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I came across this "first impressions" comparison of Ektachrome 100 exposed at 100, 200, 400 and 800. Not an ideal test (different subjects with 100-200 vs 400-800) but any early data is better than none at all.
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I came across this "first impressions" comparison of Ektachrome 100 exposed at 100, 200, 400 and 800. Not an ideal test (different subjects with 100-200 vs 400-800) but any early data is better than none at all.
Thanks, Lynn,

Em did a good job comparing the results. I like them very much!

It appears that his scans are very good indeed!!!
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THE GRINCH (i.e.-FedEx) LOSES THIS ROUND!

Two rolls of E100, one box crushed, 10 days delivery time and they are now ready to shoot!

Under cover of night and after multiple inquiries and falsehoods, my order was finally, finally, delivered either late last night or early this morning.



Time to get busy and hoping for nice scans!
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Thanks, Just Epson/500 photo scanner, without any color adjustments.
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I have no doubt it is a quality film and the images posted look great, but to my eyes the color rendering does not really look very different from a typical digital camera color profile and doesn't have the glamour of Kodachrome (or even Portra) which makes me wonder if it will make inroads with the younger film crowd.
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I have no doubt it is a quality film, but to my eyes the color rendering does not really look very different from a typical digital camera color profile and doesn't have the glamour of Kodachrome (or even Portra) which makes me wonder if it will make inroads with the younger film crowd.
Remember that all the pictures you're looking at in this thread have been scanned. Playing around with the histogram, adding/decreasing color saturation, etc., can greatly alter how a scan will look. Only way to really tell what the new Ektachrome looks like is to shoot a roll.

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Remember that all the pictures you're looking at in this thread have been scanned. Playing around with the histogram, adding/decreasing color saturation, etc., can greatly alter how a scan will look. Only way to really tell what the new Ektachrome looks like is to shoot a roll.

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Agreed, Jim.

We are going to need time to dial this film in. There are so many variables!
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Agreed, Jim.

We are going to need time to dial this film in. There are so many variables!
This is a problem with digital photography. But on the pictures that I posted I used Epson software (gamma 2.2 and color correction for positive film), after isolation of the image I clicked on the histogram. This I moved the white and black points to the edge of the histogram (which is different from my B&W treatment). Then I moved the span sliders below the histogram sliders to zero and 250. I check to see if the red, green, blue histograms are a match with the complete histogram. Then I scan. After moving these to my editing program I only lightened these slightly. What surprised me was the gamma 2.2 and the color correction on the Epson software looked very much like the slides. I also used Adobe RGB color space all the way through.
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I have no doubt it is a quality film and the images posted look great, but to my eyes the color rendering does not really look very different from a typical digital camera color profile and doesn't have the glamour of Kodachrome (or even Portra) which makes me wonder if it will make inroads with the younger film crowd.
My scan always look different. It hard to "mimic" real color and transparent effect of the slide on the scan. The slide looks much better by eyes.
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Remember that all the pictures you're looking at in this thread have been scanned. Playing around with the histogram, adding/decreasing color saturation, etc., can greatly alter how a scan will look. Only way to really tell what the new Ektachrome looks like is to shoot a roll.

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I can't speak for everyone, but I try to make my scans look like the film looks when I view it through a loupe (at least on my monitors).
It's something that's easy with slide film that you can't really do with negative film.
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Here are a few images from my first two rolls with the new E100. So far I'm finding the film to be a bit warmer than Provia, while still retaining similar, maybe even more, highlight and shadow detail. These were shot with a Contax G2, using my Sekonic L-558 and spot metering to average the scene, then DSLR scanned with a Canon 5Ds and processed in Capture One to match the film as close as I could. I'm really excited to shoot more with this film. Also this is my first post, hello! I've spent the past few weeks lurking this thread in excitement to finally shoot this film. Thanks for the inspiration!
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xjonstars, thanks for the description of your process. I like your images, but I did have a slightly different take of shadows and highlights: not that i'm right. So all of these details which so far have been few are very helpful to all E100 users.
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then DSLR scanned with a Canon 5Ds
Welcome Xjonstars!

May I ask what set-up you used to scan the film/slide with the DSLR? Copy stand? Dedicated slide/film copier? I'm thinking forward to the time my 13 year old film scanner finally dies.
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Here are a few images from my first two rolls with the new E100. So far I'm finding the film to be a bit warmer than Provia, while still retaining similar, maybe even more, highlight and shadow detail.
Did you shoot E100 and Provia 100F in a direct side-by-side comparison? With exactly the same parameters (time, light condition, lens, camera, aperture, shutter speed, same processing)?
Because that is the only way to judge correctly.
I ask because my results have been different and the opposite of yours: Provia 100F being a little bit warmer and offering a wider contrast range (dynamic range) compared to the new Ektachrome.
I've shot both under the exact same conditions side-by-side in two identical camera bodies with the same lens.

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I'm getting out today with a roll. ****'s expensive. I haven't shot transparencies in a long time. Should be fun though. Can't wait to get back to shooting some good old BW though.
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Also it's weird to me that almost every image in this thread has such a crazy amount of softness and aberration. Who's scanning this stuff? Is it DIY scans or lab scans?
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Jon, particularly liking the highlights on that fluorescent lamp. Nice scans.
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Thanks everyone! Like I said, I'm really happy to shoot more with this film and get a better understanding of it. There's no denying it's a pretty high contrast film, but I didn't find it unmanageable.

@HHPhoto no I haven't done any actual testing, but I have shot around 30 rolls of Provia this year in my Contax G2, with the last few rolls of Provia and the 2 rolls of E100 being processed at the same lab and shot within 2 weeks of each other here in Los Angeles where the days tend to be very similar. Directly on the light table I find my Provia to be on the blue/magenta side of things with the Ektachrome being more neutral and occasionally warmer. I'd love to see someone do a bit more testing for a definitive answer, but this is just my experience.

@dmr I use a system that is pretty similar to what Peter Krogh recommends on his DAM Book website. It's an Arca rail system, but instead of using the Nikon PS slide holder I have mounted a Beseler 67 35mm enlarger carrier. I find it to be more streamlines and it makes it really easy to swap out to a 6x4.5 or 6x7 carrier. I also use a Dracast Daylight LED panel with a piece of frosted plexiglass for my light source. To me, it's a dream setup. I can scan a full roll of 35mm in less than 3 minutes. I'd highly recommend looking into Peter Krogh's book on camera scanning if you are interested in moving this way in the future.

Here are a few more E100 scans from the same rolls
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Also it's weird to me that almost every image in this thread has such a crazy amount of softness and aberration. Who's scanning this stuff? Is it DIY scans or lab scans?
I agree at least with my scans. I was disappointed when I compared them to a recent Fujifilm 200 C-41 roll that I scanned on the same day. My scanner definitely doesn't do 35mm very well as it is a flatbed. But I didn't feel like dragging out my Mirrorless digital set up.

For DMR, this is my set-up but I use a mirrorless now.

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I've always had not super great luck scanning transparencies in the past. It's really hard so don't take the critique the wrong way. If I get mine done I'll just get lab scans since I got no means of scanning at home.
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Another Ektachrome E100, evening light in Baltimore. Nikon F6 and Nikkor 10.5cm f2.5 P.

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No idea about development specs or scanner - this is a scan back from a lab.
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Also it's weird to me that almost every image in this thread has such a crazy amount of softness and aberration. Who's scanning this stuff? Is it DIY scans or lab scans?
Yeah, that's something I noticed when I scanned mine. (V700) They're not as crisp as my negative scans on the same scanner. I dunno why. I had my first roll scanned from thedarkroom.com as well and it's even worse than my V700 scans. (their color is terrible too)

I wanted to test out a couple rolls and now that I have, I probably won't shoot anymore, mostly because of the cost, but partially because of the scans. They look AMAZING through a loupe though.

If it were cheaper per roll+developing I might be persuaded to get a slide projector and shoot more, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. To be honest, I prefer 400 speed film anyway.
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Yeah, that's something I noticed when I scanned mine. (V700) They're not as crisp as my negative scans on the same scanner. I dunno why. I had my first roll scanned from thedarkroom.com as well and it's even worse than my V700 scans. (their color is terrible too)

I wanted to test out a couple rolls and now that I have, I probably won't shoot anymore, mostly because of the cost, but partially because of the scans. They look AMAZING through a loupe though.

If it were cheaper per roll+developing I might be persuaded to get a slide projector and shoot more, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. To be honest, I prefer 400 speed film anyway.
I think the problem with flatbed scanners is that they're fixed focus. That means the film must be exactly the right distance from the scanner's sensor. Slides are in plastic or cardboard mounts that hold the film at a slightly different height above the glass than a negative, and the mounts themselves vary in thickness.

You need a dedicated film scanner that has an autofocus lens system. My slide scans from my Nikon 8000ED are as sharp as my scans of negatives.
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They look AMAZING through a loupe though.
That is the case with all excellent reversal films: Provia, the Velvias and Ektachrome.
Excellent slide loupes and slide projectors significantly surpass computer monitor quality. Two different worlds.
And the quality problem with computer monitors is not only their extremely low resolution, but also the limited color gamut and that they cannot show real continuous tones (because of the discrete LCD structure). Furthermore the pictures look completely flat on computer monitors.
With slides on a light table under an excellent slide loupe and in slide projection the quality is much much better because
- no resolution loss by scanning
- no second step resolution loss by the limited monitor resolution
- no grain-enhancing by scanner-noise
- you get full resolution and sharpness
- full color brillance
- a very nice kind of "3D-effect", slides have much more depth in projection and under a loupe
- no expensive or time consuming scanning needed.

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If it were cheaper per roll+developing I might be persuaded to get a slide projector and shoot more, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. To be honest, I prefer 400 speed film anyway.
Use this first-class E6 lab:
http://www.agximaging.com/
Only 8$ per roll. And perfect quality and service.
(Then) shooting reversal film is even cheaper compared to color negative film per shot: Because you don't need expensive scans and/or prints with reversal film.
With an excellent slide loupe (for normal enlargements) and a slide projector (for huge enlargements in 'cinema-at-home' quality) you get outstanding, unsurpassed quality, and only film developing is needed.
You can even further reduce your costs by E6 home processing. Gives perfect quality at extremely low prices. And it is very easy!

Concerning speed: Provia 100F delivers outstanding results at ISO 200/24, and still very good results at ISO 400/27 ( I am currently testing E100 in push-processing to see how it compares to Provia).

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Skiff, totally agree, I still have my Kodak Carousel which isn't really an excellent projector. But I do have an excellent screen and the slide are are beautiful when projected. I have 3000+ slides (in trays) and when the family gets together I set it up and let them run the forward button: bliss.
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Ektachrome 100 and a cat in the sunbeam. Checking out a high contrast subject with Nikon F6 and Nikkor 10.5cm f2.5P.

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I think the problem with flatbed scanners is that they're fixed focus. That means the film must be exactly the right distance from the scanner's sensor. Slides are in plastic or cardboard mounts that hold the film at a slightly different height above the glass than a negative, and the mounts themselves vary in thickness.

You need a dedicated film scanner that has an autofocus lens system. My slide scans from my Nikon 8000ED are as sharp as my scans of negatives.
My ektachrome isn't mounted, so it's the same height as my negative scans. I've been thinking of getting a dedicated scanner, I just hate that it's all old tech at this point and could die at any time..
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One more Ektachrome E100 example with Nikon F6 and Nikkor 10.5cm f2.5 P.

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I shot some Ektachrome 200 yesterday from 1986, although I did rate it at 100iso!
Considering the age of the film and the overcast conditions not bad,
18fbpicM4Ektachrome200_023 by f4saregreat!, on Flickr
18fbpicM4Ektachrome200_021 by f4saregreat!, on Flickr
18fbpicM4Ektachrome200_027 by f4saregreat!, on Flickr
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I've finished my roll no. 5 last week. My experiences after these five rolls of new Ektachrome E100 so far:
- speed is about ISO 80, not 100
- very nice, neutral colors; a little bit on the cooler side (in direct comparison Provia 100F is a little bit warmer)
- extremely fine grain (but not finer grain than Provia)
- not as sharp as Provia
- lower resolution than Provia.

Detail rendition of E100 is significantly better than Ektar.
But Provia (and the Velvias) remain the top films in this respect, the unsurpassed benchmark.
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Where are the images with people? Has anyone shot portraits yet?

So far, it appears that landscapes, for me, work quite nice/better? with Velvia. I am interested to see how E100 works with long exposures in landscapes, though.

Other interests are both low light and skin tones. Still shooting away with both expired and new Ektachrome... it may be awhile before I get mine processed.
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Where are the images with people? Has anyone shot portraits yet?
I've shot portraits, but I am not allowed to show the portrayed people in public.
Skin tones are very good (same is valid for Provia). I liked the results, the portrayed people, too.
As with Provia, E100 can be used without problems for portrait and fashion shootings.
Both are very flexible and versatile films concerning the genre you want to shoot.
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I've shot portraits, but I am not allowed to show the portrayed people in public.
Skin tones are very good (same is valid for Provia). I liked the results, the portrayed people, too.
As with Provia, E100 can be used without problems for portrait and fashion shootings.
Both are very flexible and versatile films concerning the genre you want to shoot.
Sounds good! Thanks!

I will be looking around for links to share. I am still shooting when I have a little time but it is more than twice as long because I am shooting expired Ektachrome in 35 and 120... And then, I realized I have a lot of 220 Ektachrome!!!

It is going to take awhile.
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A few images from today. I got the urge after having the film for a month and wanted a baseline so I ran out as the sun was setting and blew through a roll in 30 minutes. No art here, I was just pointing at colorful things without much regard to subject matter to see what would happen. This is my first roll of the new Ektachrome so I wasn't expecting much, but the colors in my hand and on the light table are quite nice. Scanning them is another matter of course, but that's always hard for me.

I exposed this roll at iso100 and the images are a touch dark so my next roll will be exposed at iso80. I'll also be sourcing a warming filter as the roll looks just a bit blue to me.

I'm glad this film has arrived and look forward to using it more.










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Thanks for posting those.... what scanner did you use?
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Re portraits, the new Ektachrome is very neutral when shot in controlled conditions, but has a bluish bias outdoors when in open shade.

This is the new Ektachrome, drum scanned.

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