Summaron 35/3.5
Old 01-27-2010   #1
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Summaron 35/3.5

After getting less than satisfactory results from my Sun Sola 90mm (too soft at wide-aperture indoors, and flares quite a bit outdoors, quite restrictive don't you think), I wasn't expecting much from my collapsible Summaron 35mm/3.5f.
When I got the prints back from the one hour lab this past week-end, I was pleasantly surprised to find that my summaron performed quite well at wide aprerture. This is an uncoated lens made in 1954.

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Likewise!

I am equally very happy with my M3 type Summaron 35mm/f3.5, without goggles - not only for its excellent optical, mechanical and aesthetic condition, but most of all for the wonderful results it produces with both Colour and B&W films. An underrated, hence a competitively priced lens from Leitz's golden era...
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Old 01-27-2010   #3
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Collapsible? They're not collapsible. Uncoated from 1954? All Summarons (and just about all post WWII lenses) are coated. LTM Summarons are compact and surprisingly sharp.
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Yeah, I wasn't aware of a collapsible Summaron.
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Old 01-27-2010   #6
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Summarons 35mm f/3.5 are all coated and are stunning performers. However, they are often hazy, but a good repairer can solve the problem in 20 minutes!

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Old 01-27-2010   #7
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It's a wonderful and very compact lens. I own both the 2.8 and the 3.5 version and can only keep one, so the slower lens is the more disposable at this point. (thus the current classified listing) I find the lens excels in B&W.
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Yea, the 35/3.5 Summaron LTM is one tiny well put together lens. One in good condition gives great results.

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As Victor M and Erik say, it has to be coated. I've had two of these, same vintage, and they were fine performers although the second was a bit hazy. Other than the disadvantage of slow speed, I found them difficult to handle because of small size.
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My Bad. I wrote this late last nite.

Yes. The Summaron is NOT collapsible, and upon checking today, it is Coated. I must have been confused with my Elmar

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I'd forgotten I have one of these until I spotted this thread ... it was in a box of bits and pieces that came with a very rough IIIF I bought off ebay. It was extremely hazy and dirty but after DAG cleaned it for $50.00 it looked like new.

It's an absolute joy to use on my R4A I discovered the first time I tried it. I love the low contrast with black and white and the fact that it's so small ... a very under rated lens IMO!
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I want one of these. I like the size and I like the results.
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Old 01-28-2010   #13
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FAB lens indeed!!!
i have two the 3.5 & the 2.8
will be selling the 2.8 /don't need the extra stop for daytime
heres one in COLOR...beautifully sharp . MOI.... 3.5 ver.
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3.5 in B&W....with RED FILTER
GORGEOUS Shots keith /Love the Tones !
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Thanks Helen ... I do believe the little Summaron may actually have the 'Leica Glow!'



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I recently got this lens from Nantor... bloody amazing!

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Sorry, quickly changed the image there as I realised the image I had posted was short with the Summarit, another great lens.
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Old 01-28-2010   #18
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Anyone got shots of the summaron with an M8? Interested to see a few of those.
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Anyone got shots of the summaron with an M8? Interested to see a few of those.


I've thought about trying it on my M8 a few times but never got around to actually doing it!

That may have to change now that you've jogged my memory!
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Great pictures. I can't wait to get mine back from CLA.
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so now I know who mgd711 is; The fieryscotsman Mike !!!
Cooool Shot with the SUMMARIT

Ha ha ha ha, thanks Helen. Just a bit too much Tsing Tao last night, the Summarit shot is here if anybody wants to see it...

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Anyone got shots of the summaron with an M8? Interested to see a few of those.
funny you should ask, i brought all of my 35s to work with me today to play around with my new m8.
this is a hazy, scratched up F3.5 summaron with a nearly frozen focus ring. i got it with an equally pretty camera and almost gave it away because of it's condition. i'm glad i kept it, it's a pretty good little lens for the money.

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The thing that strikes me about this lens is the way it handles and renders highlights!

It's the ideal 35mm lens in the intense Australian summer light ... it actually looks better in these conditions to my eyes than my 35mm f2 Hexanon K mount.
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I don't actually use it too much on my m8 because it brings up the 50/75 framelines. i keep meaning to send it the sherry or dag to have that taken care of, and maybe have the slight haze taken out. other than that mine is perfect-i bought it from the original owner about 10 years ago, along with my m3.

anyway, on the m8 i mostly use it for ir:






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I like my LTM 3.5cm Summaron.



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I came across this lens on eBay and had to have it. I've never seen a collapsable 35mm lens before. Any info on this neat lens is very welcome.

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This reference suggests you have the second (collapsible) version of the 35mm f:3.5 Summaron, made from 1956-1960.

Your lens has E39 filter threads, whereas the rigid Summaron 35 uses push-on filters....


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Looks a bit like the 5cm/3.5?
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No other opinions on the collapsible 3.5 Summaron? It looks to be longer, extended, than the non-collapsible version. What would be the point of making it that way?
It looks like the Elmar 5cm f2.8.
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There was also a Summaron 3.5 /35mm in M mount, 1956-60, code SOONC (same code as the LTM collapsible). I believe this was the first Leitz 35mm lens in M-mount ?

Then the 2.8 35mm Summaron M-mount came-out in 1958 and ran through 1974, code SIMOM.

The LTM 2.8 Summaron also came-out in '58, and ran through 1963. Code SIMOO.


My suspicion is that Leitz thought it would be a good idea to market an LTM version of their "new" collapsible 3.5 / 35mm Summaron in 1956?


Since both the LTM and M versions were dropped after 1960, it would seem that it was not worth the effort ?

Seat of the pants reckoning on my part...

In his Classic Camera Profiles, regarding M Leica lenses, Head Bartender suggests that the 35mm Summicrons were sharper lenses, and describes the M-mount Summaron 35's as "adequate" performers.
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Thank you, all for your responses. I am starting to think that this may be a factory error or some cruel trick, haha. It really does look like an Elmar. Unfortunately, I don't have a digital M so we'll have to wait until I finish this roll to confirm with some comparison shots, I will keep you posted.
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Lovely little lens. I had mine cleaned and adjusted by DAG recently. Here is a shot with my M-D, FDR monument, Washington DC.



I should get some results shot on Delta 100 next week.

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I came across this lens on eBay and had to have it. I've never seen a collapsable 35mm lens before. Any info on this neat lens is very welcome.

It might be worthwhile to take this question to the "Coffee with the Mentors" department, to "Jim Lager, Leica Historian"...

He could probably give you some definitive info about it.

Or, if you find a Morgan & Lester Leica Handbook from the late 1950's / early 1960's, those usually have a fairly thorough taxonomy on Leica lenses past & current.
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It is simply an engraving error. It is a normal Elmar 50mm f/3.5 in M-mount.

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Going by this error and lens’ serial number, they had quite a lot of extra 3’s that day at the factory.
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Having owned both the M-Mount 5cm f/3.5 Elmar, and M-Mount 3.5cm f/3.5 Summaron, I can confirm that the lens posted by NeonKnight is the former, a 5cm Elmar.

Both fantastic lenses. Not the best in terms of ergonomics, but they certainly make up for it with the images they create.
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This is my first post of an image from a recently acquired 1951 Summaron 3.5cm F3.5. The lens is "hazy", however, the image quality works for me.

Shot wide open at 1/30 on Delta 100 processed in D76 1+1 9'45" at 22C. Scanned in Lightroom with no pp.
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