M7 Discontinued after 15 years
Old 05-25-2018   #1
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M7 Discontinued after 15 years

Read em and weep...

https://leicarumors.com/2018/05/24/t...ontinued.aspx/
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Old 05-25-2018   #2
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Eh no biggie. Fuji sold six million Instax cameras last year...
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Old 05-25-2018   #3
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I have to think there is much more demand for the MP than the M7. Much being a relative term here...

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Old 05-25-2018   #4
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Eh no biggie. Fuji sold six million Instax cameras last year...
It is not about Sofort here, but M7.
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Old 05-25-2018   #5
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It is not about Sofort here, but M7.

I know; I'm being at least partly sarcastic.
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It is not about Sofort here, but M7.
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Old 05-25-2018   #7
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All that recent talk on this forum about its shutter being unreliable made them bite the biscuit on that model.
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I guess they dont spend enough time on the interweb so they didn’t hear about the great “film renaissance” that is, I keep hearing, sweeping the globe. Nor did Fuji.
And where’s that Ektachrome anyway?
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Old 05-25-2018   #9
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I had one of these about ten years ago. Put a lot of Kodachrome through it before that film was discontinued too. Nice camera, but I've always preferred cameras with mechanical shutters.
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Old 05-25-2018   #10
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Fifteen years is a good run for any camera.
Yeah, there is a film renaissance. Film sales notched up from .8% of what they used to be in the early/mid 90's to 1.25% of their sales peak.


Warning; these stats were made up on the spot, but you folks probably already knew that.
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I guess they dont spend enough time on the interweb so they didn’t hear about the great “film renaissance” that is, I keep hearing, sweeping the globe. Nor did Fuji.
And where’s that Ektachrome anyway?
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I still love my M7 :-)
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I always liked the idea of an AE Leica, but the M7 was always preceded by rumors and whispers about problems and hiccups. And then Leica shot it down by issuing the MP. That wasn't a good idea.

Now... I wonder how long it will be before we hear about the MP being discontinued too.
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Old 05-25-2018   #15
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So now that it's an orphan how long will parts and repairs be supported?

I had one years ago and really liked it.
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Old 05-25-2018   #16
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My M7 was my first Leica, and I'll never part with it. I've had other M bodies since then, and they are all pleasant, capable cameras, but the M7 became my baseline for how a Leica should feel.
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Fifteen years is a good run for any camera.
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Old 05-25-2018   #18
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Eh no biggie. Fuji sold six million Instax cameras last year...
Even more important, Americans bought over $1.5 million orders of avocado toast last year.
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Old 05-25-2018   #19
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It is unfortunate news, I should have bought one earlier to avoid the inevitable skyrocketing used prices!
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It is unfortunate news, I should have bought one earlier to avoid the inevitable skyrocketing used prices!
By this time next year they should be right back where they are now. Likely though will be a large influx of NIB models on eBay. Ha! Right.


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My M7 has a late serial number. I use my M7 extensively and I don’t experience the issues that are hyped up on the internet. It’s really a great camera to me.
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Sigh.

I've had M7 since 2011 and quickly ditched my M6.
FOr me, it's been ndearly perfect and I hope they make a lot of spare parts for it.
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A real shame..... My favorite Leica film M..

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I love my M7. I think it's the best film M next to the M5. But let's be honest here, the avg M buyer wants the pure mechanical experience, even if they can't take a decent pic with it. There's a romanticism there. The clue is the moment you roll your brand new $5K M7 off the show room floor, it's worth maybe $200 more than a Leica M6TTL on the used market.
The M-P and M-A are worth at least $1000 more. That indicates the demand for the camera.
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I had one in 2005 and sold it to buy an M8. I liked it ok, but found that I never used the AE. The M6 was good enough for me. Sad to see another classic go, though.
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Even more important, Americans bought over $1.5 million orders of avocado toast last year.
That's actually surprisingly low. At $10 a pop, that's only 0.046% of the population having it once last year (0.15m servings over 325m population). I'd assume those that have it have it semi regularly, say average 5 times/year, then we have only 0.009% of the population consuming avocado on toast, or a miserly 30,000 people.

I'm not surprised the M7 is officially dead, I suspect it's been many years since a production batch was produced.
The MP will not be far off, I predict within 2 years.
The M-A will get one more production batch that will sell over the next 10 years and then that will be that, no more (new) film Leica's for sale. Hopefully they issue it in black paint.
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Lately I've used my M7 more than my MP. It took a while to bond with it, but that finally happened. I'm sorry to see it discontinued. I'll hang onto mine!
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It's hardly the end of the world. I can still get my IIIc fixed 70 years after it was discontinued.
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It's hardly the end of the world. I can still get my IIIc fixed 70 years after it was discontinued.
The IIIc doesn’t have a circuit board though.
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I have to think there is much more demand for the MP than the M7. Much being a relative term here...

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Last Photokina (biggest photo fair in the world) Leica said that they produce about 1,000 units of Leica film M models (M-A, MP and M7 together) a year.
The biggest demand is for the M-A. Followed by the MP. And the lowest demand has the M7.


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The IIIc doesn’t have a circuit board though.
True enough, although Sherry just replaced the circuit board in my friend’s M5.
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...But let's be honest here, the avg M buyer wants the pure mechanical experience, even if they can't take a decent pic with it...
Ain't that the truth!

Back in 2011 I ordered a M7 ala carte and immediately had to send it back for something. Went back a second time, and finally a third. I guess after the third visit to Leica they finally fixed it ( new owner loves the camera ) but the damage was done to my trust. And it wasn't the electronics either if you're curious to know.

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Back in 2011 I ordered a M7 ala carte
Mine is in silver but otherwise the same....just a little bit younger than yours. No issues with the camera so far.
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I never had any issues with my M7, other than a nagging feeling in the back of my mind that it could fail at any time. This was after a rather bad experience with a Contax G2 (great camera, until the electronics went haywire). The M7 worked flawlessly, but still...

Funnily, after I sold it, I bought a MP, which required repair twice in one year for minor mechanical annoyances. So much for “mechanical perfection”.

I hear the M-A has its issues, too.

I think the film camera days of Leica are soon ending.
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i'd like to see Leica replace the M7 with a more economical model. say, $2250 new, and quite a bit more utilitarian than the MP and M-A. no fancy engravings, no frame preview, no leicavit gearing, no meter/electronics. just a no frills, get it done film camera.
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i'd like to see Leica replace the M7 with a more economical model. say, $2250 new, and quite a bit more utilitarian than the MP and M-A. no fancy engravings, no frame preview, no leicavit gearing, no meter/electronics. just a no frills, get it done film camera.
Isn't that virtually the MA?

The cameras are not expensive because of their features. They are expensive because of a limited market and Leica's consequential move to position them as a Veblen good.

However, it is depressing that Leica will frequently produce small runs of "celebrity" cameras, yet in 16 years of production they have not invested the (relatively minor) engineering needed to update the M7 design to use currently available parts.

Leica's priority is clearly to produce cameras for collectors, not cameras for photographers.
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i'd like to see Leica replace the M7 with a more economical model. say, $2250 new, and quite a bit more utilitarian than the MP and M-A. no fancy engravings, no frame preview, no leicavit gearing, no meter/electronics. just a no frills, get it done film camera.
I don't think removing the frame selector and engraving is going is going to shave 2K off an M-A. I think it actually cost more to order a Leica without the engraving in the a la carte program. And it would be out of character for Leica to go down market. There is also pretty good supply of M4s on the market. Add a CLA and you are in business for even less.
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