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Old 12-09-2018   #41
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You want also this part:
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Good advice on shooting RAW w/ this camera. The D700 is a camera that leaves you asking for nothing more in terms of image quality.

No one was talking about weight or size when it came out. It was spectacular for its time.
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That little green dot (focus confirmation) is why I purchased my N75. At 75 years old my eyes don't allow me to focus any camera very fast any more. And SLR's are the hardest to get it right.
It hit me only after I bought the D700 that a camera that is built around AF lenses will not have any advanced focus assist as we find in many M 4/3 cameras with 10x magnifications and IS or with film cameras with split focus screens or matte screen that we got used to for so many years until we switched to RF cameras with RF focusing.

I will have to get used to it.
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Hello Peter,
Thank you for the detailed postings. I appreciate you taking the time to help me out. The 35-70 range may sound (to me) as being a non-exciting zoom range, but it is a very useful general purpose zoom that could be the only zoom needed for most applications. As you have correctly commented on which type of lenses I like, I seem to have been preferring prime lenses since I switched from SLR to RF cameras. When I was using Canon FD cameras, my workhorse zooms were 28-50 (NOT the inferior 20-55) and the 80-200/4. I had separately a 24/2.8 and a 50/1.4 for certain uses here and there. Now I am (maybe) back to using SLR cameras, so maybe zooms get back in fashion with me. I will go over the material shown via the link that you have provided us.
I hardly ever take photos in dark scenes, so I have never really given cameras with high ISO sensitivity any extra points or value. I don't go out anymore at night to take photos of night scenes. I don't frequent clubs or bars or meetings at night. I don't anymore shoot weddings. Hm. I am really a basic daytime photographer where ISO 160-320 covers almost any type of situation for me.

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(1) Raid if you do eventually go down the path of buying an AF lens and ever do opt for a zoom (though I suspect you may be more of a prime lens kind of guy) I would advocate seriously considering the Nikkor 35-70mm f2.8 AF D.

This lens is excellent and until not too long ago was regarded as the general purpose shorter zoom lens for Nikon using pros. I have seen pixel peeping comparisons with the latest 24-70mm f2.8 AF and it is within a tiny whicker of being as sharp as it. As a walk-about lens it is hard to beat. Best of all these days it can be bought for a song. If I take my Nikon D700 on a holiday and I want to reduce weight and size this is the lens I take instead of say a 24-70mm f2.8 AF lens which is much bigger and heavier and not noticeably better in use (though technically better for pixel peepers).

https://www.imaging-resource.com/len...nikkor/review/

If you buy the Nikkor 20-35mm f2.8 zoom, the Nikkor 35-70mm f2.8 zoom and the Nikkor 80-200mm f2.8 AF zoom you have a superb set of fast 1990s era lenses for the D700. Maybe at a cost of perhaps one quarter of the cost of newest equivalents. If your spine can handle it - they are heavy.

Other non pro lenses of the same vintage can be had for even less - almost pennies. The Nikkor 28-85mm f3.4 - 4.5 comes to mind. I have long liked this lens which though not quite so good as the above lens has a more useful zoom range. It can flare badly if the sun is position wrongly. That is about its only sin.
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(2) Raid congratulations. The D700 is still my main DSLR and I have never felt obligated to upgrade to a newer model. Its pixel count is modest but enough for my purposes (though I would like more to have more detail available for cropping or for landscapes etc where a lot of detail can be found in the images) and its dynamic range is still good by today's standards though it is wise to keep its sensitivity to below 3200 ISO - it does not compete well in the latter respect compared to today's latest crop of cameras. Which is plenty for me. It is a fine camera and well worth owning.

I often shoot with legacy lenses on my D700. I have never really had problems focusing with a D700 though it does not have a focusing screen designed specifically for this purpose. In fact I am not even sure if the focusing screen can be swapped out (as it could be with some Nikon AF film cameras). I have not checked.

Instead I tend to rely to some extent on the magic green dot visible in the viewfinder. This is the dot which works with Nikon AF lenses to signify that the camera has found focus with an AF lens. It works equally well with non chipped manually focused lenses. I have never had a problem with this system and since as it is working off the image that has passed though the lens and is hitting the sensor (and AF module) then it should be accurate. If not for some reason I believe that just as with AF lenses you can use this menu option to adjust the in-focus indication for that manual lens. (You may wish to check this as I have not tried as I have never needed to - its what I have been told). Of course this means you need to also "tell" the camera which lens you are using at any time but this is also easily done in the relevant menu as this allows you to select the focal length and max aperture to record in the metadata recorded for images shot with that lens. I believe the camera then knows to apply any focus confirmation correction to that lens when it knows you are using it. (Check this also). I actually prefer this system to focus peaking which I find invariably still requires enlargement of the image in the finder to check critical focusing as focus peaking often is approximate not highly accurate. Whereas the green dot it either in focus or out of focus and you can tell immediately which applies with no guesswork

Disadvantages - only few. First, it's a fairly big camera especially with a battery grip. Second, it has no image enlargement or focus peaking as with mirrorless cameras due to its optical finder and third, using the rear LCD to shoot is clunky for live view due to the presence of the mirror. I find this best reserved for tripod use.

As to the lenses. They MUST be either AI or AIS (or AI converted from non AI) lenses. Do not mount a non AI lens on the D700 as it has a mechanical aperture follower which can jam and be damaged by a non AI lens if one is mounted. Other than this pretty well any Nikon AU or AIS lens work brilliantly with this near pro camera. BTW it is easy for anyone with basic skills to make the AI conversion of a non AI lens. The instructions are readily found on the internet.

I own and use all of the lenses you mention (sometimes more than one version of specific lenses) except the 21mm lens and they all work perfectly. Some like the 105/2.5 are classics of course.

BTW Always shoot RAW. Though Nikon makes a reasonably good job of processing its JPGs, the D700 as a prosumer camera begs to be shot in RAW mode. It follows that if shooting B/W I process the coloured image on my PC using editing software to convert to mono.

PS Other good lenses to try are the 35mm f2 (early version but converted to AI is the one I prefer due to its lovely rendering, 28mm f2 (ditto), 85mm f1.8 (ditto), 85mm f2 (Under rated and less desirable than the 1.8 version but still better than its critics say), 105mm f1.8 (If you do not mind the expense and the weight it is lovely performer), 135mm f3.5 and f2.8 (Pretty well any version is nice though I like the earlier Sonnar lenses where you have that option, 200mm f4 (The earlier bigger one has nice rendering but technically the redesigned later and smaller one is better nd also renders beautifully). Any number of MF zooms are good too. The ones I have experience of include the 100-300 f5.6 which is universally regarded as excellent though it never really took off in the market, the 28-45 f4.5 which renders nicely though only moderately sharp and the 35-70mm f3.5 which is regarded as the pro precursor to the justly famous 35-70 f2.8 AF lens all come readily to mind.

If you want advice on AF lenses I can help you there too.
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Love the green light but nothing beats a split image focus screen on a film SLR or M based Rangefinder.
The RF or the split image screen both are great.
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Good advice from peterm1. I'll just add that the 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 also belongs in the hall of zoom-Nikkor fame, right alongside the 35-70. It's sharp at all focal lengths and is one of the most useful for macro! I've never seen it do anything bad!
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In film days I used very much this lens on my F100...

Congrats Raid for your new toys!

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Hi Robert. It is a new toy, as you have said. Many years ago I had a Nikon and a Canon film system, but I gave more weight to my Canon FD. I still had a few Nikon cameras (F, F2, FM, FE, FE2) to play with and I had a few Nikkor lenses. When Canon switched from FD to their EOS line, I was very upset at Canon, but prices of FD lenses tumbled, so instead of boycotting them, I bought into FD lenses. Maybe my decision to try out the D700 is to avoid missing out a type of system ( a digital SLR) after I completely boycotted any AF system for many years.

A toy.
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The RF or the split image screen both are great.
Raid if the d700 rabbit hole goes deep you might be able to find a Katz Eye split image screen for your rig. Sadly the company is no more but there might be something at eBay, just saying.
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Thank you Akiva for this tip. I don't know yet if I will love using the DSLR or not. I am also getting interested in using again my Standard Leica, which is the opposite direction based on technology and sophistication. Maybe, using D700 and Standard together is interesting to do? I will search for Katz Eye screens or similar.

This is a good link for Nikon screens comparisons: http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=539.0

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After over a decade of making focusing screens, it is time for us to move on to different ventures. So it is with great sorrow that we must announce the closing of KatzEye™ Optics. We had hoped to negotiate the sale of KatzEye™, so that production of our products could continue; but unfortunately, those plans have not come to fruition and we are therefore ending our production.Our customer support will continue to be available - we still stand behind every product we shipped. If you have any concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us.

It has been our great pleasure and honor to meet and support so many wonderful photographers over the years and we will miss you all greatly. Thank you for your patronage and your many shared photos and kudos over the years - your support made KatzEye™ happen! Best wishes in all that you do, and may the universe favor you with abundant and beautiful photo opportunities!

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I'm not sure of the manufacturer, but a local shop installed this screen in my Df last year:
[IMG]IMG_1475 by Michael DeLuca, on Flickr[/IMG]
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"Maybe, using D700 and Standard together is interesting to do? "

I have done a number of weddings using a D700 with a 50mm lens and a Leica M3 and 21mm lens shooting Tri-X. Folks loved the combo of results.
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Welcome to reality club, Raid.

As much as I like Leicas and else fancy things, if I need picture to be 100% guaranteed - it is DSLR and nothing else.
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I can recommend the Micro Nikkor 55 2.8 if you can't find a 60mm to your liking.
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I have the Micro Nikkor 55/3.5 and not the faster 55/2.8.
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Congratulations, Raid! The D700 is a very competent camera into which you can grow and will allow you discover unexpected capabilities. I've had mine since it came out in 2008 and use it with the MB battery pack (hands are big, it's necessary), and a 24-70 AF zoom (first version). And I've made both 5x7 and 20x30 prints from images made with this camera, so the pixel count is really not that relevant... at least to me.

Now... you can easily find a used 50mm AF f1.8 for it and enjoy it!
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Thanks for the encouragement, Francisco. It is fun to explore a new toy.
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Heya Raid,

Have fun with the new toy!

You piqued my interest: Is your 21mm f/4 the old one for the Nikon F that requires mirror lock up and an external viewfinder? I had one of those lenses once upon a time ... it was a delightful piece, but was quite specific to features of the Nikon F body to function properly (I am not sure it even worked with the F2). An excellent lens once you became accustomed to it.

I've sold off all of my Nikon gear now except for a lovely old Nikon F plain prism from 1962-ish, a Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/3.5 pre-AI, and a Nikkor 28mm f/2 just pre-AI as well (it's actually the AI generation lens but with the pre-AI aperture ring). The F body was given to me, found derelict in a damp basement, and required a full overhaul. The lenses are the leftover from my "lens adaptation wars", now long past. I keep this one with these two lenses for that odd moment when I feel like revisiting my first SLR camera again, in memorium.

I was never terribly fond of modern Nikons past the F3/FE2/FM2n era, although they remain in most ways excellent cameras. The F6 was a fine piece, but the D750 that I had briefly seemed a little over-complicated in use.

The D700 is simpler and a bit more to my liking. I hope you enjoy it a lot.

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Hi Godfrey,
My Nikkor 21/4 requires a mirror lock-up body. It works well on my F2. It is not the F since I sold my F many years ago. I also had a few lenes Ai'd many years ago, but I forgot which ones.

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Superb camera even at 10/12 MP. Very well built and almost as good as my two D3 which were the best.

your problem will be 20 and 24 mm which will be soft in the corners to 56 or 8, mostly 8. That is how mine are , but they work fine on film so it a digital issue.
Replace with 28 2.8 with .7 meter close focus and CRC and you are good to go.

105 and zoom will be fine. Any 35 will be fine.
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Not really. Instead of being an SLR traitor and use only RF cameras, I will be a more balanced user of different types of cameras.
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Superb camera even at 10/12 MP. Very well built and almost as good as my two D3 which were the best.

your problem will be 20 and 24 mm which will be soft in the corners to 56 or 8, mostly 8. That is how mine are , but they work fine on film so it a digital issue.
Replace with 28 2.8 with .7 meter close focus and CRC and you are good to go.

105 and zoom will be fine. Any 35 will be fine.
I mostly like using 50mm lenses, so it should be fine for me.
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I doubt that. I may have no Ai-S. Some are Ai or Ai'd, as they call them.
First, congratulations on picking up a D700 body. I once owned two D700 bodies and they are great cameras.

AI and non-AI updated to AI will work fine.

AF is not possible with AI or AIS lenses. Instead you use the single-point AF mode passively.

It helps to enter the appropriate manual lens profiles in the D700 menu system (link)

I did not have any success judging focus by viewing the factory D700 finder focusing screen. The finder is too dark and the small differences are hard to judge. Also, using the finder screen is affected by the screen shim width that happen to be installed. In my (clumsy) hands changing shims was a challenge. Some people installed third-party finder screens designed to optimize MF. I'm not use these are even available now.

I had to rely on the finder's green MF indicator to confirm focus.

In my case it took trial and error with lots of practice to figure out how the green MF indicator correlated with focus. The green dot usually stays lit over a range of lens collar rotation. For some MF lenses critical focus correlated with the point where the green dot first lit up. For others it correlated with when the center of the range when the green dot was lit.

And – another factor is the MF alignment adjustment for the AF mirror system. I decided differences in peoples' experience with green dot MF success was due to differences in the mirror position calibration.

With practice and experience the D700 works well with AI/AIS lenses. Don't be discouraged if it takes a while to figure out a reliable method for you. Once you get it down, you can get consistent results.
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These are very useful and cautionary points, Willie. Thanks. I will have to take it one day at a time with the new system (to me).
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Raid welcome to D700, I think you will really appreciate it after a short while. I have had one for about 8 years and it is absolutely the best camera I have. The matrix metering is dead on and the AF is fast enough for me. You have received many good points on other lenses to try so I will not add to that list. However, my favorite lens on this camera is the 24-85 3.5-4.5 G which allows me to focus down to 10 inches at all apertures, it is outstanding. Enjoy the camera, it is pretty heavy but the balance is so good that it is very easy to hold and get great pictures. Let us know how you get on with it. Who knows you might just become a DSLR man like a lot of us.
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Hello Tony. Thanks for the encouragement! There was a time when I wanted to use a 4x5 camera. I bought it. I then bought extra backs and flm. After all these years, this camera is still not used by me. It is a Linhof. Time will tell what I will be using next.
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Congratulations Raid! I have the 60mm micro-Nikkor (AF-D version) and can highly recommend it. The AF-D lenses are relatively cheap and have a manual aperture control ring, if you find any of your AI lenses not compatible.

With this camera you can also enjoy Nikon's CLS flash capability, with one or more of the SB-series flashes. With an AF lens you can shoot one-handed with the camera in your right hand and the flash held out in your left. Set the D700 to Commander mode and you can control up to two groups of Nikon flash units off-camera.

With latest generation Nikons they've moved to radio-control flashes so the older SB-600 and SB-800 flashes compatible with your D700 should be readily available second hand.
This lens can cost between $200-$550.
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Heya Raid,

Have fun with the new toy!

You piqued my interest: Is your 21mm f/4 the old one for the Nikon F that requires mirror lock up and an external viewfinder? I had one of those lenses once upon a time ... it was a delightful piece, but was quite specific to features of the Nikon F body to function properly (I am not sure it even worked with the F2). An excellent lens once you became accustomed to it.

I've sold off all of my Nikon gear now except for a lovely old Nikon F plain prism from 1962-ish, a Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/3.5 pre-AI, and a Nikkor 28mm f/2 just pre-AI as well (it's actually the AI generation lens but with the pre-AI aperture ring). The F body was given to me, found derelict in a damp basement, and required a full overhaul. The lenses are the leftover from my "lens adaptation wars", now long past. I keep this one with these two lenses for that odd moment when I feel like revisiting my first SLR camera again, in memorium.

I was never terribly fond of modern Nikons past the F3/FE2/FM2n era, although they remain in most ways excellent cameras. The F6 was a fine piece, but the D750 that I had briefly seemed a little over-complicated in use.

The D700 is simpler and a bit more to my liking. I hope you enjoy it a lot.

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As to the 21mm lens for mirror lock up. I suspect it's also a good thing this does not work on the D700.

Lenses like this are of the sort that place the rear element very close to the film / sensor - it is for this reason of course that the mirror must be locked up and an external finder used. On a film camera this does not matter due to the way film accepts incoming light but as we know on a digital sensor the light needs to be approaching the sensor from a less oblique angle.

My guess is that if you could get it working you might well expect to find that the images would not be very good - with blurring and unpleasant color fringing in some parts of the images - those affected by the outer edges of the lens where the light is most oblique to the sensor plane.

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I mostly like using 50mm lenses, so it should be fine for me.
With a 50mm you should be fine. I had a Katz Eye screen in mine which was a nice addition to aid in MF. For example....





Those are both with a 500mm F4P shot wide open. Mostly to see if I could.

I would also second the recommendation of the 24.0-85.0 mm f/3.5-4.5 lens. I had the earlier version and it never disappointed.

If you are looking for an AF 50mm the 1.8G is sweet and very light. The AF on the D700 is very good.

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Wonderful two images here, Shawn. I have a Canon 500/4.5L but no fancy Nikkor glass. The 24-85 sounds like a very good range.
Thanks for the tips.
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As to the 21mm lens for mirror lock up. I suspect it's also a good thing this does not work on the D700.

Lenses like this are of the sort that place the rear element very close to the film / sensor - it is for this reason of course that the mirror must be locked up and an external finder used. On a film camera this does not matter due to the way film accepts incoming light but as we know on a digital sensor the light needs to be approaching the sensor from a less oblique angle.

My guess is that if you could get it working you might well expect to find that the images would not be very good - with blurring and unpleasant color fringing in some parts of the images - those affected by the outer edges of the lens where the light is most oblique to the sensor plane.

So Raid is not missing much.
You are right, Peter. My Hologon 16/8 is an example where a lens is "too wide" for a digital camera when the lens was designed for a film camera.
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It is quite confusing to find so many different Nikon lenses sold online. Could you help me by adding to your suggested lenses a "suggested buying price"? This would be very helpful. Thanks.

I have looked at some lenses today, including the 60mm micro, and some zoom lenses. The 50/1.8 is also a super buy indeed.
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Is this a good price?

$120 shipped

Excellent++ Nikon AF Nikkor 24-120mm F/3.5-5.6 D.

It supposedly is not good optically, I just read online.
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AF is really nice when your focusing ability goes south (old eyes). Especially with wide lenses. You are such a lens nut do you have any Canon AF lenses (?), I have a Canon 650 film camera if you want it.
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I skipped buying any of the Canon AF lenses, but thank you for your kind offer. It would only drive me buy Canon AF lenses!
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Is this a good price?

$120 shipped

Excellent++ Nikon AF Nikkor 24-120mm F/3.5-5.6 D.

It supposedly is not good optically, I just read online.

Raid I would not buy it based on what I have read no matter what the price. It seems universally regarded as a mediocre performer. Bear in mind I do not own one though and am basing this only on reports.

A later 24-120mm f4 however is well regarded though being later, recognised as better, still in production (I think) and having VR it is much dearer.

The later version:
https://photographylife.com/reviews/...4-120mm-f4g-vr

If you want a good inexpensive zoom for your D700 and are not drawn to the 35-70mm AF f2.8 I mentioned earlier, may I suggest you consider the 35-105mm f3.5- 4.5 AF D. In this case it is important to buy the D version lens which is significantly better than the earlier AF ones and is also widely reported to have an aspherical element though I have not seen an optical diagram. It is also very small by comparison to many other Nikon zooms of the time. You may not like Ken Rockwell as a reviewer (many people do not) but the images in his review show what it can do.

https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/35-105mm-afd.htm

This lens did not much take off in the market at the time I think due to the mediocre rep of some earlier versions, the competition from other lenses in the Nikon range and the fact that technology change caused the D lenses with mechanical AF drive to become a little redundant around this time. Due to these factors it is cheap to buy if you can find one. I think mine cost maybe $100 give or take but they are currently selling on eBay for somewhat less.

Nevertheless it is a sleeper and well regarded by those who know of it. I went out of my way to buy this version and do not regret it.
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Is this a good price?

$120 shipped

Excellent++ Nikon AF Nikkor 24-120mm F/3.5-5.6 D.

It supposedly is not good optically, I just read online.
But if not good optically, what good is it?
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I was at first unaware of the lack of quality, Rob. This is why I want to follow people's advices here in this thread.
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Raid I would not buy it based on what I have read no matter what the price. It seems universally regarded as a mediocre performer. Bear in mind I do not own one though and am basing this only on reports.

A later 24-120mm f4 however is well regarded though being later, recognised as better, still in production (I think) and having VR it is much dearer.

The later version:

https://photographylife.com/reviews/...4-120mm-f4g-vr

If you want a good inexpensive zoom for your D700 and are not drawn to the 35-70mm AF f2.8 I mentioned earlier, may I suggest you consider the 35-105mm f3.5- 4.5 AF D. In this case it is important to buy the D version lens which is significantly better than the earlier AF ones and is also widely reported to have an aspherical element though I have not seen an optical diagram. It is also very small by comparison to many other Nikon zooms of the time. You may not like Ken Rockwell as a reviewer (many people do not) but the images in his review show what it can do.

https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/35-105mm-afd.htm

This lens did not much take off in the market at the time I think due to the mediocre rep of some earlier versions, the competition from other lenses in the Nikon range and the fact that technology change caused the D lenses with mechanical AF drive to become a little redundant around this time. Due to these factors it is cheap to buy if you can find one. I think mine cost maybe $100 give or take but they are currently selling on eBay for somewhat less.

Nevertheless it is a sleeper and well regarded by those who know of it. I went out of my way to buy this version and do not regret it.
I agree with your points, Peter. I don't want any inferior lens at all. I will summarize what has been suggested here to me. Thanks. The 24-120 range sounds very good to me. It covers most situations I could encounter.
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I was just curious if that was the one Raid had, Peter. I'd never want to use it on a digital body, for all those reasons.

My recollection of this lens is that it was dependent upon the specific shape of the interior of the Nikon F near the shutter gate to lock into place correctly and securely; it was unusable on any other body, even later F series models with mirror lock up.

My favorite lens on all other Nikon bodies, in this focal length range, was the Nikkor 20mm f/3.5 AI-S with the 52mm front ring. The later f/2.8 version was supposed to be a better performer, but this older model lens had a rendering look that I never found in any of the later 20mm lenses, and that I found particularly appealing. It worked well with FourThirds and APS-C digital adaptations, but I had sold it before I had a Nikon FF body to test it on.

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As to the 21mm lens for mirror lock up. I suspect it's also a good thing this does not work on the D700.

Lenses like this are of the sort that place the rear element very close to the film / sensor - it is for this reason of course that the mirror must be locked up and an external finder used. On a film camera this does not matter due to the way film accepts incoming light but as we know on a digital sensor the light needs to be approaching the sensor from a less oblique angle.

My guess is that if you could get it working you might well expect to find that the images would not be very good - with blurring and unpleasant color fringing in some parts of the images - those affected by the outer edges of the lens where the light is most oblique to the sensor plane.

So Raid is not missing much.
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I was just curious if that was the one Raid had, Peter. I'd never want to use it on a digital body, for all those reasons.

My recollection of this lens is that it was dependent upon the specific shape of the interior of the Nikon F near the shutter gate to lock into place correctly and securely; it was unusable on any other body, even later F series models with mirror lock up.

My favorite lens on all other Nikon bodies, in this focal length range, was the Nikkor 20mm f/3.5 AI-S with the 52mm front ring. The later f/2.8 version was supposed to be a better performer, but this older model lens had a rendering look that I never found in any of the later 20mm lenses, and that I found particularly appealing. It worked well with FourThirds and APS-C digital adaptations, but I had sold it before I had a Nikon FF body to test it on.

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Raid seems to have indicated in a subsequent post that it is the "lock up" one.

And I agree about the 20mm f3.5. I nearly got one at a good price a while back but someone beat me to the punch. Since then I have made do with an early 24mm f2.8 which for me is just as good as I mainly shoot longer focal lengths.
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