Should I trade an m6 for an m3?
Old 09-18-2012   #1
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Should I trade an m6 for an m3?

Hi guys,

as some of you may know I recently had a problem with my shutter speeds being off on my m6. A friend recently contacted me and said he has a mint m3 that just got cla'd and would like to trade it for my m6..

The m3 looks great , not even a single speck on the viewfinder..

I always loved the m3 and I don't use metering often..

All though I do have a 35 mm lens..

So should I trade or get my camera cla'd..

this is such a hard choice to me because if i trade it in I have a feeling i will regret it but then again its an m3 gosh this is really hard
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Old 09-18-2012   #2
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Old 09-18-2012   #3
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Let me see ... a 50-60 years old camera vs. your M6 that you said was a late 90's model.

That's a rather easy answer ... ._. No.
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Assuming that the M3 is working properly (ie. recent CLA), then, maybe consider the features that will come with the M3:

- spool loading on the M3 vs the M6 film takeup. Some people like the foolproof-ness of the spool

- framelines. Yep, you've already mentioned the 35mm lines, but also consider that the M3 won't have the 75mm or 28mm.

- meterless M3 vs meter on the M6

- flash sync connectors on the M3 need an adapter for modern flash, vs the M6 hot shoe.

- knob rewind vs angled knob with lever rewind

Otherwise the two are the same.

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Old 09-18-2012   #5
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Oh, the M3 viewfinder doesn't flare. The M6 might.
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Old 09-18-2012   #7
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ok i am gonna keep the m6 and cla it...

thanks for the fact sheet vickko!

i always wanted an m3 and the thought kept staying at the back of my head.. When i get elected as a city council member I'll buy an m3 and strictly use it on a 50mm lens then!

m6 seems to be the more practical choice here in terms of use!

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Let me see ... a 50-60 years old camera vs. your M6 that you said was a late 90's model.

That's a rather easy answer ... Yes.
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It s a personal choice. I use the M3 and the M6. They are my only film M cameras. I use the M6 more ofen but I like the M3 more as a high quality camra to admire.
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Yes, they are wonders of good taste in design and craftmanship. My M3 came with the receipt from Germany from the previous (first) owner. It still is in super clean shape.
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Yea, it is a preference. I have a strong preference for the meterless Ms in use. There are numerous reasons for this, too. The main reason I sold off my MPs and went with my M2/M3/M4/M4-P bodies is because of the terrible LED-red haze in the VF when shooting in low light; it caused me numerous lost frames. For the older Ms, you do have to get specimens with VFs in great shape. But otherwise they are mechanical wonders that seem to last and just keep working. FWIW, OP, I'd take my M4-P with its 50mm lines over a M6

wow really? i woulda thought the mp by now the led brightness would be automatically changed?? jap cameras built in meter had that since late 70's
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Yes, they are wonders of good taste in design and craftmanship. My M3 came with the receipt from Germany from the previous (first) owner. It still is in super clean shape.
very nice raid
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wow really? i woulda thought the mp by now the led brightness would be automatically changed?? jap cameras built in meter had that since late 70's
Leica makes haste slowly... well, used to make haste slowly at least

I was an M3 man, had an M6 classic 0.85 at one time and foolishly sold it to fund something else and that was the best M6 I would have like to use linger, with retrospect. My current M2 and a 35mm lens are best buddies and I love them equally

Happy shooting with the M6 and if troubled by the LED glare (never was an issue for me), you can always take out the battery and use a handheld meter!
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If the M3 from your friend is MINT, IMHO trade it without hesitation.
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Yea, it is a preference. I have a strong preference for the meterless Ms in use. There are numerous reasons for this, too. The main reason I sold off my MPs and went with my M2/M3/M4/M4-P bodies is because of the terrible LED-red haze in the VF when shooting in low light; it caused me numerous lost frames. For the older Ms, you do have to get specimens with VFs in great shape. But otherwise they are mechanical wonders that seem to last and just keep working. FWIW, OP, I'd take my M4-P with its 50mm lines over a M6
Same here. I sold off my MP in 2005 and keep my M2/3/4 and never look back but YMMV
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Trade it, I can find a couple of M3s to choose from to trade you, with cla .

Or simply find a nice M3 and after a year or so, you can sell off the one you really do not care for.

The M6 will get a CLA, question is, who will own it at the time.

If the light thing bothers someone, they can take out the battery?

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Trade it, I can find a couple of M3s to choose from to trade you, with cla .

Or simply find a nice M3 and after a year or so, you can sell off the one you really do not care for.

The M6 will get a CLA, question is, who will own it at the time.

If the light thing bothers someone, they can take out the battery?

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Hi John,

thanks for the post.. Do you mean you can help me trade my m6 for a cla'd m3? I appreciate you saying that.

choosing between the two is the hardest choice for me , I know i will eventually get an m3 too if i keep the m6 because it has a rather mystical feeling for me

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Old 09-19-2012   #18
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Yes, get that M3. And a 50mm Summicron.
Only reason why you shouldn't do it is if you really prefer 35mm lenses. An M3 in good shape with a good 50 is not a just a camera, it is a beautiful and reliable object that will make you happier than any other piece of photo equipment.
Someone was mentioning the take-up spools as a nuisance; it is a bit slower, yes, but nothing to really worry about. If you want to be really fast, you shouldn't be shooting film, get one of those Canon models that shoot like machine guns.
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Do you need a light meter?
Do you prefer 35mm over 50mm?

If no to both, get the M3.
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Johan: my M6 is also a 0.85 model.
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meh. Why not. You only live once. If it's a mistake, you come out that much the wiser and swap back.
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I'd say sleep about it... if you dont want to trade the M6 then wait and save enough so you can have both

you can shoot 50mm M3 and 35mm M6... would be the best solution if you ask me... when you cant decide between the 2
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I wear glasses.
For me, the M3 is the worst of all M's.
Had a beautiful M3 a few years ago, after I fell for its siren call/internet hype.
I needed to press hard on the eyepiece to see enough around the frame (at the cost of quickly destroying my right glasses lens).
I swapped it for an M6, never been happier with a trade....
So you see, be careful about internet advises
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Get your M6 fixed and get the M3. It's a killer combo with [28,35]/50/90.
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took the M6ttl out today for a B&W architecture & landscape shoot to an old castle area.... actually it was raining and I wouldnt want to carry 2 M bodies at a time. switched lenses a bit between 28 and 50 and framing with glasses on is so much easier with a .58 viewfinder... got no problems focusing. I dont wanna know how 0.91 feels like if you wear glasses... maybe you dont thus making no sense to you or you wanna shoot 90/135 too with precise focus&frame...

but I'd stick with the M6 although a M3 is just temping because its a M3...

pretty much depends on you...

another thing: to me it matters if I kinda have a ... sounds wierd... relationship with your camera.. that you know it and it feels good.. changing camera might destroy that feeling at first... I'd only buy the M3 as an addition but never just to replace my own..

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Get your M6 fixed and get the M3. It's a killer combo with [28,35]/50/90.
I second with you. That combo is also what I am using now. No need to frustrate about gears anymore.
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took the M6ttl out today for a B&W architecture & landscape shoot to an old castle area.... actually it was raining and I wouldnt want to carry 2 M bodies at a time. switched lenses a bit between 28 and 50 and framing with glasses on is so much easier with a .58 viewfinder... got no problems focusing. I dont wanna know how 0.91 feels like if you wear glasses... maybe you dont thus making no sense to you or you wanna shoot 90/135 too with precise focus&frame...

but I'd stick with the M6 although a M3 is just temping because its a M3...

pretty much depends on you...

another thing: to me it matters if I kinda have a ... sounds wierd... relationship with your camera.. that you know it and it feels good.. changing camera might destroy that feeling at first... I'd only buy the M3 as an addition but never just to replace my own..

you'll do the right thing anyway
yeah you are right.. The M6 was my first camera and my first leica so i guess i do have a special relationship with it. 20 years from now If i still have it , it would be even more of a special relationship..

The decision is final im repairing the m6 and getting an m3 afterwards..

thanks everyone for the suggestions
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I have a M6TTL .85 Chrome and love it

A couple of folks mentioned keeping the M6, with a CLA, and usign the 35mm and then saving and adding the M3 with a 50mm in the future. Sound advice, a little patience, it is always nice to have a backup camera. If you find you love the M3 solo, you can always sell the M6 in the future.

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M3 are all old! The glue holding the viewfinder is brittle and weak. I own both. One hard knock could eliminate my finder. I prefer the feel of the M3 but the meter wins hands down over the old piggy back selenium meter. The Metrawat meter CDS that fits the earlier M3,M3,M4 etc is a lousy meter. Unreliable.
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Hi John,

thanks for the post.. Do you mean you can help me trade my m6 for a cla'd m3? I appreciate you saying that.

choosing between the two is the hardest choice for me , I know i will eventually get an m3 too if i keep the m6 because it has a rather mystical feeling for me

thanks

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I have been slow to move what I have, so I guess I am a "collector", my friends keep reminding me to post items for sale, but I always seem to find more and move less.

If loading worries you, the quick load attachments are available. I gave one to my friend Jorge, so he owes me a dinner or two south of the border. They are not common, but also not rare.
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Am not sure if the DR fits all M6s , I know it does not fit the M8 or 9.

If you really want 35mm, the ones with eyes are also around.

I don't think which ever way you go it will be an error.

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I would keep the M6, Faster loading, meter and a nice hot shoe on top,
what more do you need.

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Based on what you've said--your M6 needs several hundred dollars worth of work and his M3 is functionally mint--I'd trade without blinking. I had an M6 for a while, and I never used the hot shoe, almost never used the meter, and I think that the winding and film load differences are overblown. They are just different. You'll get used to it.

In the big picture, here is what I would do. I would make the swap, take the several hundred you would have spent on an M6 CLA and put in in an envelope toward an M2. A Krauter or DAG CLA costs about half of what you can get an M2 for. Save until you can get the M2. That way you will have two cameras with parallel/very similar form and function, but one being ideal for 35mm and one for 50mm. Plus, you'll always have a camera in hand if one needs to be sent off for a repair.
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i would not. for me, the M6 is the best film M. i can't see shooting without an in-camera meter, but that's my personal preference.
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