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Old 12-19-2019   #41
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That's a gorgeous black S2 Erik, shame that they command absurd money now.
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Old 12-19-2019   #42
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This one has the Skopar S 50mm mounted, the best 50mm for the Nikon rangefinders.
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The S2 looks good in black - that's nice!
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Old 12-20-2019   #43
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The S2 is very much like the Nikon F, more than the other Nikon rangefinders.


What the S2 and F have in common :

- removable back design,
- film rewind crank,
- A/R shutter release,
- flash sync. post.

What the S3 & SP have in common with the F :

- shutter,
- auto reset frames counter,
- film length reminder at the frames counter,
- speeds dial,
- flash sync. post,
- flash sync. adjustment dial concentric to the speeds dial,
- longer film advance lever for the S3 and SP late models,
- selftimer,
- film rewind crank,
- A/R shutter release button.
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That's a gorgeous black S2 Erik, shame that they command absurd money now.
If I did want a Nikon rangefinder in black, which is the most common ? A quick eBay search suggests the S3 re-issue ?
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Old 12-20-2019   #45
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Lol ditto that. Twice!

It's now known that the Nikon F and Nikon SP were on the drawing board at the same time side by side, and the designers had instructions to use shared parts where possible to keep costs down. You could even go as far to say that the Nikon F is a Nikon SP with the finder unit removed and a mirror box jammed in there in its place.
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Old 12-20-2019   #46
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Yes, I know that the F and the SP have a lot in common, small parts and construction on the inside - everybody knows that - but I'm talking about the looks: the styling of the camera seen from the outside. The SP for instance has a top plate with rounded sides (rounded from the top to the sides) wile the S2 and F have sharp sides. The place of the logo on the SP is far left, but the S2 and the F have their logo in the middle. Also the black paint of the F in black is much more like the paint of the S2 in black. The SP black paint has an undercoat that becomes very ugly when used. The black paint on the S2 and the F gets more and more beautiful when used.


The S2 and the F seem to belong to the same family wile the SP and S3 look more as their cousins. I admit that this is a very subjective observation.


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(...) I'm talking about the looks: the styling of the camera seen from the outside.
Interesting about the top plate : Erik is right, the S3 and SP - even the original ones, not only the re-issues - have some rounded top plate edges while the S2 and F have sharp top plate edges. Is that enough to tell the S3 and SP not to be the real brothers of the Nikon F in the Nikon RF family ?

Nikon S3 and Nikon F seen from the outside : below, famous photo by Jonmanjiro :



Now below, photo of an S2 by Nico Van Dijk :



Those two pictures say it all IMO.

About the black paint : I have owned two black paint Nikon F bodies and what I could see under the worn paint at some places was the same yellow primer as the one used on the original black paint SP and S3.
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what I could see under the worn paint at some places was the same yellow primer as the one used on the original black paint SP and S3.

Not on mine, 7217839. Black paint right on the brass, just like on the S2 - and on my Nikkormat FTn.


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If I did want a Nikon rangefinder in black, which is the most common ? A quick eBay search suggests the S3 re-issue ?
I believe there were 2000 black S3 re-issues, and 2000 black SP re-issues. It is said that there were about 2000 of the 1964 S3 Olympic. I'm not sure how many S2's and SP's were made in black but they are very rare and expensive. There is also the S3M in black (even rarer and more expensive), and there may be a handful of S's and S4's that left the factory in black but I haven't seen confirmation of this? I'm sure someone knows more about this than me ;-)

The S3 black re-issue is probably the most common one for sale today. There are also a lot of S2 repaints, and in my opinion they can look very nice if done properly. I just bought a S3 black re-issue and couldn't be happier...
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Erik is right, the S3 and SP - even the original ones, not only the re-issues - have some rounded top plate edges while the S2 and F have sharp top plate edges. Is that enough to tell the S3 and SP not to be the real brothers of the Nikon F in the Nikon RF family?
Because of the rounded edges the Nikon SP and S3 have a "fat" look, maybe that is just what I wanted to say. They must loose some weight.

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Because of the rounded edges the Nikon SP and S3 have a "fat" look, maybe that is just what I wanted to say. They must lose some weight.

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Fat? No, merely more curvaceous.
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Because of the rounded edges the Nikon SP and S3 have a "fat" look, maybe that is just what I wanted to say. They must loose some weight.
The pretty German girl below doesn't look fat although she wasn't using a black S2. The touchy Italian guy in the background doesn't seem to enjoy that bad taste evidence.




Photo by Sanford Roth, 1960.
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This is a pretty girl. Russian, I think.

Nikon S2/All black Nikkor 50mm f/1.4

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Fat? No, merely more curvaceous.
Yes, but this is an S2!

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The Girl with the black S2 would be a beautiful Austrian Girl Romy Schneider. Some prefer more curves the S3 looks like much more modern than the S2 and is also a bit easier to use imo.
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This is a pretty girl. Russian, I think.
Nope. This is Romy Schneider, as Dominik found it out. The man in the background is Luchino Visconti.
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The Girl with the black S2 would be a beautiful Austrian Girl Romy Schneider. Some prefer more curves the S3 looks like much more modern than the S2 and is also a bit easier to use imo.
Easier to use unless u are using a 50mm lens.
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The S3 black re-issue is probably the most common one for sale today. There are also a lot of S2 repaints, and in my opinion they can look very nice if done properly. I just bought a S3 black re-issue and couldn't be happier...
Yep there is a vendor on ebay who has some really nice repaints. Apparently they have also been serviced.
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Thank you, Huss!


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My S2 and black 1.4 are at the repairman. Finally got tired of the creaky focusing noise and the 1/30th and below being finicky.
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