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2 primes for 1 zoom?

anyone using the 16 - 55 instead of using the 16 and 56 primes?
anyone starting with the zoom and move into the primes or visa versa?

can you talk about your experience?
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The 16~55 is quite something. I was skeptical, having left zooms behind many years ago after dumping all the Nikon, but wow. Better than the 18 prime.

The 16~55 at 16 or 18:


The 18:


The 18 is soft in the corners. Granted the first shot is all OOF in the corners, but I don't have anything else on Flickr from it full frame, and nothing else on this laptop.
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joe, lucky to have and use both. zoom for events when light is adequate. a 16/1.4 and 56/1.2 for small music venues where light is often poor and flash is a no. horses for courses.

the 16-55 is a handful, but i get used to it, basically balancing it in my left hand. shoots well, fast AF (similar to the 16/1.4, faster than the 56), great IQ.

the primes get me shots that i couldn't make at f/2.8. the 56 isolates very well, AF is prone to hunt in high contrast. the 16 gets me great extension when it's tight and poorly lighted, AF's in near darkness with my trusty xt-1.

@bob nice isolation for an f/2.8 lens at 16-18, imho
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it's never simple eh?
if i do get the zoom i would keep the 2 primes also...part of my never sell a lens policy.
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anyone using the 16 - 55 instead of using the 16 and 56 primes?
anyone starting with the zoom and move into the primes or visa versa?

can you talk about your experience?
Originally, I purchased the Fuji X-Pro1 as my available light camera. Here are the lenses I purchased in order from first purchased to last purchased:
23mm f/1.4 Fujinon
56mm f/1.2 Fujinon
16mm f/1.4 Fujinon
12mm f/2 Rokinon
135mm f/2 Zeiss

I was so pleased with the performance of my available light kit that I purchased the 16-55mm f/2.8 for the times when I did not need to carry my 16, 23, and 56 or did not have time to switch lenses.


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I love using manual focus prime lenses, especially on my Nikon Df camera. Unfortunately, when covering events, the changing of the primes, and having to go into the menu and change the non-CPU data for each lens when I swap them, just takes too much time. Have had to go back to the 24-70 on a regular DSLR for event coverage, which is not nearly as much fun, but I don't miss shots.

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How about one zoom for four primes? I use the 18-55 in lieu of the 18, 23, 35 and 56. I like the small size and versatility. I would rather bump up ISO two stops than carry around bulk and weight. I compose in camera rather than crop in software which favors the zoom. This is a carry over from my film days when I shot slides with 28-48 and 35-70 zooms.
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...I would rather bump up ISO two stops than carry around bulk and weight...
I am quite happily surprised by the higher ISO performance on the Xpro2.
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with zooms i tend to think in terms of both ends of the focal length...my bad!
but when shooting a zoom i do use the range of it pretty much.
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I have the 16-55. And the wife has the 18-55
But do not use it except for a small and short outing. Heavy for me.
I might get rid of it. But it is dam* good!


So 14/16, 35, 56 is my kit with the XP2 and the XH-1. I very rarely might add the 90/2 if the destination warrants the fl. But reluctantly, due to its weight.

I could do most of what I need with just the 35/56.
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i'm still mulling this over...i'm having a blast using the pancake 15-45...seems in great alignment with my own way of seeing things. if only it were a bit quicker!
the 16-55 would be a pretty good answer...similar coverage and a constant 2.8...but bigger & heavier.
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i'm still mulling this over...i'm having a blast using the pancake 15-45...seems in great alignment with my own way of seeing things. if only it were a bit quicker!
the 16-55 would be a pretty good answer...similar coverage and a constant 2.8...but bigger & heavier.
While not sexy, why not the 18-55mm? It is lighter, faster, and still not huge compared to your 15-45mm. The 16-55mm is made for those coming from a DSLR and that are used to having this type of lens for work, etc. For those of us who use Fuji because it is the best compromise between price, size, and IQ, this lens generally is too large for us ultimately. Yes, I have used it and yes, it is very nice. Ultimately, I left it home though, so I went back to the 18-55m for when I need a zoom.
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I don't have the 16-55 but I believe that the 1.2/56 is one of the best Fuji lenses available.
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I'm am a 100% Nikon FF DSLR shooter and traded in all my other gear. I have flirted with zooms. I'm a prime lens guy. This is a preference based on what "feels right". Have nothing against zoom lenses. However, since this is "rangefinderforum", and you couldn't very well use a zoom on a film rangefinder, I would imagine most here opt for primes.

I limit myself to two focal length combinations -- sometimes only one.

One lens -- Nikon 50/1.4 AF-D. I call this "the poor man's "'Cron." (Actually, that would be the 'Lux in Leica speak, I think -- but whatever...) Beats the newer "G" by a hair surprisingly, if you care about DXOmark ratings. One of the very few lenses where max aperture = t-stop value. 1.4 = 1.4. No lost color or tonality information. 100% of the light/information captured makes its way to the film/sensor.

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50/1.4 AF-D + Sigma Ultrawide II 24/2.8 AF macro (95% of the time I just use the 50, but bring the 24 along for the ride. The Sigma is cheap compared to the Nikon and it's just fine -- around the same output as the Nikon version, imo. No use sinking money in focal lenghts you don't use a lot. Good enough is good enough, plus it's tiny. Takes no space in the small bag I use.)

Nikon 35/2 AF-D + Nikon 85/1.8G (The "wedding photographer" combo. Great combo for events. The 35 gets diss'd sometimes. Not a world beater spec-wise compared to ultra-corrected [high element count, large, heavy, pricey] modern 35's. But go on 500px and see what people do with this lens... Smaller, lighter, cheaper...).

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Tokina 17-35/4 ATX Pro (Strictly a landscape lens and, imo, an overlooked gem. Working apertures 8 on up as sharp as the rest, smaller, lighter, much less expensive...)

Boom. Done. No more lenses -- I swear it!

I don't diss zoomers. Output is fine. But -to me- the bigger the kit, the more likely it is to set on the shelf. One zoom -- an ultrawide. But they don't count. All the lenses I regularly use are small except the ultrawide and the 85, which is light. Torn between the 85 D and the G. But they were fairly close in price (even used) and the G is sharper at 1.8, and being this is a portrait lens 1.8 is a working aperture -- so I went with the G.

Oh -- one last lens I forgot! The Helios 44-4 58/2. Bought this as a manual portrait lens for crop sensor Nikon because 58mm ~ 85mm on cropped sensor, and it's know for the "swirly bokeh" characteristic. Small, light. Though I have a FF portrait lens, I kept this around. It was modified/machined to focus to infinity without those nasty M42-Nikon adapters, and was also professionally fitted with a Dandilion AF confirmation chip, so it's effectively a manual-focus Nikon that can focus to infinity and talks to the camera. Probably one of the very few Helios 44-4's in the US you can use just fine on a Nikon. Fun lens, but thinking of selling it off.
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Based on my experience with my 18-55mm Nikon zoom, I knew that I preferred constant aperture zooms to variable aperture zooms. Therefore, when I was looking for a zoom to use when I did not want to carry my three Fuji prime lenses, I chose the 16-55mm f/2.8 Fujinon.


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One of the (several) reasons I like using Fuji cameras is the smaller size. The size and weight to quality and function ratio is pretty high. Big lenses weigh the system down for me, literally. I seldom use my 23/1.4 these days because of its size. I would love a 16mm but the Fuji 16/1.4 is never gonna happen for me because it's just too damn big. (Dear Fuji, call me when you introduce a 16mm f/2. I promise I'll answer the call.)

Both the 16/1.4 and the 56/1.2 are too large for me to consider. So for my purposes, the 16-55 is overkill deluxe.
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Based on my experience with my 18-55mm Nikon zoom, I knew that I preferred constant aperture zooms to variable aperture zooms. Therefore, when I was looking for a zoom to use when I did not want to carry my three Fuji prime lenses, I chose the 16-55mm f/2.8 Fujinon.
I note that it is not on your camera in the photo...
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While not sexy, why not the 18-55mm? It is lighter, faster, and still not huge compared to your 15-45mm. The 16-55mm is made for those coming from a DSLR and that are used to having this type of lens for work, etc. For those of us who use Fuji because it is the best compromise between price, size, and IQ, this lens generally is too large for us ultimately. Yes, I have used it and yes, it is very nice. Ultimately, I left it home though, so I went back to the 18-55m for when I need a zoom.
i had the 18-55 once upon a time...good lens but i really like a 16 as my wide...otherwise i would use (and sometimes do) the fuji 18 along with the 27...small, light easy to carry.
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I don't have the 16-55 but I believe that the 1.2/56 is one of the best Fuji lenses available.
it's a fantastic lens...when i carry it i usually also carry the 16...but lately the weight is getting to me.
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One of the (several) reasons I like using Fuji cameras is the smaller size. The size and weight to quality and function ratio is pretty high. Big lenses weigh the system down for me, literally. I seldom use my 23/1.4 these days because of its size. I would love a 16mm but the Fuji 16/1.4 is never gonna happen for me because it's just too damn big. (Dear Fuji, call me when you introduce a 16mm f/2. I promise I'll answer the call.)

Both the 16/1.4 and the 56/1.2 are too large for me to consider. So for my purposes, the 16-55 is overkill deluxe.
i also would like a 16/2 lens...maybe someday fuji will make one.
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i also would like a 16/2 lens...maybe someday fuji will make one.
Along with a 70mm F2.
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after much thought i have not made a decision...but i have made a partial decision!
the bottom line for me is that i don't use zooms well...too much to think about and i just get confused and miss shots.
part of my 'wants' is to lighten my load..my ideal kit for a walk around town or going on a great travel adventure is 2 bodies and 3 lenses...the third lens is for some creative backup. i also want to keep things as light as possible so that leaves out the 16/23/56 which is a near perfect kit except for the weight.
so i am now thinking about re-aquiring the lighter fuji 14...and mating to 23/2 and 50/2 lenses. all just thoughts for now...
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...my ideal kit for a walk around town or going on a great travel adventure is 2 bodies and 3 lenses...
Here is my lightweight prime Fuji travel kit:

Fuji X-Pro2 graphite (second body optional)
23mm f/2 graphite Fujinon auto focus
12mm f/2 Rokinon manual focus
55mm f/1.8 adapted Fujinon M42 screw mount manual focus lens with FotoDiox adapter (or 50mm f/2 Fujinon if I had one)


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Joe, I think you could pare this kit down even more... fuji 14 and the 35/2. I find that the 35/2 covers most street stuff easily, just take a couple of extra steps forward or back. I'm a believer of the idea that less gear actually forces one to become more involved in the whole photographic experience. But then I'm one of those guys that goes out almost exclusively with one body and one lens. It might a different lens each outing, but when I'm out there I don't want to be thinking about the gear.
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...so i am now thinking about re-aquiring the lighter fuji 14...and mating to 23/2 and 50/2 lenses. all just thoughts for now...
Back when I was shooting with a pair of Leica M6 bodies, I used 21mm, 35mm and 50mm lenses as my standard outfit. The 35 and 50 got the most use with the 21 only coming out for "special" occasions. I also had a 90mm but it was so seldom used it was like it wasn't there. I suppose I see things mostly in the "normal" range, therefore I use the more normal perspective lenses.

I can't say enough about how much I love the Fuji 14mm lens. It's certainly impressive, being tack sharp and distortion free. And it has that "special" look. It would pair well with your other lenses although I would agree with Jamie about the 35/2 instead of the 50mm (although the Fuji 50mm is another outstanding lens and its perspective is within what I consider the normal range).

You really can't go wrong no matter what. So many good lenses to choose from....
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more to think about...thanks guys for the different perspectives...
my f6 can easily hold xe3 with 14 and xe3 with 35 and the small 50 alone in the bag...and then either lens can be exchanged if the need/desire arises.
keeping my bigger lenses for when the mood strikes...it gets dark in these parts early in the winter so fast lenses can be very helpful as well.
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I love using manual focus prime lenses, especially on my Nikon Df camera. Unfortunately, when covering events, the changing of the primes, and having to go into the menu and change the non-CPU data for each lens when I swap them, just takes too much time. Have had to go back to the 24-70 on a regular DSLR for event coverage, which is not nearly as much fun, but I don't miss shots.

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i had the 18-55 once upon a time...good lens but i really like a 16 as my wide...otherwise i would use (and sometimes do) the fuji 18 along with the 27...small, light easy to carry.
Mind me asking if you know how wide the 15-45 is after corrections. Like you, I had the 18-55 but wanted 16. So I bought the 16-50. Only to find after corrections I got no more than 1/2mm improvement. Plus a crappy feel, poorer render and a slower lens. Repurchased 18-55, fortunately a better copy than the first.

I'm totally into light carries. Part of traveling 4-6 months a year. But my only exception to the rule is my 16. I don't care how much it weights, it's there. But I shoot low light, wide and close and that lens is the bee's knees for that.
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Mind me asking if you know how wide the 15-45 is after corrections. Like you, I had the 18-55 but wanted 16. So I bought the 16-50. Only to find after corrections I got no more than 1/2mm improvement. Plus a crappy feel, poorer render and a slower lens. Repurchased 18-55, fortunately a better copy than the first.

I'm totally into light carries. Part of traveling 4-6 months a year. But my only exception to the rule is my 16. I don't care how much it weights, it's there. But I shoot low light, wide and close and that lens is the bee's knees for that.
i'm not that technical...i don't think i have ever checked anything that closely.
i also used the 16-50 for the short end and was satisfied with the results but i did go for the 16 when it was released...i loved the 24 fov when shooting film.
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