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Old European Cities: 25mm/50mm or 35mm?
Old 06-25-2013   #1
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Old European Cities: 25mm/50mm or 35mm?

You're traveling to old european cities - old structures, narrow alleys, cobblestone streets.

You're shooting 400 ISO B&W film with a 35mm film RF.

Which lens/lens combo would you have with you?

- ZM 25mm/2.8 and ZM 50mm/2.0

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- ZM 35/2.0 ONLY

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- CV 35/1.2 ONLY
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Old 06-25-2013   #2
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I have lived in cities, that consisted mostly of old structures, narrow alleys, cobblestone streets, mywhole life and the times in which I owned a lens, that was wider than 35mm, were definetly less frustrating than those without one.
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If you have them, take all three ZM lenses -- they're small!

You will want wide angle lenses without distortions, so Zeiss is the name of the game. A 25mm lens will sometimes be too wide (creating "strange" perspectives), but many times it will be just perfect...
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If you have them, take all three ZM lenses -- they're small!
+1. In fact, that's exactly what I'm taking to Leipzig on Thursday.
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I have found that a 50/28 combo works perfectly for me for old European cities with narrow windy streets. 28 is also my go-to focal length for interiors. I'm less comfortable w/ a 25mm focal length, but if that works for you I'd certainly take the 50/25 kit.
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Normal and wide and very wide lenses.
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Normal and wide and very wide lenses.

I found upon returning to the states from Europe not too long ago that my pictures with the 28 were so excellent IMO that it became my go to FL.
I then tried the 24 and I was enthralled! My recent venture to Boston and DC also benefitted from the 24, my new go to lens. Hope you decide
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28 and 50, the 25 is a bit wide, but it can do if necessary.

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I would say 25 and 50. 35 is good for taking pictures of big things that are out in the open without having to be too far away (like for instance a ship at a dock, or a large fountain in a town square) - 25 is better suited for getting a lot of coverage of enclosed spaces or where you have even less room to back away.

I would also take medium long lens like 100 to 135mm. At some point there is going to be something interesting that you just can't get close enough to for a 50 to do.
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Old 06-25-2013   #9
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i did tuscany with a 35mm v4 summicron and an M4, fuji superia 800. used a 50, a 21 and a 12 very very sparely. but the 21 became quite handy in some cities and situations, so i'd take the 50 for general use and the 25 for tighter cities or scenes.
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I'd just take one lens, whether the 25 or the 35. I'd go with the 35, as that's my fav. focal length.
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By day the 25/50 combo sounds great.
But by the evening, you are going to wish for the 35/1.2

Perhaps just the 35/2 is the best compromise
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I do have all 4 lenses in the poll, but would really like to make things very simple - one lens if possible. More often than not, I shoot with one lens 80% of the time when traveling -- I'm comfortable with either th 35 or 50. I don't change lenses too much. So, in this case, my go to lens would be the 35 or 50 for at least 80% of the time.

I've never been comfortable with the AOV from a 28mm, but love the AOV from a 25mm.
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Old 06-25-2013   #13
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My favorite is 28, but if you don't like it, 35 works for most everything - and you have frame-lines. This is with 35:







It's very liberating to just use 35 and long enough for portraits, too.
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my vote goes to the 35 f2, one lens, one body and enjoy the trip!

@mfogiel, I recognized Milano, piazza Sant´Alessandro in the 3rd pic. I see you took this few years ago. In the background you can see some ruins from the 2nd war world but I´m not sure they are still there now...
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When streets are tight it's nice to have wide and normal along.
Sometimes a normal is not wide enough. Other times a wide causes too much perspective distortion (sometimes just right).
I would take the 25 for it's wicked sharpness and rendering plus wide filed of view. Add the 50mm for subject separation, reach, and more natural perspective.
They give a different look outside of simply a wider FOV

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50, 35, 90 in order of frequency of use. That's what woks for me ...
One lens? 40mm.

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No need for a 1.2 lens if shooting a rangefinder camera with 400. So take the 25, the 35f2.0, and the 50. They're small enough to take all three, and you'll find that if you want one and do not have it, it's a long way home to go get it.
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No need for a 1.2 lens if shooting a rangefinder camera with 400. So take the 25, the 35f2.0, and the 50. They're small enough to take all three, and you'll find that if you want one and do not have it, it's a long way home to go get it.
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50, 35, 90 in order of frequency of use. That's what woks for me ...
One lens? 40mm.

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We have similar tastes. That's exactly the combo I'm taking to Europe for use on my Canon P this summer: Jupiter-12 35, Jupiter-8 50, and Elmar 90. Last trip I had my Rollei 35 (40 Tessar) and did just fine.
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I often need more speed with Delta 3200...
Well, everyone's different. During the recent RFF Euromeet in Prague, I used the Delta 3200 only for night shots. Interiors in the daytime worked just fine with 400 Film and the ZM 35/2 or 25/2.8...
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You're shooting 400 ISO B&W film with a 35mm film RF.
What time of the year?
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One more vote of confidence for a not too fast 35mm lens. I'm with Bob: shooting European cities with ISO 400 film means hardly any use of the very fast aperture. In my latest foray, I was shooting that film with my Summilux 35mm at f4 or f5.6 at 1/1000 (except for very sunny days, when the meter called for f8 and f11).

And 35mm is plenty wide. If a tighter or wider frame is needed, one can always use the foot zoom and walk closer or farther.
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I like to have two lenses, so that's what I voted for. However, a 35/2 would also be a carefree way to travel.
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28, 50, 90 is what I use and 90mm is not long enough for some particular shots. I think you should consider at leas one long lens, being at least 90mm.

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My standard rig for Europe has been 24, 35, and 75 now for years. Just back from there with for the first time just a small mirrorless digital camera but I nevertheless took the lenses that would provide the equivalent focal lengths: 15, 24 and 50.



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Any of the three options will work. If you want two lenses, consider a second body, too.
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Even if you decide to go one lens one body only, take the 25. Not even so much for being able to suck everything into the frame. But rather, in tight places a wide will allow to emphasize the perspective instead of squashing it flat. That way the end result will be more representative of the look and feel of these old cities..
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I would go light, and the 35/2 may work best for me. The option of using 25mm and 50mm lenses would also work well.
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I keep 25-50 zoom for this kind of use. One lens, not much larger than any of 25 or 50mm.
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I always chuckle at 'which lens(es)?' threads like this, not because they're bad but because everyone has such good reasons for their choices and suggestions. I prefer 28-50-90 but '35-and-the-hell-with-it' is sooo alluring these days. I've been there and don't envy your struggle to decide.

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There is nothing wrong with sharing opinions here. Sifting through many opinions and shared experiences may give you lots of useful information that you could use to make up your mind (or not).
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12mm ... good in really tight places






21mm ... good it tight places for the less sociable






35mm for general purpose






50mm is almost a telephoto in town





If it's a one-shot deal I'd carry a 35 and a 50 without question ... sorry for the colour, SWMBO insists on colour in the summer
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Some of my very best shots ever from European cities were taken with the 21mm on my Contax G2 or the 38mm on my Hassy Superwide. Do NOT go without some kind of really wide option. You'll regret it.
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I would probably carry 21, 28, 50, 90, and two RFs.
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I'd take just the 35mm--or the 35mm and 50mm. The 25mm would just be too wide for me personally.
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definitely take the 25. you'll need it. pair it with either the 35 or 50, whichever one you prefer.
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Having spent a good deal of time shooting in Europe the past two summers, I would say that a 21 or 25 should absolutely be in your bag. 35 might suffice, but having the option of going wider is a big plus. Last year I used a 21, 40, and 90, and got good use out of all of them. Wides are necessary there, but I will advise that it can become a crutch. You don't always need to fit everything in the frame. Some of my favorite shots were taken with the 90, in fact. Then again, in some of those tight streets, even a 50 can feel like a 90!
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Im a 50mm man, however I'd bring a 21mm instead.
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Cities (and most street, for that matter) is mostly 50mm for me. As a backup, I often bring a 28. Between those two, I am all set (even though I'm starting to like the 90 for people shots these days).
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