Adox CMS 20 II
Old 12-23-2015   #1
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Adox CMS 20 II

I'm going to try a roll of this film, any recommendations with regards to shooting and developing?

Can I process this in DD-X, and if so, does anyone have recommendation regarding time?
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Old 12-23-2015   #2
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Only used it in the Adox specified developer. From the results in contrasty lighting, I don't think I would use anything else, i.e. even this developer can only just cope with this film.
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Old 12-23-2015   #3
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Darn. Going into Terra Incognita then. How exciting.
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Old 12-23-2015   #4
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Here is an article on developing CMS 20 with HC-110 stand development:

http://www.theonlinedarkroom.com/201...-in-hc110.html

I tried it once, results were pretty good but I got some bromide drag. Haven't had time to try it again.
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Old 12-23-2015   #5
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Thanks for the link!
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Old 12-23-2015   #6
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I understand that it develops well in Diafine. http://davidshootsfilm.com/2012/11/0...-in-adotech-i/

I haven't tested this yet but will certainly do so soon.

If you plan on using Adotech II then I recommend shooting at EI12. If you are going to try Diafine then I would start at EI25 since a lot of films do better in Diafine if they are underexposed about a stop. Just some starting points.
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Old 12-25-2015   #7
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i just shot and developed some of this film. used to adotech 2 developer and was shocked by how good the negs looked. i read, from people who know what they are talking about, to only use the adotech 2 developer with this film. I could not be happier with the results. followed the instructions that came with the developer and shot at EI of 16 developed in 300ml for 13 min.
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Old 12-28-2015   #8
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I did some experimenting this afternoon. One roll, heavily bracketed.

Developing this film was a colourful adventure. The pre-rinse looked like the Grinch had been sick in my sink. The post-wash went through the spectrum from beet over strawberry to salmon. The negatives have the most crystal-clear base I've yet come across.

The roll should be dry in about an hour. I think I have at least a few usable shots despite using the "wrong" developer and guesstimating dev times.
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Old 12-28-2015   #9
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DD-X 1:9 for 8.5 minutes.





Lessons learned: this film does not forgive metering mistakes. Probably need to go to 1:4. Negatives themselves are gorgeous in terms of detail.
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Old 12-28-2015   #10
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I managed to get decent results in Rodinal 1+300 12 mins and minimum agitation... But only with exposures spot on.
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Old 12-28-2015   #11
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good stuff guys. Thanks for the examples. I am not paying $25 to develop a couple rolls of film when I could just move to 6x7 film.
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Old 12-29-2015   #12
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I managed to get decent results in Rodinal 1+300 12 mins and minimum agitation... But only with exposures spot on.
Very interesting. How about bromide drags?
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Old 12-30-2015   #13
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Not bad for a shot in a dark street. I think this was a 30s exposure. Sorry about the jaunty angle.

I decided to give stand development a try. DD-X 1:29 for two hours with one inversion every 30 minutes. It's not quite there yet, but since I wasn't expecting to get useable negatives, I'm pretty happy with this result.
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Old 01-01-2016   #14
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I collected some references in search of an alternative to Adotech II. But due to work load I haven't been able to test it (yet). PM me your email address if you're interested.

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Developing this film was a colourful adventure. The pre-rinse looked like the Grinch had been sick in my sink. The post-wash went through the spectrum from beet over strawberry to salmon.
So if you don't end up liking the film you can start a career writing food and cooking articles.
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any advice when taking this film to a lab for developing?

it is better to suggest developers, times, etc?
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Old 09-13-2016   #17
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I exposed first roll at ISO 50 by accident (my intention was to use it at ISO 12)
Since I have no experience developing and found a very good B&W lab locally,
I decided to buy a small 8€ Adotech III bottle for them to process it.
Most of the shots survived gracefully, they did a great job.

I will expose next rolls at ISO 6 and 12 and ask them to use Adotech III again.
Then I might adventure to develop one at home in Caffenol


55 Jupiter-8 @5.6 on "ADOX CMS 20 II" shot at ISO 50. CLE :

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Old 09-13-2016   #18
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I love this film and will try it with other developers. But I do have to say, Adotech II worked very well and I hear that Adotech III is even better.

The price of developing, etc. is a personal decision and most will have to decide what cost level they are comfortable with. TriX still sells for around $5 per roll and a bag of D-76 to mix up a gallon of developer is only $7 then additional costs for other film types may be hard to justify.
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Just got in some of this in with the adotech 3. Will likely be a few weeks before I get to play with it, but looking forward to it.
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Old 09-14-2016   #20
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I have 500 sheets of this stuff in 6x9cm cut film.
So I'm very interested in posted results.
Keep them coming!
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Old 09-14-2016   #21
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Seriously, CMS 20 is designed to be developed in the Adotech developer.

Sure, you'll get negatives in other developers, but if you want the most out of this film (remember, it's almost a microfilm), Adotech is the correct way.
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Old 03-24-2017   #22
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I have just develped 4 rolls of CMS 20 II in Adotech, now scanning... Boy oh boy - I love this film...
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Old 03-28-2017   #23
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Come on valdas, enough suspense! How about sharing those scans!?!
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It works really well with Diafine and the contrast seems to be better controlled than examples I see online. I have no interest in trying adotech. I scan using my DSLR and focus on the film grain. With this film in 120mm I have a hard time finding any grain. Something I can do even with Ilford PanF+. Great film
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Old 03-30-2017   #25
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With Adox developer a great film.
Very sensitive to scratches, so be gentle. Contrasty but also with high resolving power. You can see a few examples in my flickr stream, search for Adox, pictures are tagged.

E. LEITZ WETZLAR [surface study] by István Pénzes, on Flickr

I love it for general photography to!

discovering by István Pénzes, on Flickr

Scanning can be an issue, due to the thin layer. Dust was in my case always an issue. Follow the instructions for fixing it!

I used it a few time @ ISO 12, or 16, giving also quite good results, when gently developed.
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