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Old 04-27-2014   #1
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Should Film Just Shoot Its Self ...

... so we don't have to put up with this interminable speculation? year after year after year
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Life makes more sense when you can just pay more for your digital camera than the other guy paid for his and be content that at least your pictures don't suck, right?
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I thought you meant photography without cameras or photographers. The old european traffic cameras had bulk loading Robot cameras inside, which undoubtedly burned through a lot of film without intervention...
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I was in a camera shop the other day, an old-school place that now deals almost exclusively in digital. Oddly, I went there to try out a Fuji ex-1, but they did not have one. So I bought a roll of TMax 100. I would've bought more but not at $9 a roll when I can get it online for $5.

Anyway, the manager said that he's amazed at how much film, especially black and white, they still sell--tons, were his words--and figures it's not going away anytime soon.

Slide film? Another 2-3 years, tops. But C41 and b&w aren't leaving us anytime soon.
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Thinking of buying an M2 now and having the same issue, as I don't have much money. But then I thought, if I spend the same money (including what I would spend on film and chemicals) on a decent Canon DSLR, that'd be worthless in 10 years too anyway
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The only way to free yourself of the interminable speculation is to avoid internet forums about it.
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Thinking of buying an M2 now and having the same issue, as I don't have much money. But then I thought, if I spend the same money (including what I would spend on film and chemicals) on a decent Canon DSLR, that'd be worthless in 10 years too anyway
they have the same ups and downs - get one a few years old missing some of the bells and whistles, and you're good to go for cheap. Try for a 50D - they are incredibly underrated.
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they have the same ups and downs - get one a few years old missing some of the bells and whistles, and you're good to go for cheap. Try for a 50D - they are incredibly underrated.
... I'm sure that's the case, but why go out of your way to tell film users this? ... repeatedly
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It's reminiscent of the "can chess computers ever beat [the best of] man" interminable speculation year after year after year.. What a relief when they finally did. Human players could again return to playing chess against each other, sometimes brilliantly, oftentimes not so brilliant, but always with an interesting twist or blunder somewhere..
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It's reminiscent of the "can chess computers ever beat [the best of] man" interminable speculation year after year after year.. What a relief when they finally did. Human players could again return to playing chess against each other, sometimes brilliantly, oftentimes not so brilliant, but always with an interesting twist or blunder somewhere..
... when a computer invents a game as compulsive as chess I'll start to worry
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Its not only film. Its this doomsday thing. Look around. Some folks just are very ... mm.. easily aroused by these doomsday fanatics. People get pulled into these stories quite fast.

One day its the earth ending. Then its film. Then its the climate. Then its clean water and so on...
I am not saying that those things are not true, but simply overthinking it will simply make it worse. Just go out, live your only life that you have and do the things that you want and still can (e.g. shoot film). I see no conundrum.
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Did anyone ever make a stills camera that shoots onto DV or VHS tapes? Serious question.
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I have started truly enjoying photography after stopping thinking of everything else than taking photos with whatever in hand. I use whatever camera I have with whatever film I have or can come by.
Sometimes I get lazy and pick up my digital Nikon, but it does not really matter. Either way I have fun with it no matter what others people say.
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... so we don't have to put up with this interminable speculation? year after year after year

I don't mind the discussions and speculation at all personally.

There's new members joining this forum and exiting constantly ... so the fact that we've heard it all before is our problem!

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There's new members joining this forum and exiting constantly ... so the fact that we've heard it all before is our problem!

I agree.
We tend to lose sight of the fact of just how unrepresentative our little corner of photography is with its fixation on Rangefinders ,form factor , film and old film cameras.

I never see any of this stuff out on the streets or discussed within other photography groups.

I`m happy with that but it does suggest that to any new members this may require some explanation.
Hence the repeat questions and speculation.
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... ah ... reeducation, that explains it
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Did anyone ever make a stills camera that shoots onto DV or VHS tapes? Serious question.
Can't answer that one, but there were still (analog) video cameras that recorded onto miniature floppy disks. You had to use a video capture card to get a digital version of the image, or use the stills like video.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still_video_camera

My ex-father-in-law had one like the one pictured at the top.
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Thinking of buying an M2 now and having the same issue, as I don't have much money. But then I thought, if I spend the same money (including what I would spend on film and chemicals) on a decent Canon DSLR, that'd be worthless in 10 years too anyway
Ten years! You are kidding right..
next week a newer model..
That is main reason, i have stayed with point and shoots..
I use them till they are not working..
Oh! My original 1st purchase, 2005, Pentax Optio is still working.
Truth tell except for a street sale Kodak Easyshare $5,
both have the best color and skin tones..
Last week i bought 100' Kentmere 400.
Film will here for a longtime..
Find the best price..
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The world seems to have a smattering of people who are so convinced of their perception of the world and "how things should be" that they feel obliged to try to evangelise and educate the rest of us toward their way of thinking. A bit like the religious zealots who congregate around railway station exits, handing out some torpor-inducing propaganda....

Being a reasonable person, rather than beat them repeatedly with a Hasselblad 500c/m, I usually just tell them to bugger off back to their own little world and stop bothering the rest of us.

PS - I would hate to think that anyone might perceive me to be in any way anti-digital. I am not. I own a Fuji XPro-1 and a Nikon D800 and enjoy using them both immensely. However, I really don't subscribe to the belief that only one medium or the other has the right to exist.
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It's dead. It's not dead. It's dying. It isn't dying. It's making a comeback. It isn't making a comeback. It's alive and well. It isn't alive and well.
Did I leave anything out?
Debate, argue discuss all you like.
I have tons of frozen slide film and places to get it developed, so this silly business doesn't concern me even a little bit.
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Err... except I have a suspicion that this post may have been triggered by a contemporaneous post about film dying a second death or some such nonsense that was posted by someone with something like 800 posts...
Drat ...another theory blown out of the water
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... Slide film? Another 2-3 years, tops. ...
Sure, it will disappear sometime, but I'd bet the over on that one. However, it doesn't matter much, as I agree with the premise of the thread that the rampant speculation adds little value to the discussion. I'll shoot film when I feel like it until it disappears, and after that point I'll find something else to do (shooting digitally or not shooting at all).
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I'm off out with my camera. Please will someone let me know if film's dead when I get back?
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... I'm sure that's the case, but why go out of your way to tell film users this? ... repeatedly
Some of those who gave up on film and went only digital would like to declare their personal thing as something bigger

We (as family) gave on film in 2007 with replacing of SLR with advanced digital P&S. What was for consumer film with terrible scans and terrible prints at local Walmart (which I'm very thankful to keep their lab after this until the moment I came back to film, personally and with my own scanner).

In 2012 I started my own DIY b/w film journey for one simple reason, b/w digital was not alive and isn't alive yet. It might becomes as live as b/w film at some point in terms of digital representation, but last year I started to wet print and it is much more results pleasing fun, comparing to boring and cumbersome printing from comps.

Wet printing is the art on itself.
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Can't answer that one, but there were still (analog) video cameras that recorded onto miniature floppy disks. You had to use a video capture card to get a digital version of the image, or use the stills like video.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still_video_camera

My ex-father-in-law had one like the one pictured at the top.
Oh interesting. Thanks! Seems there are some people on flickr still using them from time to time.
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I can’t even be bothered to respond to all this utter nonsense about film being a dead medium.

Bugger. I just have.
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All film is dead until you shoot it. (pun intended) It's the light that gives it life.
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However, I really don't subscribe to the belief that only one medium or the other has the right to exist.
Pretty much sums it up.
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All film is dead until you shoot it. (pun intended) It's the light that gives it life.
... so, you shot it and it lived? would that constitute a bad shot do you think?
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... so, you shot it and it lived? would that constitute a bad shot do you think?
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I thought film shooters were the Rebel Alliance and it turns out we're the bad guys. It's like Apple all over again.
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