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Old 12-19-2019   #41
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That's a gorgeous black S2 Erik, shame that they command absurd money now.
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Old 12-19-2019   #42
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This one has the Skopar S 50mm mounted, the best 50mm for the Nikon rangefinders.
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The S2 looks good in black - that's nice!
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Old 12-19-2019   #43
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The S2 is very much like the Nikon F, more than the other Nikon rangefinders.


What the S2 and F have in common :

- removable back design,
- film rewind crank,
- A/R shutter release,
- flash sync. post.

What the S3 & SP have in common with the F :

- shutter,
- auto reset frames counter,
- film length reminder at the frames counter,
- speeds dial,
- flash sync. post,
- flash sync. adjustment dial concentric to the speeds dial,
- longer film advance lever for the S3 and SP late models,
- selftimer,
- film rewind crank,
- A/R shutter release button.
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That's a gorgeous black S2 Erik, shame that they command absurd money now.
If I did want a Nikon rangefinder in black, which is the most common ? A quick eBay search suggests the S3 re-issue ?
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Old 12-19-2019   #45
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Lol ditto that. Twice!

It's now known that the Nikon F and Nikon SP were on the drawing board at the same time side by side, and the designers had instructions to use shared parts where possible to keep costs down. You could even go as far to say that the Nikon F is a Nikon SP with the finder unit removed and a mirror box jammed in there in its place.
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Old 12-20-2019   #46
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Yes, I know that the F and the SP have a lot in common, small parts and construction on the inside - everybody knows that - but I'm talking about the looks: the styling of the camera seen from the outside. The SP for instance has a top plate with rounded sides (rounded from the top to the sides) wile the S2 and F have sharp sides. The place of the logo on the SP is far left, but the S2 and the F have their logo in the middle. Also the black paint of the F in black is much more like the paint of the S2 in black. The SP black paint has an undercoat that becomes very ugly when used. The black paint on the S2 and the F gets more and more beautiful when used.


The S2 and the F seem to belong to the same family wile the SP and S3 look more as their cousins. I admit that this is a very subjective observation.


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(...) I'm talking about the looks: the styling of the camera seen from the outside.
Interesting about the top plate : Erik is right, the S3 and SP - even the original ones, not only the re-issues - have some rounded top plate edges while the S2 and F have sharp top plate edges. Is that enough to tell the S3 and SP not to be the real brothers of the Nikon F in the Nikon RF family ?

Nikon S3 and Nikon F seen from the outside : below, famous photo by Jonmanjiro :



Now below, photo of an S2 by Nico Van Dijk :



Those two pictures say it all IMO.

About the black paint : I have owned two black paint Nikon F bodies and what I could see under the worn paint at some places was the same yellow primer as the one used on the original black paint SP and S3.
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what I could see under the worn paint at some places was the same yellow primer as the one used on the original black paint SP and S3.

Not on mine, 7217839. Black paint right on the brass, just like on the S2 - and on my Nikkormat FTn.


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If I did want a Nikon rangefinder in black, which is the most common ? A quick eBay search suggests the S3 re-issue ?
I believe there were 2000 black S3 re-issues, and 2000 black SP re-issues. It is said that there were about 2000 of the 1964 S3 Olympic. I'm not sure how many S2's and SP's were made in black but they are very rare and expensive. There is also the S3M in black (even rarer and more expensive), and there may be a handful of S's and S4's that left the factory in black but I haven't seen confirmation of this? I'm sure someone knows more about this than me ;-)

The S3 black re-issue is probably the most common one for sale today. There are also a lot of S2 repaints, and in my opinion they can look very nice if done properly. I just bought a S3 black re-issue and couldn't be happier...
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Erik is right, the S3 and SP - even the original ones, not only the re-issues - have some rounded top plate edges while the S2 and F have sharp top plate edges. Is that enough to tell the S3 and SP not to be the real brothers of the Nikon F in the Nikon RF family?
Because of the rounded edges the Nikon SP and S3 have a "fat" look, maybe that is just what I wanted to say. They must loose some weight.

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Because of the rounded edges the Nikon SP and S3 have a "fat" look, maybe that is just what I wanted to say. They must lose some weight.

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Fat? No, merely more curvaceous.
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Because of the rounded edges the Nikon SP and S3 have a "fat" look, maybe that is just what I wanted to say. They must loose some weight.
The pretty German girl below doesn't look fat although she wasn't using a black S2. The touchy Italian guy in the background doesn't seem to enjoy that bad taste evidence.




Photo by Sanford Roth, 1960.
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This is a pretty girl. German, I think.

Nikon S2/All black Nikkor 50mm f/1.4/TMY400-2/AdoxMCC110.

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Fat? No, merely more curvaceous.
Yes, but this is an S2!

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The Girl with the black S2 would be a beautiful Austrian Girl Romy Schneider. Some prefer more curves the S3 looks like much more modern than the S2 and is also a bit easier to use imo.
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This is a pretty girl. Russian, I think.
Nope. This is Romy Schneider, as Dominik found it out. The man in the background is Luchino Visconti.
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The Girl with the black S2 would be a beautiful Austrian Girl Romy Schneider. Some prefer more curves the S3 looks like much more modern than the S2 and is also a bit easier to use imo.
Easier to use unless u are using a 50mm lens.
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The S3 black re-issue is probably the most common one for sale today. There are also a lot of S2 repaints, and in my opinion they can look very nice if done properly. I just bought a S3 black re-issue and couldn't be happier...
Yep there is a vendor on ebay who has some really nice repaints. Apparently they have also been serviced.
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My S2 and black 1.4 are at the repairman. Finally got tired of the creaky focusing noise and the 1/30th and below being finicky.
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Nicolas, here, in The Netherlands, your pictures do not show up. I get a message from "Google Safe Browsing" instead:

"tripod484.free.fr is gerapporteerd als een website die kwaadwillende software bevat. U kunt een detectieprobleem rapporteren of het risico negeren en deze onveilige website bezoeken."

"tripod484.free.fr has been reported as a website that contains malicious software. You can report a detection problem or ignore the risk and visit this unsafe website."

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nikon s2 s3 sp

over the last 47 years since I started shooting rangefinder cameras

I have found the s2 my companion , it was with me when I hitchhiked across many states in 1980

if you wear glasses the s3 is not as nice ,

although with the s2 there is only one reflected bright line 50mm,and there are no parrelex marks -- you have to think more about frameing -however the rf spot is very bright and all the lenses are about as great as you need for film .

in the end the lens focuses on the film , the camera is just a box that exposes the film for the correct time .

the film doesn't know if the camera is black or chrome -- the film doesn't know if the lens is a rare type

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Thank you, Pan!

I agree with enasniearth that the S2 is the nicest of the Nikon rangefinders, but although the film does not see if the camera is black or chrome, I prefer black.

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For the sake of argument, the Nikon S4 is the true improved S2:

-keeps the manual film counter, lack of self timer
-improved shutter speed dial and auto flash sync
-50mm brightlines with added 105mm marks - and parallax notches for both - more useful than the S2 but less busy than the S3
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Thank you, Pan!

I agree with enasniearth that the S2 is the nicest of the Nikon rangefinders, but although the film does not see if the camera is black or chrome, I prefer black.

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I do love the original black paint cameras however they are beyond the means of most folks ,
I think if we are going to pass on the enthusiasm we have had for the nikon rangefinders it doesn't matter what one shoots film with , only that it is a nikon
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Nicolas, here, in The Netherlands your pictures do not show up. I get a message from "Google Safe Browsing" instead:

"tripod484.free.fr is gerapporteerd als een website die kwaadwillende software bevat. U kunt een detectieprobleem rapporteren of het risico negeren en deze onveilige website bezoeken."

"tripod484.free.fr has been reported as a website that contains malicious software. You can report a detection problem or ignore the risk and visit this unsafe website."

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This is a hoax, happens randomly. This webpage directory in which my pictures are hosted and linked to is a personal folder I am the only person to have some rights on and it is with no embedded software at all. It just cannot contain anything malicious. There are image files I uploaded myself in it only.

If you use Firefox to read this thread instead of a Google-made browser (i.e., Chrome) then you should see the photos.
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I always use Firefox! But no photos from you, unfortunately. But if I click on the "broken link symbol" the message comes from Google, apparently. How this is possible, don't ask me.

Can't you load them up with Flickr?

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I always use Firefox. This is the message I get: tripod484.free.fr is gerapporteerd als een website die kwaadwillende software bevat. U kunt een detectieprobleem rapporteren of het risico negeren en deze onveilige website bezoeken.

Lees meer over schadelijke webinhoud, waaronder virussen en andere malware, en het beschermen van uw computer op StopBadware.org. Lees meer over bescherming tegen phishing en malware van Firefox op support.mozilla.org.

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tripod484.free.fr has been reported as a website that contains malicious software. You can report a detection problem or ignore the risk and visit this unsafe website.

"Read more about harmful web content, including viruses and other malware, and protecting your computer at StopBadware.org. Read more about protection against phishing and malware from Firefox at support.mozilla.org."


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I can see the linked images but when loading the url directly in a browser I get the warning.
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Using Firefox, Highway 61 photos show for me only as a small broken icon while those from most other users are fine. When looking at the same thread using Apple Safari, the photos show correctly in the thread. A puzzle.
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"Read more about harmful web content, including viruses and other malware, and protecting your computer at StopBadware.org. Read more about protection against phishing and malware from Firefox at support.mozilla.org."
A few second thoughts about this boring little problem.

At the end of the day, Firefox (depending on its version and how it's been setup) may display this indeed and not only in The Netherlands, true (see below). But this is Google which initially blacklists the webpage at which is hosted my personal folder "tripod484.free.fr/rff" and reports it to the StopBadware.org servers.

This is typical of a false-true positive to malicious webdata etc.
The "tripod484" data storage-sharing space was created by me long ago. Why this name ? Because at that time my Gitzo tripod was in front of me. And the 484 number has to do with personal events of mine. That's it. In the "/rff" folder are hosted photos, drawings and repair manuals I used to share with RFFers since my registration here. Nothing else and no software whatsoever. I upload my personal data there using an FTP software I am the only one to use, there is a password to do the uploads and this is done from an immune personal machine using a securized personal Internet connection.

I guess the "free.fr" domain name server may now be blacklisted by Google because it's a domain name server, provided to individuals who use it to store and share some data online, by an independent Internet provider not being keen to get under control of one of the big GAFA whatsoever.

This is probably to force people to use controlled solutions like FB, Google Drive, SmugMug, Pinterest, Instagram etc.

My Flickr account has reached its 1,000 photos limit and so far I leave it as it is. I could open another John Doe account for sure, just for the sake of getting some BBCode links to post photos here, but is it really worth it ?

I have a smartphone working with Android (on which this thread displays without any problem, my photos included - go figure) so I have a Google Drive account. I can think of using this storage-sharing space to share photos here at the RFF if this dumb problem lasts.

Like Doug said, if you stay a bit farer from any Google thing (using a 100% Apple background for instance) for browsing, no problem then. Some friends of mine using an iPad tell me they can see the photos with no hassle.

With Firefox, if you are brave enough to unmark the box "Block the harmful websites" in the "Security" paragraph of the "Private life and security" options menu for a while, you will realize that my photos display in this thread instantly, instead of the "broken link" small icons. Those are 864x664 "saved for the web" jpeg files weighting less than 300KB each, which cannot corrupt anything.

Well, I now have reported a "false-true positive" to Google through the Firefox form (not too sure whether it will work, or not).

Addendum : Erik's photo at post #66 is a gem actually.
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Thank you, Nicolas!

I'm hoping that you will use your Google Drive account. Would love to see your pictures here.

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