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Old 03-21-2017   #81
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This looks like it could be a potential show stopper flying from Australasia into the UK as all the flights go through Dubai these days. I think? I saw Emirates on a list but Qantas not? - since they codeshare the flights (and aircraft) it can get extra confusing.

I don't doubt there's a good reason to go to all this trouble and I gave up on political discussion some time ago.

I wouldn't fancy trying to explain a medium format film camera is not a battery powered device on the spot going through security and no way am I going to put something like a Hasselblad or a Leica in my checked luggage.

Portuguese baggage handlers stole my disposable panoramic 35mm camera from my honeymoon baggage 15+ years ago, so I feel the bar is set low for luggage camera theft.
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For the U.S. It's not the airline, it's the airport. Any airline flying out of an affected airport is subject to the new rule.

I don't believe there are any U.S.-domiciled airlines offering direct non-stop service to the U.S. from the affected airports.
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Old 03-21-2017   #83
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Last year passing through Tel Aviv, I recall screening looking baffled when some hipster turned up with a mechanical typewriter.
With this news, I have a vision of business class full of laptop deprived executives clacking away on the vintage Olivetti portables

A Hasselblad 500 in three pieces is a lens, a film holder and a nice empty box with a flapping mirror.
Probably easier with that than trying to explain a Leica M2 is not an electronic device.
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That's only because they have yet to discover electricity.
Franklin did that for us a while back.


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Thinking out loud....Jennifer Aniston is now screwed.
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Is this an attempt to drive up iPhone sales?
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And good luck explaining what a mechanical film camera is. I recently travelled through half a dozen airports in India with my Canon F-1 and asked for my 35mm film to be hand checked instead of going through the x-ray. Given most of the security staff seemed to be under 30 years old, none had any idea what the hell I was holding! One guy had to call over the much older supervisor can could not believe what this "film" thing was when explained to him. And the camera itself got routinely eyeballed after going through the x-ray, I guess because it has so much metal compared to a DSLR. May the joy continue.
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It's called Security Theatre. Some way had to be found to provide McJobs to all the people made redundant by technology and automation, while at the same time convincing the travelling public that Something Is Being Done. A win-win for the security bureaucracy and politicians. Every few months new things can be added to the list to give the impression of progress.

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As much as I do not like what is going on in D.C., this makes sense though. If it were up to me, I would allow passengers to fly w/ only what they had on, and send their stuff on ahead on a separate unmanned flight. In the end, it would save a fortune because a lot of security people could be let go of, and put a full stop to bombs on planes. As soon as passengers entered the airports, they would hand off all their luggage and possessions to specified people, walk through a metal detector, and they could catch up to their stuff once they landed. This would simplify everything.
Much safer to require all flights to be nude and contract out all passenger luggage to DHL. Problem solved!
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Cameras are explicitly called for out as not allowed -

See:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/03/21/...rture-airports
Thanks for the link - While no one yet knows the full intel behind this draconian restriction - I just want remind everyone that the EgyptAir flight that blew up over the Mediterranean departed from a European airport, rather than Cairo or Dubai.

"These enhanced security measures will only affect flights from 10 of the more than 250 airports that serve as last points of departure to the United States." - but what's to stop a terrorist from boarding a flight at one of the other 240 airports, thar are not on the list?

For the past several years I've taken the precaution of FedEx my film in lead-lined containers to either my hotel or a residence when I fly. Now, it looks like I won't be bringing the camera along, since there is nothing secure about placing valuables in your checked luggage.
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Delta flies out of Istanbul and are unaffected

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For the U.S. It's not the airline, it's the airport. Any airline flying out of an affected airport is subject to the new rule.

I don't believe there are any U.S.-domiciled airlines offering direct non-stop service to the U.S. from the affected airports.
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If we are looking for motivation for this ban of in cabin electronics, what about this.

Once your device is in your checked luggage and out of your sight it will allow intelligence officers to access devices of interest and gain access to data they contain...

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Old 03-22-2017   #93
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I think that's a great idea

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I wonder. as we have many travelers here, if it would be good to start a travel tips and advice thread? If kept current, it could be of value to those both driving and flying with photo and electronic gear.

I think many here travel monthly and reports of current conditions and changes would be timely and first hand info.
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I'm planning to fly in April and was thinking about taking my Rolleiflex or Leica with me (and a lot of film). Under the present climate is that stupid? Will the Rolleiflex survive in a pelican case as checked luggage? Provided it doesn't get stolen of course
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I'm planning to fly in April and was thinking about taking my Rolleiflex or Leica with me (and a lot of film). Under the present climate is that stupid? Will the Rolleiflex survive in a pelican case as checked luggage? Provided it doesn't get stolen of course
Not if a laptop bomb explodes next to it
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Delta flies out of Istanbul and are unaffected

A Delta-badged plane? Not a codeshare flight. And direct nonstop to U.S. No hops.
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Thanks PKR. That's an angle I didn't think about

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And anyone else think that this will not be an opportunity for 'them' to make a copy of your hard drive while it is out of your sight? Or upload snooping software?
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Once your device is in your checked luggage and out of your sight it will allow intelligence officers to access devices of interest and gain access to data they contain...

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Now that this measure has been in place for a while, reports are surfacing. On a dedicated flying forum passengers have inidicated that they are packing camera bodies in check-in, and have been allowed to carry on their much more valuable lenses, though guidance on it is not altogether clear.

What's been the experience of members here, if any?
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We don`t like the rules, but what would the correct response be to small powerful explosives such as underwear bomber, shoe bomber, and putting explosives inside printer ink cartridges?

Latest is scorpions in overhead bins and inside coat sleeves. They don`t crawl there, they are put there. By whom remains to be discovered.

Then we have brawls and overbooking and mistreatment by crew. Time to rethink how we travel.
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Ronald M's conspiracy theory's are something else, lol.
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Here are the cities...

The ban was revealed on Monday in statements from Royal Jordanian Airlines and the official news agency of Saudi Arabia. It will apply to non-stop flights to the US from 10 international airports serving the cities of Cairo in Egypt; Amman in Jordan; Kuwait City in Kuwait; Casablanca in Morocco; Doha in Qatar; Riyadh and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia; Istanbul in Turkey; and Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, according to a US official.

If you're not traveling to these places you'll be okay...lets not get all Chicken Little about this...
In order to fly pretty much anywhere in East Africa or the Middle East you need to go through one of the airports mentioned.
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The Democratic State in ME has has since long overcome that little problem, take a snap of the Celing in the Customs to proof that it is not a Bo-b.
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Ha! Does anyone really think TSA or airline/airport security will actually believe a film camera is not an electronic device - particularly if it has an exposure meter with a switch, e.g. Olympus OM, or a digital readout in the viewfinder? I'm not certain people in those jobs would understand the concept of a mechanical camera, or "film"!
I still remember I was told "no electronic devices during take off or landing" when holding my Olympus Trip. I tried to explain "it does not have even a battery" - "genereation Z" young lady sitting next to me got it, but not the flight attendant...
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There is talk of extending the ban on electronic devices to countries beyond the middle east. A major concern, however, is what to do about the lithium-ion batteries which will now be stowed in the hold.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN1862QS
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On the flip side, I totally agree with TSA on this one...

Just got this article on my phone:
https://petapixel.com/2017/05/13/tsa...much-like-gun/


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Alternatively:

A: Go somewhere else

and/or

B: Don't go back...

It's worked for me since 2006, the last time I was in the USA.

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Of course this new safety regulation has experts say it makes things far less safe for us:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/23/lapto...old-trump.html
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Of course this new safety regulation has experts say it makes things far less safe for us:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/23/lapto...old-trump.html

Yes but of course it is all about appearances, not facts. I worked in the field of deregulation within government and found that trying to prevent new regulations and remove existing ones is like pushing a very large rock uphill. Every time something occurs - an accident or act of violence (it does not matter) it provides an opportunity for a politician to undertake an act of self aggrandizement and hyping the event for votes. They will invariably do so by passing a new regulation to show they have "fixed" the problem. So the politician gets votes and of course the public sector loves this too - more regulation means more regulators, more staff, bigger organisations, bigger budgets and bigger government. And bigger careers. Besides they know nothing else. As the old adage goes - "Give a man a hammer and every problem suddenly looks like a nail".
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That was my thoughts as well Lynn ... they won't have the ability to distinguish between a camera that is mechanical over one that is electronic.
Nor will they trust your word. They have a book, it's called a Manual. It is everything......
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The terrorists are succeeding. Bleeding everyone a little bit at a time. Of course their success must be assured so someone can keep making money off of security. Glad I'll be dead sooner rather than later because all of these games are ridiculous.
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The terrorists are succeeding. Bleeding everyone a little bit at a time. Of course their success must be assured so someone can keep making money off of security. Glad I'll be dead sooner rather than later because all of these games are ridiculous.
Trouble is, a lot of the 'good' guys like throwing their weight about and having a good excuse to ban or control everything (except guns, of course). I reckon they need each other; I just wish they wouldn't drag us into their fights...

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So, how does that work??
I already checked my luggage, I pass the security, and there, the lady tells me that my water bottle, the scissors my kid forgot in her bag, and my 10k$ of leica gear go to the garbage bin??
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so from now on we have to check in the bombs hidden inside our cameras and use our handphones on board to trigger them?
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There have been news recently that other destinations also will be affected, not only the middle east...
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so from now on we have to check in the bombs hidden inside our cameras and use our handphones on board to trigger them?
And don't forget the hi-vis top with "TERRORIST" written on it and the target drawn over the heart.

Actually, it's not about terrorism but is part of the war on tourism...

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So, how does that work??
I already checked my luggage, I pass the security, and there, the lady tells me that my water bottle, the scissors my kid forgot in her bag, and my 10k$ of leica gear go to the garbage bin??
Even now small things like pocket knives may be mailed to yourself from security, and "excess" carry-ons may be checked in at the gate... Gate-checking may be getting more common as the airlines run into limits on overhead bin storage.
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Jet Blue just had a lap top fire on one of their flights.
Luckily the crew was able to put it out as it was in the cabin.
If it was in the cargo hold....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/31/us/jetblue-flight-fire/
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One year ago the battery of my very old notebook (10 years at that time) all of a sudden heated extremely up after I connected it to the AC power and the charging process started. Removing the battery immediately prevented any possible disaster (luckily at home and not on board of any airplane).

Lithium batteries should not go into the cargo hold of airplanes, IMO.

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Jet Blue just had a lap top fire on one of their flights.
Luckily the crew was able to put it out as it was in the cabin.
If it was in the cargo hold....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/31/us/jetblue-flight-fire/
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Jet Blue just had a lap top fire on one of their flights.
Luckily the crew was able to put it out as it was in the cabin.
If it was in the cargo hold....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/31/us/jetblue-flight-fire/

It wasn't a laptop. The picture shown in the article is a battery charger for e-cigarettes.
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