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Old 07-17-2005   #1
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did you hear about this?

just lifted off cvug...

Previously I reported the existence of prototype digital Hexars.

today I found out one version uses a full frame sensor!

still, no decision yet if it will be produced.

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Old 07-17-2005   #2
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Holy _ _ _ _ is right. That would be very sweet.
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Old 07-17-2005   #4
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Now that's the digital camera I've been waiting for. I look at the cameras now and think "beta"
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Old 07-17-2005   #5
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There would certainly be a market for it. A full frame digital RF would be sweet.
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Old 07-18-2005   #6
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A huge step in the right direction if it has a full frame sensor and gets produced at a reasonable price in M mount.

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Old 07-18-2005   #7
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Are we talking the Hexar digital AF, or the RF? I get the impression the AF was the generally more successful camera; if it's the RF, I hope by now they've solved the problem with rangefinder misalignment! My RF is being repaired by Greg Weber, but there's now a shortage of spares for the rangefinder...
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There would certainly be a market for it. A full frame digital RF would be sweet.
True... Antivignetting software is getting better all the time
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Old 07-18-2005   #9
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A lethal blow for Leica and Epson there...
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I posted a new thread (now deleted) before reading this one...

Exactly the same that when I used to answer exams before reading the questions completely

But this may be EXACTLY what I've been waiting for...
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I think about Konica Hexars and ZI RFs. That (I guess) is the future trend, it is an excellent RF body together with new developements in full frame sensors. I canīt understand why
there exists the DSLR. Lets see what the other makers do.
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I canīt understand why there exists the DSLR.
Quoting from Digital Photo Review:
One of the biggest growth sectors is DSLRs. InfoTrends/CAP Ventures expects the consumer DSLR market to grow 81% in 2005.
NOW you can see why it exists, right? Like McDonald's hamburgers, people seem determined to buy the dratted things, inexplicable as it might seem to us...
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I think about Konica Hexars and ZI RFs. That (I guess) is the future trend, it is an excellent RF body together with new developements in full frame sensors. I canīt understand why
there exists the DSLR. Lets see what the other makers do.

The problem with a full frame sensor on a RF is that the distance from the rear of the lens to the film surface is far shorter than with a (D)SLR. That means that the angle of the light striking the sensor at the edges is significantly larger than the angle of acceptance of any sensor up to and including current technology, leading to extreme vignetting and chromatic aberration, especially with wide-angle lenses. Kodak seems to have a breakthrough enabling them to build a 1,37 crop sensor (but not full frame) for Leica that is acceptable which is the reason that the M8dig is in the pipeline now. BTW even the Canon 1DsII with its far longer film-sensor distance and state of the art sensor technology exhibits this problem to a certain degree, albeit acceptably. The problem might be solved by radical new lens designs as well, but that might be even more difficult than developing sensors with wideangle acceptance. Current views question the value of full frame sensors anyhow ( see Erwin Puts's website). I'm glad I'm not a camera-designer....
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just lifted off cvug...

Previously I reported the existence of prototype digital Hexars.

Joe,

Do you have any links for the release info?

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I think about Konica Hexars and ZI RFs. That (I guess) is the future trend, it is an excellent RF body together with new developements in full frame sensors. I canīt understand why
there exists the DSLR. Lets see what the other makers do.
Funny that you mention that connection. On Dpreview, there's a new release from Konica/Minolta and Sony regarding their collaboration on DSLR's. So now you have Konica doing a digital RF and Sony who makes the sensors for many dslr's and who also have a working relationship with Zeiss.
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Joe,

Do you have any links for the release info?

Tom

tom,

i don't think there is any release info.

gandy says he saw a prototype but doesn't know if it will ever be produced.

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Old 07-20-2005   #17
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I suppose you're talking about a digital RF, but a digital Hexar AF would be nice, too. Konica Minolta, are you listening? ;-)
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there exists the DSLR.
Focusing a 300mm lens?

Macro?

No doubt about the acuracy of framelines?
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I have a potentially stupid question about this framing-thing
How's it with the RD-1 digi rf? Can you use the LCD to compose, just like on all digitals? Can you use it to rf focus?(i guess not) When you compose on the LCD, is it what you see is what you get like on other digitals, or are the "framelines" (crop edges" as inaccurate as with a RF brightline finder?
If it is accurate on the LCD, is this then the solution for the infamous "rf problem" of parallax, inaccuracy of framelines, close focusing etcetera? (ok, i know, close focusing is limited by the lens)
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Hi Pherdinand, I found out playing with Remy's RD-1 the LCD screen is only for viewing afterwards. Quite disappointing!
It would be brilliant to be able to focus on teh LCD for special purposes. I have a small Canon IXUS first generation digi that I use like that. Works well!

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I have a potentially stupid question about this framing-thing
How's it with the RD-1 digi rf? Can you use the LCD to compose, just like on all digitals?
The RD-1 uses the same kind of sensor technology as most DSLRs and this type of sensors does not provide the live video stream needed for LCD preview. (This is not necessarily a bad thing since it avoids the trade-off between high resolution still image performance vs video capture performance during the sensor design process.)

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