Neopan 400 dead, Provia 400X too
Old 07-19-2013   #1
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Neopan 400 dead, Provia 400X too

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...8&l=e62770d254

Replacement is Acros 100 (seriously)
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Old 07-19-2013   #2
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Old 07-19-2013   #3
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100 as a reoplacement for 400 ... kidding?
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Old 07-19-2013   #4
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The replacement for Neopan 400 is Tri-X, but Fuji can't say that, lol.
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Old 07-19-2013   #5
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I guess I'm not so surprised. I buy a lot of film here in Tokyo, and many (most?) Japanese who shoot 400 speed black-and-white film use Tri-X, so Presto doesn't do well even in the Japanese market. Occasionally Trix even sells out, the last time Kodak was announcing it's financial problems, hoarders quickly emptied store inventories of Kodak film. Of course, the same will probably happen with Fuji now.
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Old 07-19-2013   #6
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Provia 400X...terrific emulsion. But who could afford it in 35mm?
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Old 07-19-2013   #7
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wow what a stroke of luck, I ordered 30 rolls not long ago !
Sad news still
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Old 07-19-2013   #9
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wow that's too bad. I just shot a bunch of Provia 100F on my recent trip out west...my favorite slide film after Ektachrome went belly up a few years ago.
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Old 07-19-2013   #10
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I'm a Neopan lover but I knew this was coming and silently stocked up months ago. Still doesn't take away the burn though.
+1

Just pulled all my film out of the fridge and did a stocktake > about 250 rolls, most of it Neopan 400. Still not enough. I think I'll drop by Yodobashi Camera later today...
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Old 07-19-2013   #11
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kentmere 400 has become my base 400 BW film.
Tri-x and HP5 are my "luxury" 400 film.
hmmm...

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Old 07-19-2013   #12
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For those who read Japanese, below is the email I got from Fujifilm on April 9th, 2013 regarding Neopan 400 (actually the follow up reply after I responded asking why they didn't update Neopan 400's packaging). The bit in bold says:

"We have announced Neopan 400's discontinuation overseas and stopped selling 24 shot rolls in Japan, but will continue to sell (and manufacture) 36 shot rolls in Japan".

I think that means it'll be available here for a little longer than elsewhere. But I'm gonna stock up anyway.

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ご丁寧にご連絡をいただきましてありがとうございます。

フィルムパッケージのリニューアルの件ですが、鋭いご指摘ですね。
400PRESTOのパッケージをなぜリニューアルしないの、というこ
とでしたが、海外では生産中止の案内を出していること、また日本
国内でも24EXは販売終了しますが、36EXは継続して販売すると
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400PRESTOに関してはリニューアルをしなかったものと考えて
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400PRESTOの36EXにつきましては継続して販売(生産)の
予定ですが、皆様にお使いいただく量が日々減少している中、
生産の維持が困難になってきている状況ではありますが、当面
は継続して販売していく予定です。
よろしくお願い致します。

今後とも弊社製品をご愛顧賜りますようお願い申し上げます。

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I think both you and I went off the same feeling at the time too (might have even been from that photo you posted on flickr) and went off and dumped a bunch of $$$ into 400PR.

I understand their concerns and desires - but I absolutely despise their communication.
Yep and yep.
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This makes me nervous about Acros 100.
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One way to help Leica's digital division: eliminate the best remaining low light options for B&W and Color.

I laughed at the suggestion to replace 400x with 100. I'd love to see how that pushes to 1600....

Still, the frustration heard now will be nothing compared to the day they get around to velvia 50 and acros... Blood in the streets.
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Well if this doesn't give you 'Chicken Little' syndrome about Fuji's future commitment to film nothing will. I suppose it was always inevitable that the two largest producers of film would be the first to fall by the wayside.

I don't think Ilford will mind this at all.
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Old 07-19-2013   #16
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wow, the only reason why I find this tragic is because there aren't any 400 35mm or 120 slides other than Provia.
i only use provia 100
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Old 07-19-2013   #17
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Whoa, sad news. I was just falling in love with Neopan 400, after mostly shooting Tri-X. Too bad
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Old 07-19-2013   #18
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I'm glad I choose Tmax 400 over the Fuji stuff a few months ago when I was deciding what new 400 speed to try, and hopefully settle on...

I can't say any fuji film will be sorely missed by me, but it certainly casts another dreary note on the future of film photography.
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Old 07-19-2013   #20
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A sad day for me. Provia 400X is an amazing film, but it's been expensive for awhile and largely out of reach for me. But Provia 100F has been, by comparison, affordable, and in my opinion it was/is the best color film--all the best parts of slide film without the high contrast challenges of Velvia. Yes, Portra 160/400 are great, but neither are as beautiful as the Provias.

Damn. This sucks. I'll stock up (and spend a small fortune in the process), shoot that and whatever is left in my fridge and freezer, and after that I guess it's all b&w for me.

If I'm reading correctly, Provia 100F in 120 will remain...but obviously not for much longer if 35mm is being discontinued.

Bleh...
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Old 07-19-2013   #21
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Sad news. Neopan 400 was my favorite film. Does anyone know its history? When was it first introduced?
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Old 07-19-2013   #22
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I feel for all of you who love Neopan 400. I myself have for whatever reason always shot Kodak and Ilford 400 b&w film, but losing one's favorite emulsion is never fun. I empathize. Fortunately, while I am sure Nepoan 400 is excellent, there are still numerous other very good 400 speed b&w options.
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As much as I'll miss Neopan I have no desire to stock up on it ... I'd rather just move on to a new emulsion and forget it.
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Old 07-19-2013   #24
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where are the apologies to the op of the prior thread who got flamed for bringing us the news?
http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/s...d.php?t=134354

400X i've shot a bit of that and i really liked it sad to see it go, but it's not like i've been using it much either.
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I hope I'm still round when Tri-X bites the bullet ... that'll create some reaction worth seeing!

As good as Neopan is/was it doesn't have the history or nostalga of the Kodak film.
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I have no idea what the future of Acros is but I'm going in to hoarding mode. I'm going to start buying monthly at this point. I hope it's around for decades but this is spooking me. :/
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Just looked online and Neopan is over $6.50 in the US. I'm sure it was never that much. I've only used it a couple of times, but it had an interesting high contrast feel.
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Acros is such a boring film to me that I could never bring myself to horde it. I'd take 100ss over Acros because the latter is just too clinical to my eyes.

I had a similar opinion until I started developing it in Rodinal!
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Old 07-19-2013   #29
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As much as I'll miss Neopan I have no desire to stock up on it ... I'd rather just move on to a new emulsion and forget it.
Neopan was my favourite film. I haven't shot it in several years now because it seemed likely that Ilford would be the last man standing, so I decided to learn how to get what I want from HP5. I'm getting there, but Neopan was special.
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I had a similar opinion until I started developing it in Rodinal!
Both Neopan 400 and Acros look fantastic in Rodinal 1:50 (and Caffenol I might add). Coincidently shot my very last roll of 120 Neopan this week.
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where are the apologies to the op of the prior thread who got flamed for bringing us the news?
http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/s...d.php?t=134354

400X i've shot a bit of that and i really liked it sad to see it go, but it's not like i've been using it much either.
There will be none forthcoming from me. As I made abundantly clear at the time, my issue wasn't with the news that particular member conveyed, it was the lack of any credible reference of any sort in his advice that I had a problem with (and still have a problem with). It's undeniable that there have been previous instances of rumour-fed and incorrect advice circulating the web following the apparent "demise" of various films, in a fashion comparable only to "Chinese Whispers". All I'd ask for is that if someone in the film community has some news to share (good or bad) that they make reasonable efforts to substantiate it, before passing it on. Is that so unreasonable?

A few months ago I started a post advising members that Kodak had ceased manufacture of their own film base material. I wasn't pleased to mention it, but I had my **** together enough to include a reference to a source in Rochester for further details. I don't ask anything of anyone else I do not expect of myself. So, no, no apology at all, nothing to apologise for.
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As good as Neopan is/was it doesn't have the history or nostalga of the Kodak film.
True but the Tri-X you are burning now has nothing to do with the one used by the great photographers of the 1970's...
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I know nothing of old Tri-X, but I do like the new stuff. While I've been learning the virtues of FP4+, I'm yet to convince myself of HP5, while knowing all the while that it's what I should be learning to love. While I hope it is the very last to go, I'm pretty sure that Tri-X is not there for the long haul. I don't want that to be true, but...

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Oh, and [email protected], while I gave up on slide film a long time ago because of practicalities (and I know I therefore contributed to that which I regret) I liked Provia 400. I'm really sad to see it go. To me it was just about the perfect colour film for my G2/45Planar combination.

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It sucks but not that badly. Tri-x, tmax and hp5 pretty much cover all bases for films from 400-1600. Acros 100 is the film i REALLY hope fujifilm doesnt discontinue. Its the only film that is unique enough that theres no real replacement IMO. In rodinal it is really special.
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Sad news. Neopan 400 was my favorite film. Does anyone know its history? When was it first introduced?
I was just about to ask the same thing. Does anybody know?

But I do have to wonder; why is 400cn still around?
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I was just about to ask the same thing. Does anybody know?
According to this it appears to be around 1989 ("...is the same as that for Neopan 400, the company's recent challenge to old standby Tri-X").
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According to this it appears to be around 1989 ("...is the same as that for Neopan 400, the company's recent challenge to old standby Tri-X").

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what are the alternatives for 400 slide shooters? none now other than going 100?
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It sucks but not that badly. Tri-x, tmax and hp5 pretty much cover all bases for films from 400-1600. Acros 100 is the film i REALLY hope fujifilm doesnt discontinue. Its the only film that is unique enough that theres no real replacement IMO. In rodinal it is really special.
well, I agree with the desperate hope that Acros doesn't get discontinued. I guess I can make due with Delta 100, but Tmax... if that was the only 100 iso t-grained film left I'd sell my film cameras. none of my cameras go beyond 1/1000th so iso 100 is the most important speed for me here in Texas during the summer.

anyway despite Neopan 400 being the first b&w film I shot, and my favorite, I havent shot any in over a year because Ive been trying to find a real replacement. rather than Tri-X or HP5+, I'm just going to use Delta 400. It was the best alternative I found, anyway.
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