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Old 09-27-2012   #81
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I just bought a IIf the other day, and I agonized over which Elmar to get until I couldn't sleep! I looked at hundreds of pictures on flickr, then realized that what I really wanted was a wider lens. I ordered a Summaron from Youxin and now I'm sleeping, but I still want an Elmar. I love the way it draws. Maybe later...
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Looking through this thread again I was stoked looking at all these great images so I loaded the Zorki C with the 50/3.5 elmar & some 400 b&w film. I'm a bit rusty on my sunny 16 so hope I get some decent shots.
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I like both lens but tend to favor the Summitar.. The below image was taken with the Summitar...


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Helen et al,

I agree that these are stunning photos.

Not to take-away from the qualities of the Summitar ( or the photographer ), since these pictures all seem to have been taken over 50 years ago, I am curious as to what film was used, as this may be a significant contribution to these terrific photos...
Les asked me this morning about this thread, so he may come here to address such a question.
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I love my Summitar, although I'd also like an Elmar at some point!

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I have been AWOL from RFf for far too long. It was Raid Amin who alerted me yesterday to this thread. First off, thank you Helen Hill for your kind words regarding my Flickr photos taken with a 50/2 Summitar. A better link to see only the Italian Period (1958-59) set is http://www.flickr.com/photos/lesged/...7594433862983/

Thanks also to William (wlewisiii) and others for your complimentary remarks.

As to the film and developer I used in the dark ages of the late 50s, the largest majority were made with Agfa IFF film and I brewed my own Beutler formula similar to Neofin Blue/
Slow speed, thin base film and compensatng developer was a brand new idea that I learned from a German woman photographer, who also lived in Florence, Italy. Her name slips my 87 year old memory bank. but I'll add it ASAP.
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Welcome back, Les!
I just sent you an email to inform you that your RFF account was still active.
Please start a new thread and post many Summitar images for us there.
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Thank you Raid for notifying Lesgedi and alerting me to his wonderful series of 1960's Italian street shots.

And Les: absolutely lovely shots!
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YAY...LES IS BACK !!!!!

makes me very Happy to see You here
and my Heart still skips a Beat, and my Face has a Smile when I look at your Photos
You and that Summitar make Magic
Lovely Les ...!!!
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Thanks Raid and Huubl. BTW, it was not quite in the 1960s All the photos were taken in and around Florence were in 1958 and 59 while I worked in the city of flowers, Florence, where I also went to art school in 1950 & 51 and married my classmate Claudia, whose pics are in the Flickr set.

The German photographer, Helga Gilbert, also was a Leica user and specialized in children portraits against the light. They were amazing and gorgeous b&w photos. The details blew me away. I used a Leica IIf that I bought new in Copenhagen in 1955 along with the Summitar that was refurbished by Leitz which was in mint condition.

Loved the Summitar so much, Flickr moniker is Summitar-zen. Have owned 4-5 Summitars since and still have one I use on my Voigtlander Bessa R
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This is a first try to post a photo on RFf in too long a time. I purposely took an old one not in my Flickr Italian Period 1958-59 set.

It was taken with my original Summitar. It was mounted on my Leica IIf


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There you go, Les. I love this image.
Please show us more images.
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Raid, Thanks!

Last image was too big for my laptop screen. This one is better for height.


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The shoes of these three ladies make the image special!
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Raid,

I agree the shoes create an important element in the composition.

The lady on the right singed me with her stare. If it happened now, a half century later, I'd be quite embarrassed.
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Les,
Pick out a few of your flickr images, and add some comments.
You can do it.
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I wonder whether the eight blade Summitar s any better than the later six blade version. The six blade version is coated, but it is difficult to repair.
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Thank you Raid for notifying Lesgedi and alerting me to his wonderful series of 1960's Italian street shots.

And Les: absolutely lovely shots!
Welcome back, Les! I just looked through your Italian collection: they are indeed wonderful! I hope you'll post some here.
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Old 08-03-2013   #102
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Both take wonderful classic photos stopped down some, Summitar more than elmar. Some place around 4 or 5.6 the quality matches so why carry the bigger one? Summitar is soft at F2. Perhaps nice for portraits, but not everyday.
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Raid,

Maybe it would be better to show earlier pics made with a Summitar. They predate the Italian ones by 3 years. They are photos taken in Copenhagen in 1955 while studying at the Royal Academy of Art. It was there I bought my first Leica (IIf) and first Leitz lens (Summitar)

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Thanks for the compliment. My Italian photo set in Flickr used to look much better. Formerly, it faithfully recorded the great range of tone obtained using the magic triad: Summitar, slowest speed Agfa film and Beutler formula (~Neofin blue) Maybe the image degraded passing through Photobucket. Next photos I show will be directly from Flickr using "IMG" brackets.
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That would be very nice, Les. I want to inspect your images from the 50's.
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Elmar v. Summitar

Elmar and Porta:



Summitar and Porta:



Elmar and Porta:



Summitar and Porta:



It was asked if there was a difference in the images of an 8 blade v. 6 blade Summitar. Yes! The 8 blade version doesn't have the crazy seasick bokeh.
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Old 01-25-2014   #106
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I like the Elmar, I have had both the 3,5 and 2,8 versions.
From the 2,8






But hey they're all nice those Leica lenses.
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In good light , Elmar although a Summitar is very very good at 5.6. It does get soft and have low contrast at 2 & 2.7 and much better at 4..

Try and find a Red Scale Elmar which is coated

They will need to be clean inside. any haze at all kills the Leica look to the image
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Old 05-05-2014   #108
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I have both 1951 Summitar and 1929 Elmar. I prefer the Summitar.
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Old 05-05-2014   #109
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I have only tried the Summitar, but have to say I really love it.

The Sarah Photos (Darkmatter) by Fogel's Focus, on Flickr

BMW 2002 - Summitar 50mm f2 - Coffee and Classics August 2013 by Fogel's Focus, on Flickr

One with crappy color film:

Volvo - 444 - Unicolor C-41 - Summitar by Fogel's Focus, on Flickr
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Old 05-30-2014   #110
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Steve, that's a stunning landscape with an Elmar - my hat is off!
Mine, too!
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1939 uncoated Summitar

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The Elmar and the Summitar are very different beasts. Both have their strong points and their weaknesses.

Leica III, Elmar uncoated (1934), Tmax400.




I think I prefer a coated Summar.

Leica IIIc, Summar 50mm f/2 coated, Tmax400.

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Okay, My Leica III has the coated Elmar on it.

William's IIIf has my old Summitar on it, coated and with the nice aperture mechanism.

My IIIf's have Collapsible Summicrons on them.
why do people highly rate the Summitar, but not the collapsible Summicron
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why do people highly rate the Summitar, but not the collapsible Summicron
I rate the collapsible Summicron VERY high, much higher than the Summitar. They are however very difficult to find in pristine condition. Much more expensive than the Summitar too.

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Perhaps I have simple tastes, but this has become an iconic b&w photo for me; it's momentary but also much more than a moment. Makes me want to try a Summitar - though I am fully satisfied with my Elmar. Was this shot with TRI-X Raid?
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I don't know why this thread popped back up, but it is a good one, since these are my two main lenses.
First the Elmar, IIIc & Kodak 400 gold


Then the Summitar, same IIIc, same film, a month later.


It is hard for me to see a defining difference.
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Here's a comparison of uncoated Elmar and Summitar lenses. First, a 1932 uncoated Elmar:

Up top by bingley0522, on Flickr
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Another with the same Elmar (a nickel Elmar, btw), both the photo above and this one shot on Portra 400:

Vintage by bingley0522, on Flickr
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Now, a 1939 uncoated Summitar (same lens as earlier posts of mine in this thread), on Kodak 400 Max:

Outer Sunset by bingley0522, on Flickr
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At the end of the day, I reach for the Summitar more often, because I often need f2.8 when the light gets low. Another recent photo, same lens, same film, not f2.8:

Balboa Ave. by bingley0522, on Flickr
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