since I had heard such great things about the M5 metering system, I couldn't pass it up. But apparently I am now on a very slippery slope with regards to Leica gear, so there's a good chance that I'll be acquiring more gea....nope. I won't do it. Haven't even received the M5 yet.
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An M5 without the meter becomes an M4 with shutter speed display, but without 1 sec shutter. And how often do you use the 1 second anyway? :-)


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Good luck and have fun! The M5 is a fantastic camera, despite its critics.

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It has arrived! :-) looks like new and feels beautiful to hold. Running my first roll through. One note, should the film rewind lever be flush with bottom plate? It's slightly bent and I don't want to try and bend it back if I don't need to.
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Funny thing, Chris--my 50 1.4 Canon is on my M5 right now. Yes, it's a nice combo.

And regarding the OP: I got the M5 after using an M4 for a good while. I like the index-finger logic of the speed dials on the M5 and the CL, while being able to meter and never take my eye off the subject. And the M5 feels great in hand. I may sell the M4, though a little voice keeps telling me to keep my fully mechanical cameras (with the M4 at the apex of that pyramid).
My kit consists of a M5 and M4. The M5 shares the same viewfinder as the M4 - very useful.
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It is okay as long as it rotates freely. It is aluminum, so, be careful if you try to bend it. I may break.

Oh, one more thing, make sure that the lever is folded in, before trying to advance the film. The lever is ratcheted. If it is out, and you try to wind film, it will not move and you'll tear the film.

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Thanks Vick. It seems to work fine, I just can't set it down without a tilt from it protruding slightly. But not that I would set it down much all alone anywhere :-)
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