Black Chrome MP anyone?
Old 11-16-2012   #1
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Black Chrome MP anyone?

I'm on the hunt for a used black M6, maybe even a used M7 which would stretch my budget quite much.
What I do not like about M4-M7s is the rewind knob. I just prefer the one on my M2. Works better for me.
Also I find the old style advance lever more beautiful, the newer ones are ok too.
So since I want black, everything points towards a MP, but I do not like the shiny black paint really. Also I'm not a fan of the brass shining thru on the corners. I want black and not steam punk vintage.

Is anyone here that actually ever ordered a black chrome MP thru ALC?

(my dream would be one with M2/M3 style ergonomics, without engravings in black chrome .. only there is no way I'm putting 4.3k€ on the table for this)
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Old 11-16-2012   #2
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If you got an M6, you could swap the advance lever for an older style one, but I think you're stuck with the rewind. I guess if it really means a lot to you, you could get a user MP and have it repainted.
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If you got an M6, you could swap the advance lever for an older style one, but I think you're stuck with the rewind. I guess if it really means a lot to you, you could get a user MP and have it repainted.
thanks! well this question is rather out of curiosity.

I'm certain I can't afford a MP no matter what finish. I'll rather buy a M6+preAsph 35 Lux. Or so.
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Ive seen a few on ebay. Can't recall what they went for.
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looks cool...

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Yeh, I gotta say that I like the black chrome finish too. I may be one of the few that likes the look of worn black chrome

I have a BP MP and it is a nice camera, but sometimes I feel like I need BP lenses to match!
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If I bought an MP it would be custom black chrome. Black chrome is so brutally underrated, and black paint is so brutally overrated.
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By coincidence I e-mailed Leica last week if they can do the conversion, and yes, you just send your MP camera to them and they get back to you with a price quote. I'm also one of the few people who's not a fan of black paint finishes. I got a used silver chrome MP and once I have the funds in 2-3 years I'll ask Leica to change it to a black chrome finish.

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If I bought an MP it would be custom black chrome. Black chrome is so brutally underrated, and black paint is so brutally overrated.
I agree..... one reason (just one) I love my M8.
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I have three black chrome MP bodies. I ordered two of them myself, a .58 and a .72 both with the M7 rewind and covering and no engravings. I got the third second hand through the classifieds some three years ago or so, a .72 with MP rewind, full engravings and vulcanite.

The .58 and the second hand one are really beginning to look like I like a black chrome camera to look, the .72 I ordered is only a year and a half old, but I shoot the dickens out of it so it will catch up soon. I'll admit to preferring the black chrome over any of the other finishes. My M7 has very worn chrome- it was my main camera for several years and looks it.

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By coincidence I e-mailed Leica last week if they can do the conversion, and yes, you just send your MP camera to them and they get back to you with a price quote.
Where are you located? I've tried several times to have mods like this done to various cameras and been told it can't be done by Leica NJ. Just recently tried to get my M9 bodies redone in black chrome, now that the monochrome is like that. I think the home office is more open to this kind of thing.
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(my dream would be one with M2/M3 style ergonomics, without engravings in black chrome .. only there is no way I'm putting 4.3k€ on the table for this)
just a heads up on the topic

http://www.apertureuk.com/leica.html

]Leica MP 0.72 (A La Carte) Black Chrome, no Leica script on the plate #3009xxx Exc++ 2390£

I guess this is what you're looking for right, and slightly below 3K in eur...

I guess it won't last long... I'd call them immediately if you're interested
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just a heads up on the topic

http://www.apertureuk.com/leica.html

]Leica MP 0.72 (A La Carte) Black Chrome, no Leica script on the plate #3009xxx Exc++ 2390£

I guess this is what you're looking for right, and slightly below 3K in eur...

I guess it won't last long... I'd call them immediately if you're interested
thanks! great offer, lovely camera .. still too much for my wallet. this is also twice as much as cheapo M7s change owners around here.
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Is anyone here that actually ever ordered a black chrome MP thru ALC?
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I would never order a black chrome MP. It wouldn´t go with my black paint lenses

Seriously, I have seen several black chrome MPs in threads here. Have you looked through the "Let´s see your M" thread?
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I ordered a black chrome MP ALC Several years ago and wouldn't trade it for two black paint versions. It has the .85x vf, black ostrich leather and my signature on the back. Actually my wife ordered it for me. I had and sold a chrome and red leather MP and retro LHS Hammertone kit. Sold the Hammertone and red leather after finishing a project and only have the black chrome MP and a 1960 M2 that I've had much of my career. Also bought a steel gray M9 this year but wish it was available in black chrome.

I had a couple of other black chrome cameras over the years and the black wears much faster than silver chrome. My M6 black chrome got so thin you could see the zinc casting through it.
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Where are you located? I've tried several times to have mods like this done to various cameras and been told it can't be done by Leica NJ. Just recently tried to get my M9 bodies redone in black chrome, now that the monochrome is like that. I think the home office is more open to this kind of thing.
I'm currently in Berlin, so I contacted Leica HQ directly. They said I could either send the camera to Solms myself, or go through an official dealer in Berlin. They have all the parts in stock for a conversion, and the conversion would take around 3 weeks (but not in November and December, where they have more than the usual service requests).

If you're interested, drop Leica Germany an e-mail and perhaps send the camera in yourself?

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Interesting, I never liked the black chrome; I much prefer paint or just silver chrome. The slight wear on my BP MP just appears to reveal the quality brass underneath, the wear on my old black chrome M8 just looked ugly. BP feels better to my hand as well.

But it's good that Leica offers options for most tastes.
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I'm on the hunt for a used black M6, maybe even a used M7 which would stretch my budget quite much.
What I do not like about M4-M7s is the rewind knob. I just prefer the one on my M2. Works better for me.
Also I find the old style advance lever more beautiful, the newer ones are ok too.
So since I want black, everything points towards a MP, but I do not like the shiny black paint really. Also I'm not a fan of the brass shining thru on the corners. I want black and not steam punk vintage.

Is anyone here that actually ever ordered a black chrome MP thru ALC?

(my dream would be one with M2/M3 style ergonomics, without engravings in black chrome .. only there is no way I'm putting 4.3k€ on the table for this)
You'd rather have a grey camera with silvery bits where it's worn, then? Have you ever seen heavily worn black chrome? I have a black chrome M4-P, and black paint MP and M9, all from new, and the ugliest wearing-in by far (in my opinion of course) is the M4-P. Silver wears in OK (I have an M2 and an M8) but I just prefer black.

EDIT: I'd agree with gdi about the feel of the finishes, too.

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If you're interested, drop Leica Germany an e-mail and perhaps send the camera in yourself?

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I suppose I may give them a try after the first of the year...

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I'd agree with gdi about the feel of the finishes, too.

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Absolutely opposite here. The paint is much slipperier in my hand, especially once glove weather arrives. But in the end I'd much rather shoot with a slippery M than a DSLR!
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I suppose I may give them a try after the first of the year...



Absolutely opposite here. The paint is much slipperier in my hand, especially once glove weather arrives. But in the end I'd much rather shoot with a slippery M than a DSLR!
No disagreement there!

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Wow Wow wow..


Do you know the time difference between rewinding film in an M6 and in a MP?

Because of this I've even seen people buy a rewind crank for the MP..
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black chrome looks the same as black satin paint
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If I bought an MP it would be custom black chrome. Black chrome is so brutally underrated, and black paint is so brutally overrated.
why do you feel this way?
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Do you know the time difference between rewinding film in an M6 and in a MP?

Because of this I've even seen people buy a rewind crank for the MP..
I do indeed. I rarely am in situations that it matters, in fact can't think of one I remember. I actually got the angled RW knob on the 2 I ordered as it makes rewinding with the frankenfinder on far easier. The rewind cranks are OK, equally fiddly to the M4 style. I actually prefer the MP type knob when shooting finderless or flashless. Clumsy fingers here.
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Agreed; I prefer my M2 crankless... Also, as someone well-known reportedly said, in effect, there are no picture opportunities between rolls anyway.
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Do you know the time difference between rewinding film in an M6 and in a MP?

Because of this I've even seen people buy a rewind crank for the MP..
Easily amazed I see.

I imagine the few extra seconds to rewind an MP is no more significant than the shots lost due to the flare from the M6 VF. And do you know the time difference between loading an M6 and a Bessa?

My M3 came with a rewind lever - it must be in a drawer somewhere.
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why do you feel this way?
I think the black paint on the modern leicas is a bit thin - brassing happens too quickly and I've grown to find it a bit tacky looking. Conversely I really like the way the black chrome 'dull's' and goes silver-ish with wear. I just like things that wear subtly - the brass showing under the black paint versions just isn't as subtle for my tastes.
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black chrome looks the same as black satin paint
Have you actually SEEN black chrome? Especially worn?

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I think the black paint on the modern leicas is a bit thin - brassing happens too quickly and I've grown to find it a bit tacky looking. Conversely I really like the way the black chrome 'dull's' and goes silver-ish with wear. I just like things that wear subtly - the brass showing under the black paint versions just isn't as subtle for my tastes.
M9 is a LOT tougher than MP. My ideal would be the gloss of an MP with the durability of an M9 -- but at this point, it does start getting a bit precious and overly finicky to discuss exactly what you'd like.

The production manager at Leica hates the shiny black finish on MPs as it shows even the tiniest mark.

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I imagine the few extra seconds to rewind an MP is no more significant than the shots lost due to the flare from the M6 VF.


One can only contemplate all the things we'll never see that weren't shot before the M4 made rewinding so fast. Or all those perfect moments we missed before motor drives allowed us 8 frames per second...




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Have you actually SEEN black chrome? Especially worn?
I think I like it as it looks more like a tool finish, especially 'worn-in', if you'll pardon my geeking out.
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By coincidence I e-mailed Leica last week if they can do the conversion, and yes, you just send your MP camera to them and they get back to you with a price quote. I'm also one of the few people who's not a fan of black paint finishes. I got a used silver chrome MP and once I have the funds in 2-3 years I'll ask Leica to change it to a black chrome finish.

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Very interesting ! When I had a silver-chrome MP (2007) I wanted to have it changed to either BP or black-chrome and Leica (Japan) responded that such a conversion is absolutely out of question ...
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Have you actually SEEN black chrome? Especially worn?

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Which type of black-chrome ? Applied to brass (M4, M4-2, M4-P, M5) or zink (M6, M6TTL), or the new process as used for the brass top plates of M7 and MP ( a la carte) ? ( there were actually two different plating procedures in case of the M7. From early M7 one can literally wipe the black chrome of and Leica changed a couple of these early top-plates free of charge)
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I own a BP MP; an M8.2 BP; and three M6s in black chrome. I feel the black chrome is more business-like. I believe I prefer it, now that the novelty of BP is wearing off. I had DAG change the winding lever to the straight metal type, and install the VF upgrade, on one M6. Now it is functionally an MP!
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I had DAG change the winding lever to the straight metal type, and install the VF upgrade, on one M6. Now it is functionally an MP!
Sending in my m6 after the new year to have these done, still cheaper then an MP!
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Sure Roger, I have seen many M4-p, M6 in black chrome worn out. I can replicate the same black chrome by leaving the nickel layer untouch and paint it over with black SATIN ( not semigloss black) then it'll look undistinguishable with the real black chrome one. Cheers.
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Very interesting ! When I had a silver-chrome MP (2007) I wanted to have it changed to either BP or black-chrome and Leica (Japan) responded that such a conversion is absolutely out of question ...
The main office seems much more open to playing around for us!
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