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Old 08-26-2006   #161
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Whether fake or not (still funny ), somewhere in this thread is buried what Jorge did... it reads something like he was given small images, and blew them up himself -- lookie at the exif, you see it's got PS CS2 in it. He also said something along the lines of ordering more pics... *shrug*
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Old 08-26-2006   #162
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yeah, i think it's a fake.
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Maybe I'm wrong (hope I'm not), but I bet my bottom euro that in the end Jorge will laugh at all the shrewd experts of fake pictures who could not have seen that it is the true M8. Maybe he's already laughing ...
If I'm wrong, then you can laugh at me
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Old 08-26-2006   #165
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Old 08-26-2006   #166
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I have more photos and more specs coming very soon!
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Old 08-26-2006   #167
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Originally Posted by Jorge Torralba
I have more photos and more specs coming very soon!
That's news I was expecting ... the answer of a big cheese laughing at all of us
Thanks Jorge.
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Old 08-26-2006   #168
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Definitely fake - In the photo of the camera back, you can see that the top plate is not flat but is sloping towards the back. It's too much slope to be from perspective. Kind of ironic since this trickery is made possible through the wonders of digital. Keep your film cameras and buy lots of film - FILM RULES.
That sort of altered perspective is available to film, too. Product shots are typically shot with large format cameras and often include tilts, shifts and swings. So, film rules perspective trickery, too When the product is about the same size as the film (4X5), you are close to the macro zone where perspective adjustments can get strange.
On the original PDF, the body image is 24 chacters wide, same width as the phrase in the text of "additions to our product", above the picture, which if it is at 12pt would be 1.625" or 42mm. That would be quite a compression from a scanned 4X5" negative.
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Yeah more pics and more news! yaaai! How soon is now?
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I too find the position of the multiway controller strange - it looks like it would end up in one's palm when holding the camera. But perhaps I just have the wrong technique (and I also don't have a Leica, so my Canon served as a stand in).



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Old 08-26-2006   #172
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The viewfinder looks almost as big as the ZI's...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorge Torralba
I have more photos and more specs coming very soon!
Hi Jorge,
Glad to see that your laughter has abated long enough to get up off the floor and offer us another tid bit The question now is will Leica beat you to the specs presentation, since the info dike has sprung a leak
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The viewfinder looks almost as big as the ZI's...
i agree. that is one reason why i wouldn't be suprised to see some of the info usually displayed in a top lcd inside the viewfinder.
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I too find the position of the multivay controller strange - it looks like it would end up in ones palm when holding the camera. But perhaps I just have the wrong technique (and I also don't have a Leica, so my Canon served as a stand in).



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Old 08-26-2006   #176
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i agree. that is one reason why i wouldn't be suprised to see some of the info usually displayed in a top lcd inside the viewfinder.
This has been mentioned a couple of timees -- but in professional digital cameras, it's usually displayed in both places, so you can glance at the info while you're walking along, and also look at it while you're actually shooting.

There are comments bu others (about the lack of controls shown in the photos) about not constantly needing to change white balance -- but if you're shooting outdoors with partial shade or under fast-moving clouds with sunshine breaking through, it's handy. An ISO dial is also handy, because, as is not the situation with film, it is another changeable parameter that is quite handy at times (you keep your lens speed up, and your deep depth of field, and kick up the ISO). The same is true with compensation; being able to dial it up, without going to a menu, is useful.

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why would jorge give us fake images?
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What's this link for? It doesn't work.

Stop playing with our emotions! Post the good stuff for once!!!

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Old 08-26-2006   #181
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The link does not works Jorge.

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Old 08-26-2006   #182
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The chrome M8 is beautiful.... what was the link for? The link doesn't work....
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why would jorge give us fake images?
Because he isn't God and wants to raise revenue through hits to the site. The more charitable answer is because he believes the images to be a true representation of the camera - whether they are or not is another matter.
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"What's that blue dot....I don't remember seeing that compass rose button..." If I were a sneaky bugger working for Leica, I would have sent out a bunch of these photos to various ad and news agencies pre-release to see who leaked by using a canary trap. A canary trap is a method for exposing an information leak, that involves giving different versions of sensitive information to each of a group of suspects and seeing which version gets leaked. Each picture is unique, very close to the real product, but not actually the product. When the picture shows up in public, Leica knows exactly which ad agency released the pics. The real pictures are sent out just days prior to the official release date. Something from a Tom Clancy novel, but actually in use by various government and ad agencies. I just love conspiracy theories, eh?
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Old 08-26-2006   #185
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I think it could be the link to the M8 forum. There is a new post: the new Tri Elmar 16-21. And it is not a fake:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ewpost&t=27493

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Because he isn't God and wants to raise revenue through hits to the site. The more charitable answer is because he believes the images to be a true representation of the camera - whether they are or not is another matter.
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Old 08-26-2006   #187
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the thread does not seem to work.
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Old 08-26-2006   #188
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Ok, Link to chrome M8 is this thread here which you are reading.

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=27452

Link to Tri-Elmar and viewfinder is:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=27493
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Looks like it has a BEAUTIFUL viewfinder!!!

They seem to have done better than I expected.

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Thanks!!!!!

In addition to the Tri-Elmar it is expected a 28mm f/2.8 ASPH lens. The previous 28/2.8 was even bigger than the 28/2 ASPH. I expect a very small lens, at an affordable price !!!
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Old 08-26-2006   #191
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Have you held Leica before? you know how small it is? even as it is placed at the momment you will touch it with your thumb.
Not sure how this matters as the camera is already designed (regardless if this is an actual photo of it or not) - but if there is a menu selector as in these photos I would personally prefer to have it where it is shown and NOT in the upper right corner.

Then again, I can't stand most Nikon cameras so I may be biased.
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I'd pefer a wheel in the back, ala Canon DSLR, becuase it is the superior method to adjust exposure compentsation and aperture.... directional pad blows...

However, I suspect it'll be rather hard to spin a wheel at the rear of the camera given the dimension of the M-body...
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Going back to the "Is it real?" question, the shadow of the camera (in frontal view) is definitly PS generated. It is phoney.
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Going back to the "Is it real?" question, the shadow of the camera (in frontal view) is definitly PS generated. It is phoney.
So I guess we're at;

a) These are actual photos of the M8,
b) These are fake photos of the M8,
c) These are accurate computer renderings of what the M8 will look like,
d) These are fake/incorrect computer renderings of what the M8 will look like.

At this point I'm torn between c and d.

Jorge how did you get these and what makes you believe they are real?
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I'd pefer a wheel in the back, ala Canon DSLR, becuase it is the superior method to adjust exposure compentsation and aperture.... directional pad blows...

However, I suspect it'll be rather hard to spin a wheel at the rear of the camera given the dimension of the M-body...
There does appear to be a ring around the directional pad, which might be a zoom control (magnifier icon)in play mode. In record mode maybe it can be assigned to exposure compensation...and where will that show?
That "info" button might access shooting parameters in record mode and in play mode access histograms, blown highlights, EXIF etc.
You may be right about the size issue.
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Rich and others that question the authenticity of the photos. In Sept you will see more showings of the same. The big trade show is just a few eeks away.

Ever pick up a camera manual and wonder about the actual camera used for the instructions? It has some sort of funny look to it but its real.
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Great. Nose-grease on the damn screen on yet another camera.
You use your left eye at the viewfinder???? Am I missing something here??? How many of photogs like you are out there with Leica Rangefinders who use their left eyes?
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You use your left eye at the viewfinder???? Am I missing something here??? How many of photogs like you are out there with Leica Rangefinders who use their left eyes?
I do, unfortunately, on the Leica. On the Bessa, because it's 1:1, I use my right eye. I use the left on my M6 so I can steady the camera against the bridge of my nose. I also don't have to squint or close my right eye because it's staring into the black of the camera body. Unorthodox, maybe, but it works for me.
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You use your left eye at the viewfinder???? Am I missing something here??? How many of photogs like you are out there with Leica Rangefinders who use their left eyes?
i think we did a poll on this too.
there are many left eyed shooters here.
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I removed these photos until I double confirmed their authenticity. Several east coast dealers have confirmed to me that this is the photo they have seen. Although they may look like PS work, they confirm its what they know to exist.
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