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Old 05-24-2006   #1
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Russian 135mm

i know about jupiter 11, but are there any other good russian 135mm lenses?
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Old 05-24-2006   #2
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In LTM? Not that I know of... There are some Japanese brands that you might look for... The Kyoei Super Acall 135mm f/3.5 is a nice lens... I picked mine up from ebay for under $40.

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Old 05-24-2006   #3
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I think the best buy in a 135 LTM is the late/ black Canon--most of the time under $150.
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Wam,

The J-11 is the only 135mm Russian lens for LTM rangefinders. Its good. Its moderate aperture and less complicated camming makes it relatively more free from the bugs which plague the J-9.

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Having just gotten one, I'd have to agree with Bill58 that a Canon 135/3.5 is the best bang for the buck out there. It is a delightful lens to use. A good Jupiter-11 is nice, as are many of the other makes out there, but the Canon lens is just so much better.

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Old 05-25-2006   #6
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thanks everyone. wil browse ebay now.
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Canon 135 LTM will have mounting issues with FED and Zorki
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Canon 135 LTM will have mounting issues with FED and Zorki

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If you plan to use the 135mm lens on your FED-2, don't just get the Canon yet. The longer Canon LTM lenses (85/100/135) I have and had all used a narrow tongue coupler which can catch with the wedge-shaped RF sensor found in FED and Zorki cameras. Soviet LTM lenses use a "full barrel" rf cam coupler which isn't as sensitive to exact lens positioning when the lens is mounted.

See bottom of this page http://www.jay.fedka.com/index_files/Page400.htm for a picture comparing Canon LTM couplers with the ones found on soviet and Leitz LTM lenses.

A Canon lens (even the Leitz Hektor uses a similar coupler) requires that the lens must park exactly so that its narrow tongue coupler will coincide with the camera's RF sensor. No problems when Canon or Leica cameras are concerned since these had good qc with the mounts. Russian and Ukrainian mounts on the other hand often don't have standard entry and stop points so that one lens will often mount with different orientations when put on several FED or Zorki cameras.
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Hi,
Clarence is selling his J11

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/phot...duct=178&cat=2

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Thanks, Kim. It's not a Canon, but at least it works!

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A Canon lens (even the Leitz Hektor uses a similar coupler) requires that the lens must park exactly so that its narrow tongue coupler will coincide with the camera's RF sensor. No problems when Canon or Leica cameras are concerned since these had good qc with the mounts. Russian and Ukrainian mounts on the other hand often don't have standard entry and stop points so that one lens will often mount with different orientations when put on several FED or Zorki cameras.
DO NOT - I repeat - DO NOT try to mount a Hektor or Canon or Serenar or wide angle Elmar or Summaron lens on an FSU camera that has a tear-drop coupling. They WILL bind up or refuse to seat properly and can alter the angle of the tear-drop coupling which ruins the RF accuracy. Why the Russians adopted the tear-drop coupling is a mystery but it's not compatable with most Leitz lenses.

Someone may come along and tell you that THEY have done it without a problem and if so, they've been awfully lucky. The tang of the Hektor and Canon and Nikkor tele lenses will not override the tear-drop coupler. The notch in the Elmar and Summaron mounts will catch on the tear-drop. They just weren't designed to work together.

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DO NOT - I repeat - DO NOT try to mount a Hektor or Canon or Serenar or wide angle Elmar or Summaron lens on an FSU camera that has a tear-drop coupling. They WILL bind up or refuse to seat properly and can alter the angle of the tear-drop coupling which ruins the RF accuracy. Why the Russians adopted the tear-drop coupling is a mystery but it's not compatable with most Leitz lenses.

Someone may come along and tell you that THEY have done it without a problem and if so, they've been awfully lucky. The tang of the Hektor and Canon and Nikkor tele lenses will not override the tear-drop coupler. The notch in the Elmar and Summaron mounts will catch on the tear-drop. They just weren't designed to work together.

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I will confirm that this is the case. My Canon 135 3.5 will not mount on my Fed 3b or Zorki 4k, much to my dismay, no matter what focal length it is set to.
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Also don't try to mount a Super Acall 135mm lens on a FSU camera. I got one for under $40 with a finder and it fits and works great on a Bessa R. I tried to put it on a FED 3 and it won't go because it has the "tang" type coupler instead of a barrel type. Great lens but no bargain if all you've got is FSU LTM RFs.

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thank you so much everyone for the help. will research on this further.
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Old 05-30-2006   #14
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ok....i'm sure you'll find this question an easy one. though i'm already doing it since they fit (M39), is it safe to use INDUSTAR and JUPITER lenses on both my FED2 and LEICA M3?
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Other than Leica Police who can come and arrest you for desecration, it should be fine
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Why the Russians adopted the tear-drop coupling is a mystery but it's not compatable with most Leitz lenses.
Well, that it is mechanically simpler and allows easy adjustment of the close range rangefinder focus without any rare special tools[1] could be some somewhat good reasons.

[1] Unlike e.g. the Canon 7 where some (for me) mysterious tool known by the enigmatic name TO6A-C151-747A/B is needed to adjust the close focus. Does anyone know where to find one? (My electric tape build up workaround sucks.. )

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Wam,

The J-11 is the only 135mm Russian lens for LTM rangefinders. Its good. Its moderate aperture and less complicated camming makes it relatively more free from the bugs which plague the J-9.

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No, it is not good, but superb! There is a less common M42 Jupiter-11A made by KAZAN that focus down to less than 1 meter. It is razor sharp. It is better than the later MC Jupiter-37A 135/3.5.
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Other than Leica Police who can come and arrest you for desecration, it should be fine
Eugene not all the Leica users on the forum are nutters. I'm happy to use my J-8 and J-11 on my 0.85 mag M7, to which I think they are both particularly well suited. The J-11 is an extremely good lens BTW.

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Jupiter 11A quick test
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Jupiter 11A quick test

Here is a test shot with a Jupiter-11A. I shot a Chinese porcelain at about 1.5 meters. The J-11A fully captured the extremely fine patterns.

One image is a 100% crop of the lower right corner. This is only a mid-size Canon 300D file. See for yourself and make your own judgements.
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And here is one from my J-11. Neopan 1600 I think.

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Hi Jay,

No, it is not good, but superb! There is a less common M42 Jupiter-11A made by KAZAN that focus down to less than 1 meter. It is razor sharp. It is better than the later MC Jupiter-37A 135/3.5.
Hi comrade Zhang

Believe or not, I don't have any J-11. In fact, the only 135mm for RF I had (gone now) is a Canon 135 Serenar. Heavy and long. Never fit any of my FED or Zorki- not that I tried to use it, but found that out early when the only Soviet LTM I had was a FED-3. I don't really use anything longer than 100mm for rangefinder work so I didn't really had the urge to get any 135.

The J-11 is cheaper than the J-9 and is not as prone to the latter's bugs. But despite of this, I don't even have a single J-11, but I've got about 5 or 6 J-9's in LTM!

I should find one of those J-11 in M42. The J-37A is already an excellent lens. I like it better than the other (M42 or otherwise) 135mms I used in the past- including those made by Pentax, Pentacon, and even Nikon.


Comrade Wam:

Go ahead. The J-11 should go right on your M3. All my fine-working Soviet LTM has worked superbly on my M3.

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Hi Jay Tongzhi(comrade),

135mm is too long for a rangefinder camera, but a J-11 is a very compact lens for your Canon 300D. I have two M39 J-11s made by Kazan. Both are very sharp lenses, and they are not much bigger than a 50mm normal lens. But this J-11 only focus down to 1.4M. I feel both are slightly sharper than my J-37A 135/3.5. It is a very usefull 216mm F4 telephoto lens for a 300D.

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